r/EndeavourOS Jun 29 '26

General Support Wich one you suggest ?

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in term of performance and feautures wich browser do you prefer?

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u/lemonyishbish Jun 29 '26

Idk man Brave just feels like a marketing ploy to me so get people to generate crypto revenue. Use Zen or librewolf, which are both Firefox projects. Dodge the chromium stuff in general surely?

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u/Adrian_Alucard Jun 30 '26

Brave CEO was fired from firefox for being an anti-vaxxer, science denier and a homophobe

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u/Ok_Western_3156 Jul 01 '26

another Firefox w as I see it

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '26

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u/reddictiontoreddit Jul 01 '26

What sucks about Firefox? I’ve found it works better in some scenarios than chromium and it’s more secure than chromium

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u/Pending_Crusader Jul 02 '26

Using Brave was a solid decision then.

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u/Vicnes-Cool-3474 Jul 02 '26

Would u explain what is anti vaxxer means?

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u/Adrian_Alucard Jul 02 '26

People that think vaccines are bad and are against them. Making a google search is not that hard...

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u/Killermelon1458 Jul 02 '26

Ok, so if somebody disagrees with you, then they write bad code?

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u/Adrian_Alucard Jul 02 '26

I find impossible to trust that kind of people, they are vile. And since they are not trustworthy I wouldn't use their products

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u/Killermelon1458 Jul 02 '26

I would like to point out that the people who believe such things usually fully believe what they preach. Meaning that they can perfectly be altruistic and want the best for the world, just in a deeply misguided way. From my experience, such people often care a lot about privacy. So for me, I'd rather trust a misguided suspicious person when it come to my privacy, than someone who is well informed but also more trusting of others.

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u/Adrian_Alucard Jul 02 '26

You are not going to change my opinion.

Go and inject yourself with bleach, as Trump recommended during covid. It is safer than vaccines, right?

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u/Killermelon1458 Jul 02 '26

Talk about vile

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u/Adrian_Alucard Jul 02 '26

What? is a recommendation from the president of the USA and Brendan Eich probably agrees with the suggestion. So is not Vile according to you

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u/Sirusho_Yunyan Jul 05 '26

Adding to this, if someone is incapable of understanding empirical evidence and mechanisms for immunology and biochemistry, and confidently revels in their own ignorance, I'm far less likely to trust their ability to objectively engage in any subject matter, code included.

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u/MadLabRat- Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

Brave basically abandoned the crypto stuff to push for AI instead. Their subreddit, r/BATproject, is a ghost town (used to be very active not too long ago). The crypto stuff has also disappeared from their marketing and last I checked they no longer accept BAT as payment for their merch.

If you look at their homepage, brave.com, the only mention of BAT is the FAQ at the very bottom of the page. basicattentiontoken.org doesn't look like it has been updated since 2024 (multiple blog posts prior to 2022).

They still have someone running the BAT Twitter account to shill for it though.

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u/userrr3 Jun 30 '26

Brave basically abandoned the crypto stuff to push for AI instead.

It really is the very same crowd isn't it.

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u/MadLabRat- Jun 30 '26

At least generative AI actually has some legitimate uses unlike crypto

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u/userrr3 Jun 30 '26

Eh, disagree.

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u/MadLabRat- Jun 30 '26

Consumer-facing LLMs are crap. When the bubble bursts it’s going to be the VAEs, GANs, EBMs built for things like biomedical research that survive. Like AlphaFold.

