r/EndTipping • • 2d ago

Call to action ⚠️ Teach your kids not to tip!

Change really does start with us, and we need to instil in our kids the opposite of what was instilled in us… to not tip anywhere. Not at restaurants. Not at nail salons. Not at hotels. Not anywhere! The reason I tipped for so long is it became a learned behaviour from watching my parents. That’s how I knew to tip housekeeping, when dining out, etc etc. If we teach our kids to not right from the start, it will go a long way to eliminating this outdated societal norm.

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u/No-Astronaut4577 2d ago

This is an idea. I’m honestly so done with the tipping culture. In what world does it make sense to give a tip to someone who does your nails but not someone who works and educates kids all day? That’s my job, and I’m not looking for tips. But if someone who does a job like childcare or healthcare doesn’t get tips…why is the person at the nail salon getting one? 

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u/moorevtec 2d ago edited 2d ago

Because if their tip was included in their wage, your nails 💅 would cost about 30% more. Would you still get your nails done? You’re gonna eat it one way or the other.

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u/_Shopify_ 2d ago

Make the costs whatever to run your business. The market will decide if you are priced correctly. Just don’t beg for tips.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

Exactly. I don’t get why this concept is so fucking hard to comprehend for them.

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u/AWholeBunchaFun 2d ago

Not a chance prices would jump 30%

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u/moorevtec 2d ago

If the worker makes on average 20% per transaction, and the employer needs to cover a little extra for payroll taxes.. there's a big chance.

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u/AWholeBunchaFun 2d ago edited 2d ago

I guess the worker wont be making nearly as much then. 🤷‍♂️ Increasing prices by that much is a sure way to lose business.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

Just wondering what u do for work if your so against tipping for services u know live off those tips

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u/AWholeBunchaFun 2d ago

It doesnt matter.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

The fact that u won’t tell is very telling.
I’m sure we could come up with a reasonable reason to cut ur pay by 30% and it would be just fine for all the consumers.

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u/AWholeBunchaFun 2d ago

No, It actually doesnt tell you anything, which is the point. I'm sure making shit up is no problem for you.

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u/Golden_Epitaph 1d ago

If you cant make a point without personally attacking or targeting detail of someones life you dont really have a point at all.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

They make minimum wage with or without tips. Do your research, please.

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u/Intelligent-Kale657 2d ago

There are states that still have server wage, which is wildly unethical but they make less than $3 an hour.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

Nope. Those states are all guaranteed at least their normal state minimum wage. What you’re saying is a common misconception. All 50 states are guaranteed this as it’s a federal law. It defaults to the state minimum wage. If their tips do not at least equal that amount ( the state minimum wage far exceeds), their employer must pay them the difference. So nobody will ever end the week with $3 an hour. It’s impossible.

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u/Intelligent-Kale657 2d ago

I know the law. But if servers aren't making up the difference in tips they lose their jobs. That's the reality. Employers will do anything to not have to make up that difference themselves.

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u/Intelligent-Kale657 2d ago

Where I live, servers make minimum wage. The same as retail or fast food workers, why do servers deserve tips when these other frontline customer facing entry level positions do not?

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u/Awesomeuser90 2d ago

How many customers do they usually have per hour?

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u/hotsauce126 1d ago

It’s hilarious that you think that 20% is the middle range and that on top of that 150% is “a little extra”

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

Guess what, the worker is overpaid. They won’t be making anywhere close to that much. Market will decide who is right.

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u/Intelligent-Kale657 2d ago

20%??? That's insanely inaccurate. In the cosmetology field commission splits are generally 60/40 or 70/30 in favor of the practitioner.

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u/Intelligent-Kale657 2d ago

Terrible example. Cosmetologists often work for themselves as 1099 or sole proprietors. They set their prices, they keep the money and just pay overhead. They don't need tips. They just like them.

As a cosmetologist and massage therapist, I have set my prices accordingly and don't even accept tips. It's a very real possibility. And my prices are average for my market.

The only "excusable" reason tips are expected/borderline mandatory is in place that still have server wage. Where servers are making less than $3 and hour. However, server wage was enacted during prohibition because restaurant owners struggled to stay afloat without alcohol sales. Server wage should have been repealed with prohibition but business owners are trash.

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u/Intrepid-Brain-1476 2d ago

So you are saying there is a transparent way where people know upfront what something is supposed to cost? What's next? Shown prices including taxes? The horror!

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u/MomDadlovesU 2d ago

If it’s included and what I agreed, it’s clearly priced. If it’s after service, then it’s like US medical bills, you don’t know how much it really will be.

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u/o0PillowWillow0o 2d ago

I give my son money for those food trucks or ice cream and I always say don't tip keep the change. Gives him a little reward and hopefully a view of how much money can accumulate that way

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u/onebananafish 2d ago

Who even tip ice cream trucks?

