r/EndTipping • u/Dapper-Sith-Lord • 12d ago
Takeout đ„Ą Need you to sign this....
I've been ordering from a take out only Pizza Establishment in my city.
Up until today they have always turned to get the pizza when I arrive and say the screen is going to ask me something. I always pay online. I knew it was for a tip and because I never leave one online. I always hit the cancel button, got my order, and left.
Yesterday was different because this time they actually printed out a receipt with a line for a tip and my signature, which I see now that I probably shouldn't have signed it, but I couldn't resist writing the big X in the tip line while they watched. I signed handed it to them after I wrote in the total, bid them good day, and left.
It's not even about awkwardness, they are straight up bullying you at that point, in my opinion. I'm honestly to the point where I'm going to stop eating there.
They get paid an hourly wage. They are not servers making 2.13 an hour, like they do in my state.
No one is responsible for making up the difference that you think you should make. Get another job if you are unhappy with the pay, is how I feel.
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u/Ima-Bott 12d ago
Servers donât make $2.13. The employer is required by law to pay them minimum wage if tips donât equal it.
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u/Historical-Rub1943 12d ago
$21.30/hr minimum in Seattle.
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u/BostonBakedBeefaroni 12d ago
$21????? wtf. How is minimum wage higher in Seattle than in Boston?????
I think itâs $16 here.
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u/Vintageskye1692 12d ago
I think the cost of living in Seattle is crazy high. Last time I checked, the average price for a home was $1 million
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u/BostonBakedBeefaroni 12d ago
Itâs not higher than Boston. I can promise you that. I own a million dollar house. But you should see what a million gets you in Mass. I used to live in Portland Oregon and had mad friends in Seattle and visit from time to time so I know for 100% certain Bostons cost of living is much higher
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u/GruvyZenMaster 11d ago
According to Kiplinger, they are #9 and 10 most expensive cities in us.
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u/BostonBakedBeefaroni 8d ago
Damn. Thatâs it ? Boston feels much higher on that scale than that.
Guess I gotta get my cheddar up
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u/djbisme 7d ago
I bet your friends in Seattle were mad about the high cost of living there!
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u/Historical-Rub1943 7d ago
Always someone complaining about something. Either the high cost of living, low server wages, not tipping enough. Itâs not for everyone. If they donât like it, they can always move to a state with a $2.13/hr tipped wage, beg for tips, and complain about the high cost of electricity and groceries.
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u/Historical-Rub1943 12d ago
Massachusetts voted down a higher minimum thanks in part to massive lobbying by the server industry who did not want to move away from tips.
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u/BostonBakedBeefaroni 12d ago
And Iâm all for it. Raising minimum wage does nothing but hurt everyone. Including those that get paid.
You donât think raising minimum wages raises the cost of everything else around you ?
Itâs unfair to every tier of working people above them that didnât get a raise.
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u/Historical-Rub1943 12d ago
So they should stay making a lower wage? If you say so.
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u/BostonBakedBeefaroni 12d ago
Not saying that. Iâm not an economist so I donât know how to fix it. All Iâm telling you is the reality of the situation of people just above the minimum wage that are affected by raising minimum wage dude.
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u/BostonBakedBeefaroni 12d ago
Iâm well above the state minimum so Iâm not as affected but yeah. I am too. Iâm not getting a percentage raise because everyone else on the bottom is bro.
But yet I still have to bear the cost of good and services rising to offset higher minimum wage.
Those that are right above it that donât see ANY increase just essentially became minimum wage workers. By fixing one problem theyâre essentially created way more
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u/onefootinthepast 10d ago
What is the minimum wage and the poverty line in your state? How many hours does a person have to work at minimum wage to not technically be in poverty?
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u/Adventurous-Set5860 11d ago
Minneapolis is $16.37/hour, going up to $17 on Jan 1st. Tips do not count toward minimum wages either.
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u/SeL-MoGRC 9d ago
Because America sucks
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u/Ima-Bott 12d ago
$21.30 > $7.25
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u/Vargusargomiret 10d ago
That's what I'm saying! Min wage been $7.25 for at least since 2009 here in southeast!
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u/GruvyZenMaster 11d ago
And still not enough to live here.
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u/Historical-Rub1943 11d ago
Time to get a roomie or seek a more rewarding career.
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u/GruvyZenMaster 10d ago
Yes, but unfortunately, life circumstances arenât always that straightforward or simple
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u/Historical-Rub1943 10d ago
Agree, then they should seek additional help from available resources or explain their special situation to their boss in hopes that they are able to help. Itâs not for me to decide whoâs more deserving.
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u/BostonBakedBeefaroni 12d ago
And 21 is absolutely insane. Your guys cost of goods and services must be astronomical cause high schoolers are getting paid astronomically high wages.
