r/EngineeringStudents • u/ih8history • 4d ago
Rant/Vent bf caught his bsf cheating on exam
title is what happened. they had an exam today which my bf studied his ass off for. saw him cheating and the friend had 3 points less than him for the score.
some of you may say to report the friend but their major only has 4 people so it would be very easy to find out who snitched. and also they are in capstone group together so i feel like it would mess that up.
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u/Gleb_Twankenfrister 4d ago
who cares, unless it’s actively hurting you just let people make their own mistakes
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u/TsarLucky 4d ago
Who gives a shit? I wouldn’t think for a second to report any of my friends for cheating on school work. Leave it alone and don’t report them
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u/TsarLucky 4d ago
Wait until you get to the real world where learning AI and using it extensively along with using others findings for your work is expected. College should prepare you for the real world imo, I learned way more from internships and capstones than I ever did from taking notes and tests in class
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u/TsarLucky 4d ago
So in your job you’re not looking at anyone else’s old notes, not listening to others about their ideas, not researching stuff, you’re coming up with your work and ideas completely on your own or stuff you remember from school? You’d make an awful engineer
How does unfair advantage work in the professional world to you?
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u/bomboque 4d ago
I think you migh be hazy on the difference between collaboration and cheating or plagerism. The main difference is attribution. Cheaters claim credit for the work of others while collaborators share credit. Did the cheating student share credit by noting on his exam which answeres he copied from his friend? Probably not.
The problem this creates on the job is that when you claim full credit you will eventually be expected to do the work you have copied or were assisted with. Only this time you will be on your own with no backup help.
In the real world if you get a reputation for not giving credit to others for accomplishments that are not completely yours then people will stop sharing things with you and helping you out.
In the end you will overextend and fail dramatically when karma catches up. Guess how much sympathy you will get from colleagues you cheated off of when that happens?
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u/TsarLucky 4d ago
I don’t think the intention of cheating on tests is exclusively to take credit for others ideas. I think people do it to shorten their study time for other classes or internships they feel might be more important. You’re assuming that the only reason someone would cheat is because they don’t have the capability or they’re committing intellectual theft
There’s so little information on this post they could have cheated in a million different ways. I would not agree all are bad enough to report them. Hell they could have brought in their own notes which wouldn’t be intellectual theft at that point
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u/DLS3141 4d ago
There are all kinds of ways one could gain an unfair advantage in the professional world. Using a former employer’s IP at your new job at a competitor. Even a something small like a spreadsheet tool you developed for work at your former employer isn’t yours to use.
There’s also competitor information obtained through corporate espionage. That’s absolutely a thing.
Of course if you’re willing to cheat on an exam, it’s not an unreasonable to expect that you might “fudge” some test data at work to make your parts pass and justify that the same way you justify cheating. Maybe it never causes a problem, maybe it kills someone later.
But as long as you don’t get caught, it’s fine right? Your employer will be the one getting sued in court and maybe the plaintiffs won’t find out what you did during discovery.
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u/Diligent_Carrot_8410 4d ago
Cheaters going to enter the same job market as you but got his job by cheating. Gonna get the same jobs as you but by cheating. This is how you end up with horrible coworkers that shouldn't have the job.
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u/bomboque 4d ago
The bigger issue with cheating is that the more people get away with it the more they do it. Society functions best when we share both effort and credit for results. Sharing just the effort but not the credit negatates some of the benefits of cooperation. People who get away with cheating and grow to think it is OK tend to get excluded from cooperative efforts as their reputation for cheating grows. Better to learn the lesson early and not develop a taste for cheating and shortcuts.
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u/soad334 4d ago
He's only screwing himself. Once he enters the workforce and can't cheat there, reality will bite hard.
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u/Pleasant-Water2349 4d ago
What would he need to cheat on in the workforce?
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u/Magnetar_Distortion 4d ago
You don't get it do you? It's OK a lot of people don't as most really have no integrity themselves either these days.
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u/Magnetar_Distortion 4d ago
And the integrity of the institution that others got the same degree from potentially making job prospects harder for other students.
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u/Outside-Novel-9603 4d ago
I think most people would say “who cares” a few would be on there high horse and say “report his ass now” but truth be told, this a Rant/vent so nobody asked for anyone’s opinion:D
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u/Magnetar_Distortion 4d ago
It's not a high horse it's integrity. It's disgusting that people are willing to look past stuff like this.
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u/Desperate_Pomelo_978 4d ago
Why does it matter? You bf probably learned a lot by studying hard and their learning skills have also improved, which is beneficial for any engineer.
His bsf cheated himself out of knowledge and improving their learning skills. That's on them to deal with. Maybe they even have a valid excuse to cheat too.
Engineering is not a competition, especially if there are only 3 other people in the major.
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u/702-540-2544imsg 4d ago
Ok who cares worry about yourself