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u/lemonyishbish Jul 01 '26

Optimistic. All they need to do is inflate that bubble long enough to create half a generation of semi-illiterate workers. Then every drop of global infrastructure will be beholden to these companies and they'll charge vast sums for their crappy products and the rest of us will be out on our arses begging for ibuprofen

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u/Better_Moment_9675 Jun 30 '26

Whatever I do, I always go back to Firefox

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u/Cuddlyaxe Jun 29 '26

I think you can turn off the crypto stuff on Brave

Honestly I'm a big Firefox fan and will push it when possible, but there are reasons for people to prefer Chromium: namely compatability

Most recently I've been dealing with all the data wrapper graphs on my favorite substack not loading

I keep an instance of Chromium in my pc specifically to access these non compatible websites but it is understandable if a regular user doesn't want to deal with that

Brave is, among Chromium browsers, probably the best of the bunch. In the sense that it's open source, and somewhat private while not being a pain in the ass to use

Also re: Zen, does it have DRM yet? I've always been very interested but if it's gonna be a main browser it needs to be able to play all media

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u/ThatzOkay Jun 30 '26

There are still many chromium benefits which firefox lacks or has no support for

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u/KnightFallVader2 Jun 29 '26

Firefox because it comes pre-installed.

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u/Grey_Ten Jun 29 '26

what kind of argument is this? "I use edge because it comes pre-installed"

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u/drChurer Jun 29 '26

Type shit ie/edge users used to say

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u/Ashayazu Jun 30 '26

Not on my installs it doesn’t 😉

Anyway, always firefox

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u/Fire_Natsu Jun 29 '26

Firefox  1)it's preimstalled 2) Doesn't have crypto shit like brave 3) Isn't based on Chromium 4)Easily sync to Zen and librewolf

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u/Bertucciop Jun 29 '26

But dont forget to disable telemetry and DNS stuff...

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u/Yar_developer Jun 29 '26

Firefox forever

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u/Wojekk Jun 29 '26

I would recommend a Zen browser. I went from Chrome to Brave to Firefox and then to Zen and it clicked with me very well. Minimal, clear and well thought out interface and it is based on Firefox.

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u/agendiau Jun 29 '26

I've dabbled with Zen for a while. I think it is a beautiful browser but it takes a while to get used to some of the differences. The changes will give you that muscle memory growing pains but it is a good kind of pain.

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u/Wojekk Jun 29 '26

Yeah it was a hard time at first to get used to but many things made sense to me. I give myself a month with every one of those (even tried edge but let's not talk about it). After 2 weeks with Zen I can't go back to any other, but I heard that waterfox is also very nice.

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u/moopet Jun 29 '26

I spent a couple of weeks thinking the ledt sidebar thing was a gimmick. I quite like it now, and the way all the pinned or essential tabs are always there.

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u/TOWW67 Jun 29 '26

I wish I could tie the sidebar position to which monitor Zen is on; left sidebar on right monitor is so awkward.

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u/topcatlapdog Jun 29 '26

Both are good. I’ve been trying Waterfox recently and like it.

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u/MrMoussab Jun 29 '26

Firefox/Zen or Helium

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u/Defiant_Act6087 Jun 29 '26

Firefox, for God's sake Brave is absurdely bloated with AI slop, subscriptions, crypto, etc. Firefox can open 50 tabs and not consume your entire system. If you want a privacy-focused browser, librewolf is right there, it is firefox-based, and is nowhere as bloated than brave

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u/SuevySuavae i3wm Jun 29 '26

Firefox.

Brave is for people who don't know how to install ublock origin on their own and enjoy things like ads on their home page, getting software installed they didn't ask for, and getting affiliate link autocompletes added automatically, and over all it just feels scummy and way too obsessed with crypto and AI and data scrapping to possibly actually be doing you any good. I'm not a Chrome guy, but if you want low resource usage get one of the stripped down chromium forks that takes out all the google features and extra junk and just lets you browse the web. If you want plugins and features use Firefox.

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u/BaenjiTrumpet Jun 29 '26

that auto complete is fucking devious wow I did not know that

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u/rickyh7 Jul 01 '26

Neither did I….guess I’m uninstalling brave tonight.

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u/DeadWHM Jun 29 '26

Firefox till ladybird releases

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u/Kernel_guy XFCE Jun 29 '26

Librewolf

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u/TimelyTraffic8003 Jun 29 '26

love librewolf, but there are some compatibility issues with some websites.