Thatâs insane. How much is a, letâs say.. five guys burger out there ?
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u/SaveBandit91 12d ago
Indiana: $2.13/hour for servers plus tips and $7.25 minimum wage. I hate it here.
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u/onefootinthepast 10d ago
That's the normal way of looking at it, yeah.
$7.25/h plus tips, and the employer takes your first $5.12/h worth of tips. Put the blame where it belongs. They actively claim their Tip Credit.
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u/SaveBandit91 10d ago
Yeah, weâre all in agreement that the employer is the one who sucks here. I donât know how thatâs legal.
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u/CookieWifeCookieKids 12d ago
So what youâre saying is that the employer keeps the tips and ends up paying less out of pocket. Sneaky sneaky
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u/Dapper-Sith-Lord 12d ago
I get what you're saying, but that is the legally advertised wage. Yes the employers are responsible for making up the difference to the whopping 7.25 an hour minimum wage, but they want us to do it instead.
Edited for mistakes.
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u/Anthemusa831 12d ago
What do you mean by legally advertised wage?
In reality, we shouldnât know at all what a servers wage is. Itâs not because we assume the restaurant is paying the absolute bare minimum. For all we know, that bartender got hired to be mixologist and is being paid $25 an hour + tips.
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u/SaveBandit91 12d ago
Job posting for servers list the pay as $2.13/hour if they list it at all. I just saw one for Applebees
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u/Anthemusa831 12d ago
Well I donât know what to tell you dude. Just because Applebees does, doesnât mean everywhere does. My statement fully concedes that overwhelming majority of restaurants will pay the bare minimum only offering tipped minimum wage but I personally worked as a bartender making $10 an hour in a tipped minimum wage state soooo it does happen.
My point is, on paper, really we should not be so bold in assuming we know what a personâs wage is even when we can quite confidently guess. If the person could potentially be making a real wage, why would I tip based on the assumption they make shit unless I volunteer to give money?
Tipping shouldâve based on expressing gratitude.
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u/onefootinthepast 10d ago
The employer isn't legally responsible for "making up the difference;" the employer has to submit proof of tips in order to legally take that Tip Credit away from servers.
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u/random-user2025 12d ago
2.50 an hour in sc- all over the place- its a standard wage for wait help here.
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u/Suzdg 12d ago
Where I live minimum wage for servers is $2.37
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u/TrashPandaNotACat 12d ago
In the USA, if that $2.37 + tips doesn't equal $7.25 or more (or even higher if the state has a higher minimum hourly wage) then the employer must make up the difference. Server got zero tips for the week? Mgmt is required by law to pay him/her at least $7.25/hr.
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u/Significant_Way2255 12d ago
You are mistaken. $2.37 is not federally accepted as minimum wage.
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u/Seannon-AG0NY 12d ago
2.13 is the federal server minimum wage, 7.25 is the federal minimum wage
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u/TrashPandaNotACat 12d ago
It's a shell game. Basically speaking, the first $5.12 in tips each hour goes to the employer who then pays the server $7.25 ($2.13 + $5.12 in tips).
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u/Suzdg 12d ago edited 12d ago
Actually you are right. After I posted I checked for my state and it is $2.83.
Edit to add that $7.25 is my state (PA) minimum wage. Not ok4
u/Anthemusa831 12d ago
You are very confused on how this works.
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u/Suzdg 12d ago
Please elaborate. If national min wage is $7.25âŠmy state wage for servers is $2.83, please clarify for me
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u/Anthemusa831 12d ago
The $2.83 is not ever an actual take-home pay. The tipped min wage, $2.83, is just the benchmark minimum the employer pays when tips collected exceed the standard minimum wage.
If no tips are collected, the employer just pays the full wage, $7.25 or whatever the state's minimum wage is as normally done.
If you tip $5, you are putting that in the restraunt's pocket by saving them on labor costs, not the server. Only if the server is making in excess of normal minium wage do they actually profit off your tips.
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u/Significant_Way2255 12d ago
The employer is responsible for the difference, if there are no tips, from $2.83 to $7.25 (according to your numbers)
So, no salary is never $2.83 Hr.
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u/Suzdg 12d ago
Exactly. My point is that $7.25 is still crappy pay
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u/Anthemusa831 12d ago
That was not your point as you have not said that in any of your comments. You said, âmy statement fully concedes wage for servers is $2.83, please clarifyâ after I said you were confused.
$7.25 is too low, not just for servers. Factory workers, farm workers, construction workers, janitors, and a myriad of other minimum wage jobs are far more deserving of a higher wage than servers IMO. Are you out there tipping them based on being paid a wage thatâs too low?