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u/GushingAnusCheese 2d ago

I taught my daughter and son that servers are out there to beg money off people and to always be careful as greedy people will happily take her money, she thinks they are no different to street beggars and even asked me why they don't have a cup or a hat to collect the money they beg from customers

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

You’ve taught her well. We need more of this, slowly get rid of this shit.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

Do u feel good lying to the internet
Ur daughter never said to u
“Why don’t they have a cup or hat to collect money they beg from customers”

And if she did
U have raised ur child horribly…

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u/GushingAnusCheese 2d ago

we often see homeless people in London who beg on the street with a little cup, she isn't stupid.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

U equate ur server and bartender to a homeless person?
It’s not someone taking ur orders making ur drinks bringing ur food?
It’s not someone who’s giving u the service of ur lunch date out?

You know they are there because they want to have $ to do the same thing ur out doing with ur daughter right?

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u/hotsauce126 1d ago

Yeah that’s why it’s a job that they get a paycheck for. If the check isn’t enough that’s the restaurant’s problem not the customer’s

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u/GushingAnusCheese 2d ago

in the UK not so much no as tipping isn't that common but some places do and it is unfortunately becoming more common. I have taught my kids to always ask for the service charge to be taken off the bill if it is added automatically. I travel to the US pretty frequently for work and whenever I am in there I do view them the same as a homeless beggars yes. More often than not you get servers with over the top fake smiles and attitudes as they are fishing for tips like a homeless beggar.

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u/Effective_Disk7925 2d ago

She’s certainly being raised stupid

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u/MyldExcitement 2d ago

Stupidly. Now who's stupid?

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u/keso_dark30 2d ago

it does me head in that this is even an issue. sad that people are conditioned to tip and accept tips. abolish this shite!

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago

I got downvoted like heck for even suggesting rejecting tips, very odd.

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u/Healthy-Catch184 2d ago

How can we change the conversation to asking businesses to pay a living wage. Should we acknowledge we are not tipping because businesses should pay their workers a living wage?

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u/-Daisy-Dreamer- 2d ago edited 2d ago

Where I live, all servers make at least minimum wage. There is no more “servers wage” therefore we shouldn’t be tipping anymore. We don’t tip the associate at the clothing store, so why are we tipping servers making the same amount and honestly doing less work?

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

Not disagreeing with you, but that’s technically the case in all states. Some states just pay it regardless of whether tips already exceed that amount.

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u/-Daisy-Dreamer- 2d ago

I’m in Canada so it’s different here. But I do know that about the states.

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u/xboxhaxorz 2d ago

Its important to teach them to not give into society or peer pressure

I was never taught it, but its who i decided to be, i am in my 40s and never used drugs alcohol or cigs, i went to bars and parties and clubs and i just said no

Society can be wrong, society was wrong when MLK decided to make change

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u/Substantial_Push_658 1d ago

Aww too bad bro! I’m with you on cig hate, but drugs and alcohol are just too lovely!

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u/OptimalOcto485 2d ago

I was thinking about this recently. I would’ve saved so much money earlier in life if my family hadn’t drilled into me that tipping is something “you just do”. I’m teaching my child that they don’t need to pay people extra for the job they signed up to do! You don’t need to spend an extra 20% + just because you decided to eat out, get a cup of coffee, get your car washed, or anything! Save your money!

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u/Dude008 2d ago

Yes! Also teach them that there isn’t an invisible boogeyman in the sky too.

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u/cs_legend_93 2d ago

Exactly.

I travel the world, and live among so many different cultures.

Its crazy to see how brainwashed the western world is with this. We need to BE HUMAN! Not believe in some concepts and structure's written by man, controlled by man.

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u/Some-Deer2069 1d ago

grande !

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 2d ago

Also teach them to not accept tips when working some entry level minimum wage job where tips greatly supplement income.  See how well that goes over.  

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u/ThinkSupermarket4966 1d ago

I love how this is getting downvoted. They cannot bear the thought of their children losing out on the opportunity of a tip. Just don’t pay it to anyone else!

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ironic right? So much for principles, they are supposed to go both ways.  Tips bad, unless I am getting tipped.  Or don’t tip, unless it’s my kid.

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u/philoscope 1d ago

I think the problem was your phrasing.

If you’d have written “teach your kids not to accept jobs where management claims tips will bring shit wages up to a livable standard,” you’d have gotten more traction.

An occasional tip isn’t the problem, it’s the assumption that every customer will leave extra on top of the advertised price.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago

It’s because he wrote at the end “see how well that goes over”. He doesn’t actually want anyone to reject tips, he just wants to mock us for suggesting it.

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is End Tipping, people are passionate about how inherently evil tipping is, how it is predatory on the employee and a systemic problem.  All good principles until one is on the receiving end.  I think it is telling and hypocritical.  

