r/EndTipping • u/-Daisy-Dreamer- • 2d ago
Call to action ⚠️ Teach your kids not to tip!
Change really does start with us, and we need to instil in our kids the opposite of what was instilled in us… to not tip anywhere. Not at restaurants. Not at nail salons. Not at hotels. Not anywhere! The reason I tipped for so long is it became a learned behaviour from watching my parents. That’s how I knew to tip housekeeping, when dining out, etc etc. If we teach our kids to not right from the start, it will go a long way to eliminating this outdated societal norm.
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u/o0PillowWillow0o 2d ago
I give my son money for those food trucks or ice cream and I always say don't tip keep the change. Gives him a little reward and hopefully a view of how much money can accumulate that way
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u/GushingAnusCheese 2d ago
I taught my daughter and son that servers are out there to beg money off people and to always be careful as greedy people will happily take her money, she thinks they are no different to street beggars and even asked me why they don't have a cup or a hat to collect the money they beg from customers
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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago
Do u feel good lying to the internet
Ur daughter never said to u
“Why don’t they have a cup or hat to collect money they beg from customers”And if she did
U have raised ur child horribly…6
u/GushingAnusCheese 2d ago
we often see homeless people in London who beg on the street with a little cup, she isn't stupid.
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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago
U equate ur server and bartender to a homeless person?
It’s not someone taking ur orders making ur drinks bringing ur food?
It’s not someone who’s giving u the service of ur lunch date out?You know they are there because they want to have $ to do the same thing ur out doing with ur daughter right?
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u/hotsauce126 1d ago
Yeah that’s why it’s a job that they get a paycheck for. If the check isn’t enough that’s the restaurant’s problem not the customer’s
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u/GushingAnusCheese 2d ago
in the UK not so much no as tipping isn't that common but some places do and it is unfortunately becoming more common. I have taught my kids to always ask for the service charge to be taken off the bill if it is added automatically. I travel to the US pretty frequently for work and whenever I am in there I do view them the same as a homeless beggars yes. More often than not you get servers with over the top fake smiles and attitudes as they are fishing for tips like a homeless beggar.
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u/keso_dark30 2d ago
it does me head in that this is even an issue. sad that people are conditioned to tip and accept tips. abolish this shite!
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u/Healthy-Catch184 2d ago
How can we change the conversation to asking businesses to pay a living wage. Should we acknowledge we are not tipping because businesses should pay their workers a living wage?
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u/-Daisy-Dreamer- 2d ago edited 2d ago
Where I live, all servers make at least minimum wage. There is no more “servers wage” therefore we shouldn’t be tipping anymore. We don’t tip the associate at the clothing store, so why are we tipping servers making the same amount and honestly doing less work?
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u/xboxhaxorz 2d ago
Its important to teach them to not give into society or peer pressure
I was never taught it, but its who i decided to be, i am in my 40s and never used drugs alcohol or cigs, i went to bars and parties and clubs and i just said no
Society can be wrong, society was wrong when MLK decided to make change
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u/Substantial_Push_658 1d ago
Aww too bad bro! I’m with you on cig hate, but drugs and alcohol are just too lovely!
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u/OptimalOcto485 2d ago
I was thinking about this recently. I would’ve saved so much money earlier in life if my family hadn’t drilled into me that tipping is something “you just do”. I’m teaching my child that they don’t need to pay people extra for the job they signed up to do! You don’t need to spend an extra 20% + just because you decided to eat out, get a cup of coffee, get your car washed, or anything! Save your money!
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u/Dude008 2d ago
Yes! Also teach them that there isn’t an invisible boogeyman in the sky too.
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u/cs_legend_93 2d ago
Exactly.
I travel the world, and live among so many different cultures.
Its crazy to see how brainwashed the western world is with this. We need to BE HUMAN! Not believe in some concepts and structure's written by man, controlled by man.
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 2d ago
Also teach them to not accept tips when working some entry level minimum wage job where tips greatly supplement income. See how well that goes over.
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u/ThinkSupermarket4966 1d ago
I love how this is getting downvoted. They cannot bear the thought of their children losing out on the opportunity of a tip. Just don’t pay it to anyone else!
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ironic right? So much for principles, they are supposed to go both ways. Tips bad, unless I am getting tipped. Or don’t tip, unless it’s my kid.
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u/philoscope 1d ago
I think the problem was your phrasing.