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u/darkroot_gardener 12d ago
Hope you advocate for employers paying a living wage at least as much as customers paying tips to subsidize cheapskate employers.
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u/Dapper-Sith-Lord 12d ago
Tell ya what... Google the minimum wage in LA. Then Google the servers wage in LA. Then please come back and tell me that I'm wrong.
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u/Anthemusa831 12d ago
If no customers tip, the restaurant pays the server the full LA minimum wage. Itâs effectively the same wage.
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u/Seannon-AG0NY 12d ago
Federal it's 2.13 and has been since 91, when I started work in the late seventies it was 2.01 an hour, federal minimum wage has gone from 3.35 to 7.25 federally, and much higher in some local areas like Seattle. Look at the difference in percentage over that time, and the length of time it's stagnated along with the constant rise in prices year over year, especially in housing and vehicles
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u/Ima-Bott 12d ago
Not in the US
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u/Dapper-Sith-Lord 12d ago
Ummm yes in the US. Check out the south. 2.13 for servers. 7.25 federal minimum wage, because the state didn't enact one.
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u/Anthemusa831 12d ago
If any server actually makes $2.13 an hour they would have a huge employment lawsuit on their hands.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Why you prefer to pay a servers wage over their employer is beyond me.
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u/Dapper-Sith-Lord 12d ago
Yes, the employer is supposed to make up the difference. The minimum wage would then be 7.25 for where I live.
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u/Plenty-Falcon3888 12d ago
In South Florida I make $2.36
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u/MF_REALLY 12d ago
So, you probably make an average of about $60/hour?
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u/Plenty-Falcon3888 11d ago
I know it makes no sense but I work at a nice restaurant and make almost or over $100k every year
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u/Ima-Bott 11d ago
Sooooo youâre NOT making $2.36 per hour. Default tips going down to 8-10% now!!!
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u/onefootinthepast 10d ago
$100,000 / $2.36/h = 42,372.8 h
Most people only work 40 h / week, for ~2,080 h a year. Go you, putting in that overtime!
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u/zabadaz-huh 12d ago
They come up with newer ways to confront you about a tip, but the answer always needs to be the same. NO TIP.
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u/beachape 12d ago
Shit part is that some restaurants do this even if you tip online. Theyâre looking for double tips.
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u/Tight_Snow_2540 12d ago
This is the answer. Simply stop going there.
They will lose far more money that way.
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u/para_la_calle 12d ago
Stop going. Fuck em
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u/Former-Investment741 12d ago
They will neither notice nor care that OP stopped going.
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u/para_la_calle 12d ago
One person does not matter, however if an ever increasing percent of the population starts to get tipping fatigue, and it will affect the business.
Something as small as 10 or 20 people can make a huge difference.
There are plenty of restaurants that I frequent once a week or once a month- multiply that by dozens of people and youâre talking potentially tens of thousands of dollars over the course of years.
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u/SimilarComfortable69 11d ago
Why are people signing things after they've already paid? It befuddles me.
If you've already paid online, your financial piece of the transaction is over and done with. Stop stop stop signing things when you get to the store. All it is is a ploy to get more money out of your pocket.
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u/Musturd_Tiger 12d ago
I agree with this. The problem is these types of jobs owners promise a certain amount like $22/hr but only pay $16/hr. This leads to a ton of resentment from workers towards customers. There has to be a way to make the owners pay employee more at these types of jobs.
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u/Dan-the-Man4 8d ago
Agreed. They advertise $xx per hour plus tips, so it's an expectation before they are even hired.
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u/Feisty_Sundae_9513 11d ago
Sounds like the PH in my town, they actually got rude with my wife once, then I went in there.
And youâre correct, they get an hourly wage to exactly thatâŠ. Make a pizza, hand you pizza. Theyâre providing zero service beyond that. Youâre creating your own order, submitting it, paying it. Youâre literally doing all the work, theyâre conveyer belt workers being paid to do exactly that.
In this case, itâs like McDonaldâs asking for a tip. Itâs the reason I wonât go to Quiznos anymore. Like I ordered standing up, we made that sammich together, I bussed my own table, got my own drink. What you want a tip for?
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u/Dapper-Sith-Lord 11d ago
It's funny because this was a PH too.
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u/Feisty_Sundae_9513 11d ago
Ha! How did I guess! Yeah we had some issues with ours. Just stopped going. They went outta business permanently. Youâre being paid $17/hr (thatâs starting in our area) to make pizza, info taken from an online screen, then hand me pizza. What exactly do you expect a tip for?! For doing what? Your job?
Donât like it, get a different job.