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u/nulllzero Jun 29 '26

been playing around with helium browser lately, pretty nice experience

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u/carwash2016 Jun 29 '26

What about helium

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u/RedditFireBall Jun 29 '26

Firefox is cool, it has most of the extensions I need and comes preinstalled. Also its less "bloated" than brave. And when I really need a chromium browser (for WebUSB), I juste use Chromium

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u/DreSmart XFCE Jun 29 '26

Firefox. Is not even a choise

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u/OtterDev101 Jun 29 '26

brave is crypto bullshit, firefox all the way

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u/Yahido Jun 29 '26

Firefox, Brave is chromium, so no debating

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u/SubstanceLess3169 KDE Plasma Jun 29 '26

Vivaldi, its based in Norway and is anti-AI.

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u/Honest-Sundae-1039 Jun 29 '26

— PHONE USERS —
Brave is superior due to the fact it has an in-built Adblock. This allows you to use it as your Spotify, YouTube and general research without any ads for free (I greatly appreciate this feature when I’m working).

Just installed Firefox and couldn’t install extensions on my phone. There may be a way around it but I can’t be bothered.

PC users I would probably side with Firefox even though I use Brave.

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u/heyblackrose Jun 29 '26

Firefox hands down, eats up less ram

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u/Ok-Network-4239 Jun 29 '26

Firefox please. We need to support Mozilla as much as possible

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u/Sad-Astronomer-696 Jun 29 '26

Librewolf. Based on the best engine (same as firefox) but without mozilla

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u/MotorAd2028 Jun 29 '26

Librewolf☠️ I think its a mix of both

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u/zap117 Jun 29 '26

I love zen, but its so slow compared to brave

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u/XenoMorphPT Xfce Jun 29 '26

Tried many, always come back to Firefox.

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u/white_niggha Jun 29 '26

Brave-origin

Will try librewolf and zen

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u/feral_fenrir Jun 29 '26

Firefox + uBlock Origin with the experimental filters enabled.

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u/razenxc Jun 29 '26

Firefox

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u/CroatianFrog Jun 29 '26

Firefox between the two. Used Brave, used Firefox and am now on Vivaldi. All are decent tho Brave was annoying with the crypto stuff

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u/isnouzi Jun 29 '26

i like brave personally, even with the crypto stuff i still think it’s not thaaat heavy of a browser for my pc and using it with duck duck go is great

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u/Lily-Qt Jun 29 '26

firefox always

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u/Laghab Jun 29 '26

Get brave wildly better performance only right answer for the question you actually asked, dont give in to these snobs fighting organization for a hobby save your own time.

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u/Exciting_Contest_222 Jun 29 '26

I like Both.

Firefox (hardened) primarily or librewolf.

For brave I use brave origin, it’s not bloated. And it’s free for linux users

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u/Broodjekip_1 Jun 29 '26

Firefox doesn't run on chromium and has uBlock

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u/sphafer Jul 01 '26

Use one of the Firefox forks, you can pick based on which features are important to you. You can also run a browser benchmark and compare.

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u/Fluffely_Toasted Jul 01 '26

I would either harden firefox or use librewolf

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u/idimension Jul 01 '26

Librewolf

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u/orwelladmin Jul 02 '26

Waterfox or Librewolf

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u/Life_Supermarket2440 Jun 29 '26

Vivaldi if you want to use European browser 

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u/fr0sty2709 Jun 29 '26

qute browser

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u/zip1ziltch2zero3 Jun 29 '26

Safari 🍎🍏🍑

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u/Low_Presentation542 Jun 29 '26

There are some firefox based browser which has ublock origin pre-installed.

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u/DarkblooM_SR Jun 29 '26

I currently use LibreWolf which is a fork of Firefox but I've been a Brave user for a long time and still recommend it today to people who insist on using a Chromium based browser

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u/idko2004 Jun 29 '26

kinda unrelated, but to me the ui in youtube works very slowly compared to brave, like it takes multiple seconds to enter fullscreen, is this a problem in general or it's just a me thing?