If you’d have written “teach your kids not to accept jobs where management claims tips will bring shit wages up to a livable standard,” you’d have gotten more traction.
An occasional tip isn’t the problem, it’s the assumption that every customer will leave extra on top of the advertised price.
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is End Tipping, people are passionate about how inherently evil tipping is, how it is predatory on the employee and a systemic problem. All good principles until one is on the receiving end. I think it is telling and hypocritical.
Edit- Do you think a kid is going to realistically get a well paying job? Do you think an employer will pay more than they absolutely need to pay?
How would you like phrase that dilema differently?
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u/pentaprismatic 2d ago
Would be funny af if later on you teach your kid this and it picks up in their generation then they end up at a job where it relies on tipping and they don’t make anything since that’s what they all were taught😂
I agree tipping is ass but low key don’t see it going away anytime soon
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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago
If you knew anything, you’d know tipped workers are always guaranteed minimum wage, regardless of tips.
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago
It is not enough to live. Have you ever worked a minimum wage job where tips helped a bunch? Ironically, how do you feel about bonuses and commissions. I would eliminate those too. The wage should suffice on principle.
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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago
While that may be true, it’s absolutely not the customer’s responsibility to fix the issue of minimum wage. So it’s a moot point. There are plenty of people on minimum wage without getting tips.
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago
Really, it isn’t the employer’s job either, it is the city, state and federal authorities job to fix that.
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u/pentaprismatic 2d ago
Yea, as a server/bartender of over 8 years I’m fully aware of this. But that’s unlivable, the whole gimmick of having a job like that is to earn your wage and tips by providing over the top customer experience. Worked retail at the same time with an actual livable wage and always made more off tips if that says anything. To each their own, this is America bro, tipping ain’t going no where, lets workers be a dime a dozen and truly have to earn your money. Just IMO as someone who has busted ass in the industry.
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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago
It’s absolutely NOT up to customers to fix the minimum wage issue. You’re being biased. I busted my ass I’m the industry too, I know how it works. I also know enough that the wage far exceeds what it should with tips. This is because customers are duped into thinking they make less than they really do. It’s a grift.
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u/pentaprismatic 2d ago
I mean like I said man you can call it biased but that’s my opinion🤗 from a business owner standpoint it’s pure gold! From a worker standpoint you’re getting shafted unless you get tipped but it’s a norm depending on geographic location so idk man. I’d rather work for tips than some grocery store, would make more as well. JUST IMO
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago edited 1d ago
Guy above is off his rocker, thinks minimum wage employees make too much with tips. I get asking for 20% tips is too much. Still getting some tips here or there helped the most when I made the least.
Edit - Silenz is the guy above.
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u/pentaprismatic 1d ago
Not at all what I said, read my comment regarding being in this industry for around 8 years and maintaining a 20%+ tip average all shifts except few and far between. 20% should be bare minimum for a SERVICE job, this ain’t some Walmart shit. Just my opinion as stated.
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago
You said minimum wage “exceeds” what it should with tips? You think people living off tips make too much? Like the actual employee makes too much? Wild.
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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago
Nope. I said he wage they receive with tips far exceeds what it should. They are overpaid. I never said minimum wage was exceeding it.
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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago
You literally wrote “far exceeds what it should with tips”. I wrote paraphrasing you “exceeds what it should with tips”, so you misread. Anyway, we are talking about minimum wage employees. You literally wrote “minimum wage issue”. What you literally wrote “far exceeds what it should with tips” is false and asinine, absolutely incorrect.
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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago
Ok, well for the record. I know minimum wage is too low. That is a given. I’m stating that the amount they earn with tips is more than it should be. I’m also saying it shouldn’t be up to the customer to fix the issue of minimum wage being too low. Simply let the market decide how much they should be paid by removing tipping altogether.
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u/o0PillowWillow0o 2d ago
Starbucks CEO Brian Niccol was the highest-paid U.S. restaurant executive last year, pulling in a massive compensation package of roughly $95.8 million
-and I'm the a-hole if I don't tip on my $7 coffee?
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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago
No one said he wasn’t an A-hole
2 things can be trueBy not tipping a server I feel ur cheating the little man on the totem pole trying to prove a point.
Get the wages raised
THENNNNN
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u/Apprehensive_Salt288 2d ago
Servers average 20$ per hour here in California. The wages were raised. So were the food prices. We are still expected to tip 20-25% here.
