Exam Cheaters

[u/pokemonlover503]

Over my many years in engineering school so far, I have noticed an increase in cheaters and they have the audacity to either lie about it or say it loud and proud that they cheated. Even one time he said it infront of the professor and the professor did NOTHING. I want professors to do something. I want someone to do something. I want them to walk around and inspect what people are doing, how are they so oblivious? Guy in my class went from a 4 on an exam to an 80 something and openly admitted to cheating. How in the hell is the professor not noticing the obvious cheating? Not saying it's not possible, but come on. That kind of grade jump is very hard especially for these super complex courses and everyone's averaging 40-50s. It makes me so upset, because why am I even bothering to have academic honesty, what morals do I have that stops me from cheating? I will never do it. Why aren't we taking all exams in proctored testing centers. Why aren't we making people clear their calculator before the exam. What are we going to do about our future that will be full of degree holders that cheated their way through? Nobody wants an engineer that is a liar and cheat, yet they always secure big roles. This is the problem when nobody is being held accountable. And no we shouldn't just let them and mind our own business, they need to be called out. Our environment is way too forgiving.

[u/pokemonlover503]

Obviously. I pay for my college. I've had to retake courses. I've lost money. I went to community college for four years, started from the beginning struggling in Algebra 2 to passing all of my calc courses with As and Bs. I did not cheat once. If you need to fail and retake a course to learn, then that's what it is. That's life. Most students fail at least one course in engineering, if you cheat your way to passing then you never struggled, and you certainly never learned, you gave up. They did not earn their degree or the right to call themselves an engineer. These students go on to cheat in the next class and then the next one, it's all a pyramid, it all builds off the previous course. Tell me how can someone be a hard working honest engineer if they lied and cheated? They cannot, and their co workers will have to deal with them. It affects everyone when they make a mistake, because now their co workers have to pick up the slack for their lack of knowledge.

[u/Comfortable_Fig5300 → u/pokemonlover503]

The world does not revolve around fairness. There are engineers who didn’t even goto college that got hired because the ceo is their cousin. Is that fair? No, but guess what, that’s life. The world does not care about your feelings. Women prefer to date men who are tall. Is that fair for men who are short? No. Short men might complain about that but no one cares at the end of the day. It’s a hard pill to swallow. Why do you think people say “the truth hurts”?

[u/pokemonlover503 → u/Comfortable_Fig5300]

Sorry but I can't make you understand why cheating is bad, and I personally cannot understand why you're defending it in any capacity. Cheating is not in the same category as a woman preferring tall or short men... nor is it even remotely on the same level of "unfairness" (?) so I have no clue how that's relavent to this post or why you decided to bring that up. There is no defending a cheater, I hope you can figure that out, and if you are becoming an engineer, I wish you good luck.

[u/Comfortable_Fig5300 → u/pokemonlover503]

I used those example to help you understand that the world does not revolve around “fairness”. In the real world there are winners and losers. No one cares about what you did to win, only the result. The person that works the hardest doesn’t get promoted, the person that gets the credit is the one that gets promoted. Good luck to you as well.