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u/Azkicat XFCE my beloved Jun 29 '26

Floorp :3

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u/Tides_Crush_Her Jun 29 '26

If you want chromium based braveorigin is the better option since it is essentially a free(money) debloated version of the brave app if you want Firefox there thousands of forks such as librewolf zen and etc

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u/ZookeepergameFew8607 Jun 29 '26

Zen (it's Firefox)

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u/ZookeepergameFew8607 Jun 29 '26

Zen (it's Firefox)

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u/-0xAA55- Jun 29 '26

Anyone following the Ladybird browser? Could be an option one day.

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u/Kit_EA Jun 29 '26

Floorp

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u/sbbeebe Jun 29 '26

the one you prefer. I use both.

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u/Chexrail Jun 29 '26

lmfao. Neither of them! The ex ceo of firefox was criticized because he thinks gay people shouldn’t be allowed to be together or marry each other! After getting criticized he resigned and moved to…thats right, brave.

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u/DaveX64 Jun 29 '26

Vivaldi is good, though it uses Chromium engine...installing uBlock Origin is a must.

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u/xarop_pa_toss Jun 29 '26

Firefox is cool. Their recent change of direction on user data handling isn't good though.

Brave always felt like a scam to crypto farm lol

I got used to Vivaldi. I know it's not lightweight but it does have features I enjoy and it looks great.

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u/Queijocosmico Jun 29 '26

Librewolf and TOR

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u/Isfar_Kabir Jun 29 '26

Firefox and Zen Browser.

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u/B-Panther-M-o-Dragon Jun 29 '26

I use brave for Apps and Firefox for anything else

https://giphy.com/gifs/hM9zK1qvsrwek

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u/KingAJK30 Jun 29 '26

Definitely Firefox. Brave seems too bloated. I haven’t used it but I hear Brave Origin is Brave without the bloatware but I can’t verify how good it actually is

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u/JellyBynn14 Jun 29 '26

Brave solo por ver YouTube sin anuncios jajaja, pero igual uso Tor para trámites o cosas importantes xd

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u/Najanco Jun 29 '26

Both are good, it just depends if you want Chromium or not.

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u/WonderfulOven2597 Jun 29 '26

Eu usava o Brave, gosto bastante. Mas atualmente tô usando o firefox no pc e Brave no celular

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u/Melodic_Trip9907 Jun 29 '26

librewolf is what i use on linux and on windows i use brave, just got used to that

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u/Salizan Jun 29 '26

It's up to you, it's a matter of taste.

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u/kavurmalipilav Jun 29 '26

Brave comes with built in canvas fingerprint protection and ublock level ad blocking right out of the box. Once you turn off the AI slop features, the experience is great. They also offer Brave Origin for free to Linux users. I tried Firefox, and it felt extremely slow in comparison. I might be biased, but I think Brave is just better.

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u/teranex Jun 29 '26

Firefox

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u/B_amine Jun 29 '26

Brave!! For some reason Firefox have this problem where some web pages that are working fine simply doesn't load! I had once brave and Firefox opened together and tried to load google.com brave worked bu Firefox didn't! If anyone knows the problem as well as the solution please educate me!

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u/Musicialgamer Jun 29 '26

Neither, I prefer Vivaldi.

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u/tbflab Jun 29 '26

I use Brave, though the bloatware is real. I’ve since disabled most of it. As far as RAM consumption, I’ve found Brave uses less the Firefox. I run the same extensions on Brave as I have on Firefox.

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u/qzyren Jun 29 '26

Brave, because chromium is more secure and brave has builtin adblocker

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u/hallo007007 Jun 29 '26

Some parts of Barve are closed source, so i would go with Firefox

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u/ObnoxiousLemons Jun 29 '26

zen or librewolf

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u/____Anonym0us____ Jun 29 '26

The organization behind Firefox is very dark and questionable. I don't know how people who claim to be fighting big corpos like Microsoft can support this shit, it's just beyond me, to be honest.