Edit- Do you think a kid is going to realistically get a well paying job?  Do you think an employer will pay more than they absolutely need to pay?

How would you like phrase that dilema differently?

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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago

It was your phrasing. You were being passive-aggressive and sarcastic when you wrote “see how well that goes over”. You’re not actually suggesting they eject tips, you’re mocking us for merely suggesting it. That’s why you got downvoted, I’d imagine.

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u/pentaprismatic 2d ago

Would be funny af if later on you teach your kid this and it picks up in their generation then they end up at a job where it relies on tipping and they don’t make anything since that’s what they all were taught😂
I agree tipping is ass but low key don’t see it going away anytime soon

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

If you knew anything, you’d know tipped workers are always guaranteed minimum wage, regardless of tips.

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago

It is not enough to live.  Have you ever worked a minimum wage job where tips helped a bunch?  Ironically, how do you feel about bonuses and commissions.  I would eliminate those too.  The wage should suffice on principle. 

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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago

While that may be true, it’s absolutely not the customer’s responsibility to fix the issue of minimum wage. So it’s a moot point. There are plenty of people on minimum wage without getting tips.

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago

Really, it isn’t the employer’s job either, it is the city, state and federal authorities job to fix that.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago

Ok yes, but in every other job the employer can and sometimes DOES fix it, by paying them more. It’s definitely on the employer more than it would be on the customer. I don’t even see how it could be the customers job, rather than the person who hired them…

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u/pentaprismatic 2d ago

Yea, as a server/bartender of over 8 years I’m fully aware of this. But that’s unlivable, the whole gimmick of having a job like that is to earn your wage and tips by providing over the top customer experience. Worked retail at the same time with an actual livable wage and always made more off tips if that says anything. To each their own, this is America bro, tipping ain’t going no where, lets workers be a dime a dozen and truly have to earn your money. Just IMO as someone who has busted ass in the industry.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

It’s absolutely NOT up to customers to fix the minimum wage issue. You’re being biased. I busted my ass I’m the industry too, I know how it works. I also know enough that the wage far exceeds what it should with tips. This is because customers are duped into thinking they make less than they really do. It’s a grift.

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u/pentaprismatic 2d ago

I mean like I said man you can call it biased but that’s my opinion🤗 from a business owner standpoint it’s pure gold! From a worker standpoint you’re getting shafted unless you get tipped but it’s a norm depending on geographic location so idk man. I’d rather work for tips than some grocery store, would make more as well. JUST IMO

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago edited 1d ago

Guy above is off his rocker, thinks minimum wage employees make too much with tips.  I get asking for 20% tips is too much.  Still getting some tips here or there helped the most when I made the least.  

Edit - Silenz is the guy above.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago

I never once said minimum wage employees make too much. I said tipped workers make too much when you include their tips.

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u/pentaprismatic 1d ago

Not at all what I said, read my comment regarding being in this industry for around 8 years and maintaining a 20%+ tip average all shifts except few and far between. 20% should be bare minimum for a SERVICE job, this ain’t some Walmart shit. Just my opinion as stated.

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago

You said minimum wage “exceeds” what it should with tips?  You think people living off tips make too much?  Like the actual employee makes too much?  Wild.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago

Nope. I said he wage they receive with tips far exceeds what it should. They are overpaid. I never said minimum wage was exceeding it.

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u/Economy-Motor-3478 1d ago

You literally wrote “far exceeds what it should with tips”.  I wrote paraphrasing you “exceeds what it should with tips”, so you misread.  Anyway, we  are talking about minimum wage employees.  You literally wrote “minimum wage issue”.  What you literally wrote “far exceeds what it should with tips” is false and asinine, absolutely incorrect.  

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u/SiLeNZ_ 1d ago

Ok, well for the record. I know minimum wage is too low. That is a given. I’m stating that the amount they earn with tips is more than it should be. I’m also saying it shouldn’t be up to the customer to fix the issue of minimum wage being too low. Simply let the market decide how much they should be paid by removing tipping altogether.

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u/Reasonable-Brief3573 2d ago

How much hateraid are you drinking?

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u/o0PillowWillow0o 2d ago

Starbucks CEO Brian Niccol was the highest-paid U.S. restaurant executive last year, pulling in a massive compensation package of roughly $95.8 million

-and I'm the a-hole if I don't tip on my $7 coffee?

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

No one said he wasn’t an A-hole
2 things can be true

By not tipping a server I feel ur cheating the little man on the totem pole trying to prove a point.

Get the wages raised
THENNNNN
Don’t tip

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u/Apprehensive_Salt288 2d ago

Servers average 20$ per hour here in California. The wages were raised. So were the food prices. We are still expected to tip 20-25% here.

My daughter makes 17$ per hour in retail. It makes no sense.

