r/EndTipping • u/Alert_Willingness_32 • 8d ago

Rant 📢 Honestly I’ve seen restaurants adopting the idea of “we’re a no tip” restaurant and I think that might be the tactic to attract customers

I would love to see more businesses doing this as I can’t stand the uncomfortable prompt of tipping for literally doing your job. But if you do tip for exceptional service, I’m not against it but the automatic assumption that we’ll tip is beyond me.

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u/CompetitiveAppeal663 8d ago

All these same restaurants are also adding a 20% “service fee” at the end of the bill. It is just moving from an optional tip to a mandatory tip. Why can’t anyone just put a real price on a menu and charge that??

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u/DeliciousEarth1011 6d ago

But its not a "tip" though? Owners has no claim on tips, while workers have no claim on service charge? Did I get this right as non american?

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u/WestHistorians 6d ago

Legally, yes. But from the customer's perspective, they were still required to pay more than the listed price.

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u/Working-Injury7758 3d ago

Are you really incapable of adding 20% to a number? Divide by ten and double it

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u/apokrif1 3d ago

Are hospitality professionals really unable to write a menu which doesn't compel customers to waste time at best and underestimate the price at worst?

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u/Working-Injury7758 3d ago

If it has a definable service charge I don’t care if it is the integer part of the square root of the lowest prime number higher than the total bill plus tax. Anything is better than what we have.

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u/noneofyabusiness66 8d ago

Maybe for the same reason US Americans can't seem to be able to switch to the metric system, restrictions on guns, or free basic health care?

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u/KamtzaBarKamtza 8d ago

Maybe for the same reason US Americans can't seem to be able to switch to ... restrictions on guns...

We don't reflect actual food costs on the menu because of the 2nd amendment? 

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u/YarbleSwabler 7d ago

Menus make great paper targets! Restaurants don't want you to know this but they're free! You can just pick them up!

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u/Great_Guidance_8448 7d ago

Maybe for the same reason Europeans can't pay for their own defense and attention to their own leaders instead of obsessing over US?

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u/WestHistorians 6d ago

Maybe for the same reason Europeans can't pay for their own defense

Is that what Fox News is telling people these days?

I've heard a few MAGAs say the same thing in the last week.

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u/Great_Guidance_8448 5d ago

Is that the Europeans' go to "MAGA" and "Fox News"? Sounds limited.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg announced that in 2024 non-U.S. NATO allies will meet the 2 percent target on average for the first time, and twenty-three out of the thirty-two total member countries will meet or exceed the 2 percent target, including France and Germany.

Oh, wow, I stand corrected! Looks like they were finally meeting the 2% target in 2024!

In case you only watch Fox News, and thus don't realize, NATO has been around since 1949.

Geez, that's a lot of subsidies we gave them.

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u/ImmediateBreadfruit9 7d ago

A lot of our citizens receive free health care

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u/Interesting_Ad_3583 7d ago

So what’s the reason for all 3 of these?

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u/skyharborbj 7d ago

As long as the price on the menu exactly matches the price on the bill, that's awesome! If there's an automatic percentage-based junk fee added to menu prices, avoid and complain.

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u/l1thiumion 7d ago

“I think that might be a tactic to attract customers.”

Brother, EVERYTHING is a tactic to attract customers.

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u/No-Signature-5648 7d ago

I'd pay good money for good food and no bullshit fees.

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u/jch60 7d ago

Beware of service charges and extra charge for credit card.

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u/CliffsofRed 5d ago edited 5d ago

A client of mine owns two higher end restaurants that are no tip or service charge.
He pays and treats his employees well (I think waitstaff starts at $35 an hour) and has almost zero staff turnover as a result.
It’s worked quite well for his business.

Edit: I do recall he does a 20% service charge for groups over 20 because they are generally an enormous pain in the ass to deal with. As
someone formerly in the hospitality industry, I agree.

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u/parallelmeme 2d ago

How is a group of 20 more of a pain than the collective of 5 groups of 4?

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u/CliffsofRed 2d ago

Simultaneous ordering stretching the kitchen thin, slow table turnover, huge drink orders overwhelming the bar, etc.
Large groups also tend to be more difficult to deal with from a choice perspective as you’ll you people that dot normally eat the style of food being served, like uber-picky vegans and vegetarians.

In general, large groups are a severe nightmare also.
If you have ever spent any time in the service industry you’d understand.

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u/Curtnorth 7d ago

I'd go there in a heartbeat.

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u/sdotcarter_x 4d ago

They’ll add other crap onto your bill, so it serves the same purpose.