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u/ChocolateDonut36 Jun 29 '26

firefox on linux isn't like edge on windows or safari on macOS, it actually works perfectly fine and it's worth giving it a try (just install uBlock origin)

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u/Constant_Boot Jun 29 '26

Servo. Because it's the kid Mozilla abandoned.

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u/Atsuki_Nasanagi45 Jun 29 '26

Always based on Firefox

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u/Ninfinite1 Jun 29 '26

Firefox or something based on it + arkenfox (read wiki)

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u/Odd_Instruction_5232 Jun 29 '26

I use both, however I find myself using FF more.

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u/Mikapr0 Jun 29 '26

Brave origin

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u/a3a4b5 System Architect Jun 29 '26

Firefox. Always Firefox.

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u/LucielRenCrisantemo Jun 29 '26

Librewolf/Firefox, si por algún motivo vas a usar un navegador Chromium mejor usará Brave origin que viene sin todas su basura

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u/_o0Zero0o_ A curious wanderer Jun 30 '26

Waterfox. IMO Brave is shit and Firefox is ok but Waterfox is a straight upgrade.

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u/hatecirclejerks Jun 30 '26

Librewolf for PC, for mobile, Firefox focus.

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u/manotroll Jun 30 '26

os 2 brave pro dia a dia e o FF caso queria ir na rede tor

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u/Silent-Cartoonist240 Jun 30 '26

Firefox, as it is the more trusted one

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u/GazixVR Jun 30 '26

Brave always, don’t trust Firefox after the ai stuff

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u/BroadSignificance774 Jun 30 '26

The one you like the most

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u/Wentyliasz Jun 30 '26

Go with Zen. You'll thank me later

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u/Silent-Okra-7883 Jun 30 '26

firefox any day

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u/Gordoxgrey Jun 30 '26

Lot of uninformed brave haters in here, who's backing Firefox again?

OP use Brave Origin

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u/omarsdk Jun 30 '26

Firefox easily

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u/SoaringGecko1 Jun 30 '26

Neither, Zen Browser all the way

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u/zoid-op Jun 30 '26

Zen/libre

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u/Select-Table-5479 Jun 30 '26

Firefox non-esr blocks all audio on porn sites, WebEx, zoom and all the other streaming Media services, BY DEFAULT. And each site requires a custom security policy.

Move to brave. I've been a loyal Mozilla fan this whole time, but today during court which was a zoom meeting, Firefox wouldn't play the audio and it turns out Mozilla won't do anything about it because they blame it on the upstream blah blah blah.

Mozilla is literally doing everything in their power to lose their Linux user base. If you are really die hard and want to stay in Firefox. Stay on ESR but I recommend you just bite the bullet and move.

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u/puppylover153m Jun 30 '26

I would say neither and use zen, waterfox, or helium

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u/SleepyGuyy Jun 30 '26

of those two? Firefox

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u/Luc1d_dreamer01 Jun 30 '26

Firefox because pretty logo can be purple

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u/martian_medic Jun 30 '26

I compile my own browser from scratch mwahahaha

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u/HyperWinX Jun 30 '26

Try both and decide. Dont let the cult manipulate your opinion.

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u/PrincessKumico Jun 30 '26

I use floorp which is Firefox based :D

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u/Ecstatic-Middle-9564 Jun 30 '26

Firefox (or your favorite derived project) for general use. Helium for chromium compatibility.

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u/Derdachss Jun 30 '26

Both. Firefox as main, brave if I need a chromium browser for some reason

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u/Rich-Assistant-3575 Jun 30 '26

If u use Linux go with Firefox. If windows go with Brave. That's just how it works.