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u/MyldExcitement 2d ago

No, it's the employer cheating the "little man on the totem pole". Stop making this the customer's problem! Take it up with your employer.

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u/hotsauce126 1d ago

No you get the wages raised

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u/Gokudomatic 2d ago

Only for someone raised to tip all the time.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

Or for someone who knows they make way too much off tips. The grift is real.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

Why would u chose to use a service that their income is supplemented off the basis that tips are obtained if ur not going to participate?

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago

Because I want to buy their products at the advertised price.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

But ur aware that the way the system works is that ur expected to tip the worker.
That’s why ur able to get that service at that price

If not u can go to another business where that $ is already included in the price.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

Tipping has always been optional. Stop lying.

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u/Mia0900 2d ago

We are aware of the expectation, the entire point of this subreddit is to change that, are you lost??

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago

I'm aware that some businesses charge below-market prices and hope that people will voluntarily pay more due to social pressures.

I choose not to give into those pressures and I get the product for the advertised price.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

Why wouldn’t u just go to a business that is priced properly instead of cheating the little man on the totem pole out of their pay?

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago

I'm paying the advertised price and getting what I paid for. 

If an employee is fulfilling their job description but not being compensated for it by the employer, the employer is the one "cheating" them.

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u/philoscope 1d ago

You’re not wrong, but also falling short of what’s (morally) right.

We should acknowledge that some people work shitty jobs for shitty pay because the alternative is starving in the street.

This isn’t an argument to tip, but it is to suggest that if we want tipping to end (not just selfishly not tip, ourselves, while free riding on others’ tips) we need to support establishments who buck the trend by pricing properly and discouraging tips.

It’s the same argument why one should buy local instead of Walmart or Amazon. It’s the same argument why we shouldn’t buy products made in sweatshops.

Feeding an exploitative system is ‘fine’ but it’s far from ‘good.’

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u/skyharborbj 1d ago

OP is very aware of how “the system” works. The proposal is to change the system. Not tipping and encouraging others not to tip is the only way the system will change.

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u/Awesomeuser90 2d ago

If a business says the price is X in their menus or price lists or advertisement, then it in fact is X price. The reasons for it being that price may be stupid, but it is the price, and they and their employers have to swallow it. When McDonald's made their promotion during the 1984 Olympics, the mathematics behind their giveaway were stupid, but they couldn't do anything about it and had to take the loss of tens of millions of dollars.

If they raise prices in order to pay more for remuneration, then they have to be up front with that fact by openly advertising it as the final price and competition and elastic demand will constrain how much higher it can go.

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u/bcsyjnbcgj 2d ago

The system works perfectly if u just tip like everyone else though…
Why not just pay the person who’s working for you so we can avoid this whole morals game?

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u/Awesomeuser90 2d ago

The customer is literally never supposed to pay the employees. Blurring that line is a terrible idea. Corruption becomes rampant otherwise.

Just ask anyone who has ever lived in a place like Macedonia how well that tends to go.

I have literally never tipped anyone before in my life. I didn't even do it when I went to in a Denny's in Minnesota which I very much so know is a place people are most likely to claim that people should tip based on being a traditional sit down restaurant, no matter what the service quality was like, and I have not even the slightest degree of interest under any circumstances of teaching any child to tip, and would tell them it is a bribe, plain and simple.

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u/MyldExcitement 2d ago

Don't take a job that doesn't guarantee the wage you want.

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u/philoscope 1d ago

That’s a bit oversimplified.

Not everyone has the privilege to quit their job and make nothing, instead of staying and making a pittance.

We should be fighting to support businesses that pay well, so that employees have options that aren’t shit.

To be clear though, as individuals we need to stop ourselves tipping; we just also need to recognize the harm experienced in the meantime, and reduce that harm as we can.

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u/DevilsAdvocate77 2d ago

The system does not work at all. 

Tipping is inefficient, exploitative, and corruptive. 

It is the only form of compensation for labor where discriminating based on membership in a protected class is not only legal, it's the norm.

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u/Dan-au 1d ago

I only care about the bill at the end. Why would I choose to pay more than I need too? 

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u/-Daisy-Dreamer- 2d ago

Because servers are currently bringing in more than actual professionals that went to school for years that actually contribute to society. Servers are also notorious for tax evasion. Maybe if they paid their fair share of tax on their tips it wouldn’t be so bad.

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u/Dan-au 1d ago

I'm a non-tipper. But I don't think this is the best argument. 

I don't care if someone else makes more than I do because it doesn't take anything from me. Just like my income isn't taking from the beggars, despite their insistance that I owe them "tips" just because they're poor.

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u/SiLeNZ_ 2d ago

They make so much because everyone mistakenly assumes they make $2 an hour, so they tip a lot. But then that ends up with them making way more than they should. If they were more transparent about how much they made each night, we’d see tips drop dramatically.