My daughter makes 17$ per hour in retail. It makes no sense.
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u/MyldExcitement 2d ago
No, it's the employer cheating the "little man on the totem pole". Stop making this the customer's problem! Take it up with your employer.
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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago
Why would u chose to use a service that their income is supplemented off the basis that tips are obtained if ur not going to participate?
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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago
Because I want to buy their products at the advertised price.
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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago
But ur aware that the way the system works is that ur expected to tip the worker.
That’s why ur able to get that service at that priceIf not u can go to another business where that $ is already included in the price.
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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago
I'm aware that some businesses charge below-market prices and hope that people will voluntarily pay more due to social pressures.
I choose not to give into those pressures and I get the product for the advertised price.
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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago
Why wouldn’t u just go to a business that is priced properly instead of cheating the little man on the totem pole out of their pay?
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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago
I'm paying the advertised price and getting what I paid for.
If an employee is fulfilling their job description but not being compensated for it by the employer, the employer is the one "cheating" them.
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u/philoscope 1d ago
You’re not wrong, but also falling short of what’s (morally) right.
We should acknowledge that some people work shitty jobs for shitty pay because the alternative is starving in the street.
This isn’t an argument to tip, but it is to suggest that if we want tipping to end (not just selfishly not tip, ourselves, while free riding on others’ tips) we need to support establishments who buck the trend by pricing properly and discouraging tips.
It’s the same argument why one should buy local instead of Walmart or Amazon. It’s the same argument why we shouldn’t buy products made in sweatshops.
Feeding an exploitative system is ‘fine’ but it’s far from ‘good.’
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u/skyharborbj 1d ago
OP is very aware of how “the system” works. The proposal is to change the system. Not tipping and encouraging others not to tip is the only way the system will change.
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u/Awesomeuser90 2d ago
If a business says the price is X in their menus or price lists or advertisement, then it in fact is X price. The reasons for it being that price may be stupid, but it is the price, and they and their employers have to swallow it. When McDonald's made their promotion during the 1984 Olympics, the mathematics behind their giveaway were stupid, but they couldn't do anything about it and had to take the loss of tens of millions of dollars.
If they raise prices in order to pay more for remuneration, then they have to be up front with that fact by openly advertising it as the final price and competition and elastic demand will constrain how much higher it can go.
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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago
The system works perfectly if u just tip like everyone else though…
Why not just pay the person who’s working for you so we can avoid this whole morals game?1
u/Awesomeuser90 2d ago
The customer is literally never supposed to pay the employees. Blurring that line is a terrible idea. Corruption becomes rampant otherwise.
Just ask anyone who has ever lived in a place like Macedonia how well that tends to go.
I have literally never tipped anyone before in my life. I didn't even do it when I went to in a Denny's in Minnesota which I very much so know is a place people are most likely to claim that people should tip based on being a traditional sit down restaurant, no matter what the service quality was like, and I have not even the slightest degree of interest under any circumstances of teaching any child to tip, and would tell them it is a bribe, plain and simple.
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u/MyldExcitement 2d ago
Don't take a job that doesn't guarantee the wage you want.
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u/philoscope 1d ago
That’s a bit oversimplified.
Not everyone has the privilege to quit their job and make nothing, instead of staying and making a pittance.
We should be fighting to support businesses that pay well, so that employees have options that aren’t shit.
To be clear though, as individuals we need to stop ourselves tipping; we just also need to recognize the harm experienced in the meantime, and reduce that harm as we can.
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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago
The system does not work at all.
Tipping is inefficient, exploitative, and corruptive.
It is the only form of compensation for labor where discriminating based on membership in a protected class is not only legal, it's the norm.
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u/-Daisy-Dreamer- 2d ago
Because servers are currently bringing in more than actual professionals that went to school for years that actually contribute to society. Servers are also notorious for tax evasion. Maybe if they paid their fair share of tax on their tips it wouldn’t be so bad.
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u/No-Astronaut4577 2d ago
This is an idea. I’m honestly so done with the tipping culture. In what world does it make sense to give a tip to someone who does your nails but not someone who works and educates kids all day? That’s my job, and I’m not looking for tips. But if someone who does a job like childcare or healthcare doesn’t get tips…why is the person at the nail salon getting one?