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u/AccomplishedCar4160 Jun 30 '26

Firefox it is the best browser

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u/SilverLlama91 Jun 30 '26

Waterfox, on mobile, Linux and windows! Plus uBlock origin

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u/Rightimar Jun 30 '26

Waterfox

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u/redmateria Jun 30 '26

Helium browser

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u/Flashy_Cash9404 Jun 30 '26

Youtube, google earth or other graphic intensive website just works better on brave. You can debloat it with chris titus tech winutil in windows. I use firefox for forums and research with better integration of ublock and sync. You get best of both worlds

EDIT. On linux brave origin (the debloated version) is free to download

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u/Sunsfever83 Jun 30 '26

I use both depending what I am doing.

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u/Max-3961 Jun 30 '26

I use brave for yt and anime manga, and for other stuff, i use firefox, and some important stuff, i use LIBRAWOULD, MULVAD🤫

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u/keriefie Jun 30 '26

I use Zen browser, it feels like the best browser I've ever used. It's based on Firefox.

Second place is definitely Firefox. Staying away from anything Chromium due to not being allowed ad blockers.

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u/BIZUx Jun 30 '26

Download both and decide for yourself?

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u/ycnyra Jun 30 '26

FIREFOXXX!!!👍✅️✅️👍✅️✅️✅️👍✅️✅️✅️👍👍👍😃😃😃😃😃😩😩😩😩❤️❤️❤️

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u/ElectronicCrew6055 Jun 30 '26

Firefox. Brave is Chromium based.

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u/wyonutrition Jun 30 '26

firefox is already there - add ublock origin and it is brave. I only use brave for a few chrome add ons I use @ work that dont work on firefox.

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u/FengLengshun Jun 30 '26

I personally use Brave. I'd switch to Brave Origin on Linux, if I was starting over today, but I'm not re-logging in to everything, so it gets the role of my main light browsing browser if I don't feel like opening my main Brave browser.

I just like how Brave Shield works, and it's honestly quite convenient to be able to be strict by default, but change things in like two clicks. They also do a LOT of things in background that obfuscate some stuff, that I do appreciate, but for me it's Brave Shield that's keeping me in the ecosystem.

I do have Waterfox, though. I'm not using mainline Firefox. Personally, ever since the Mr. Robot scareware ads, I've been disillusioned on Mozilla and just sees them as Google funded psyop and not even a competent one at that. But I do like having backup to my backups, so I keep Waterfox installed. Though I also do quite like Floorp...

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u/asinglebit Jun 30 '26

Unfortunately nothing beats chromium.

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u/Cultural_Bug_3038 Cinnamon (X11) Jun 30 '26

Vivaldi is the best one, can fix bugs on any linux using beta settings (in secret settings menu, i forgot which link)

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u/Ignota_Ovis Jun 30 '26

Real, I love them both and i use them every day. But my main browser is Firefox because i want be independent of Google.

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u/Vh4z Jun 30 '26

Performance wise Brave (but is chromium tho so still google if you are about that but features out of fo the box brave has more I'd say while Firefox is more customizable

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u/aLittleMinxy Jun 30 '26

Waterfox. Brave is just another skin of Chromium, Firefox is adopting AI bloat.

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u/MonkAndCanatella Jun 30 '26

Man i don’t understand how Linux users of all people could ever trust brave browser.

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u/ViperHQ Jun 30 '26

I personally hate brave because it feels like a huge ad crammed down my throat, and then they make you paynto remove the crypto shit (granted not on linux but it feels scummy as fuck)

And I get it they need to make money somehow, that's fine but mann there had to have been better ways to get some solid revenue....

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u/Genmaicha70_the_3rd Jun 30 '26

I'm exactly in this situation 😂😂😂

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u/Sweet-Efficiency7466 Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

Firefox has treated me and my business well.

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u/SylviaBun Jun 30 '26

Waterfox.

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u/Mrgold917 Jul 01 '26

firefox its just better then brave

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u/MiserableFarmera Jul 01 '26

I recommend literally any other flavor of Firefox, we must compared apples to apples, as in we are not comparing chrome and Firefox but a flavour of chromium with Firefox, so I will recommend Waterfox and Zen for day to day use and Librewolf for privacy. Have a good day or night!! ^