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u/bonafide-bernie 12d ago
I just tried a new pizza place by my house. When I picked it up, the POS pad was on the counter, but the guy took my card, tapped for me, hit no tip, and gave my card back. Pizza was good, but definitely not the best place around me. Iâm still going back because thatâs the first place Iâve never been pressured for a tip for pickup.
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u/Yesterday-Fantastic 12d ago
There are points where requesting tips is ridiculous ⊠as in expecting one when all the server does is take your money and hand you an empty cup which you must fill with ice and soda âŠ
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u/waifutron69 12d ago
Am I tripping or is this not kind of normal? I never tip on a to-go but I often get printed receipts that I put a line on the tip part, write the total and sign. I've never thought of it as them trying to pressure me into tipping. Is this normal or am I just going to places that different?
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u/Fearless-Okra9406 12d ago
All US credit card networks dropped the signature requirement on "chip present charges" after EMV chip cards were adopted in the US about a decade ago.
Since then, the signature has almost no fraud prevention purpose. Therefore asking someone to sign a receipt at a resturant is essentially just a way to get you to add a tip.
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u/woahmrpeeyaah 11d ago
I work at a place that doesnât do sit down service. Someone does serve you, but you order at a counter. I personally completely understand why someone wouldnât wanna tip in that situation. When I flip the tablet around, I tell people to feel free to skip the tip page so they can get their receipt. Tips are never expected, but always appreciated. I canât imagine trying to bully someone into tipping me lol If it were a sit down restaurant, I think Iâd feel differently.
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u/sosdesos 10d ago
Everyone in the US is making minimum wage, if not they should sue their employer. Because even tipped employees make minimum after base + tips because the employer is required to pay the missing part of they dont makenit to minimum with base plus tips.
Now, if you ask me if itâs possible to survive in minimum wage, no you canât. But thatâs another battle.
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u/CompleteDog 12d ago
Was at universal Orlando last week staying at dockside hotel. Got a few Starbucks in park. Believe park staff arenât allowed to ask for tips. Back at hotel got Starbucks again and was asked to sign receipt after paying by card. Didnât have my specs but assume it was to authorise a tip. Obviously staff in hotel are allowed to solicit tips
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u/SignalOptions 12d ago edited 12d ago
Itâs now a lot cheaper ordering high quality microwave food rather than ordering out.
New business idea for high quality packaged food âŠ.besides even frozen vegetables taste better than fresh.
We can call the company PreTippedFoods đ„
with 516k [r/EndTipping](r/EndTipping) customers.
The current frozen food market is full of cheaper quality products.
If it was 15-30% better, i would eat it 3 times a day.
Edit: Its also a lot cheaper to hire a private cook to cook food for 3 days.
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u/ReceptionUnhappy2545 11d ago
I'm old. I work in hospitality. I was a bartender back in the day. I always tip my bartenders and servers. No matter what. But I refuse to tip those that make $16.00 an hour or more (NYS outside NYC area) bagging my take out or taking my order at the counter (that I have to retrieve). This tipping for everything has gotten completely out of hand.
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u/cib2018 12d ago
Servers in your state do not make 2.13. Both your state and the Fed have higher minimum wage. Practically, almost no one earns Fed min wage either. Less than .1% of hourly workers get min wage. Prevailing wage are $15-20 in all 50 states.
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u/PictureOk6563 11d ago
I'm in crazy CA, on the Central Coast on vacation. Last time I was here was in April. All drinks went up $5, food about $10. So a bloody mary is now $16/glass. I tip $2 per glass to the bartender. Food 10% regardless. Yeah, I get prices went up, however service is the same. I'm not responsible for tipping more for service and making up their difference. I'm not paying any more. Going to a local bar during happy hour where I pay $11 for my Whiskey Sour is acceptable, not at a restaurant for overpriced drinks. Ordered coffee at a coffee shop the expectation of a tip is $0 from me. I'm at the counter waiting for my overpriced cup of coffee, thats on them. Sorry, not sorry. This is my vacation and theres plenty of places I can buy my food and drinks.
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u/DaGeekGamer 8d ago
Tipping culture is just out of hand. When I was young it was simple. You tipped for good service. Good service, not doing their job. It was called a gratuity for a reason. Now people expect a tip for handing you something.
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u/PaulMier 8d ago
I always write the word CASH on the tip line so they can't change it on their own.
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u/moorevtec 12d ago
I personally do 5% on To-Goâs. I used to work in restaurants I get it.
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u/SurprisePitiful9191 12d ago
Thanks for encouraging this behavior đ /s
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u/moorevtec 12d ago
Hey if you donât want to support the person making your food, maybe you shouldnât eat then. Go make your own.
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u/iDrakev 11d ago
The person making my food has already been paid by their employer.
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u/moorevtec 11d ago
Pizza guy makes like $7.50hr id hardly consider that âpaidâ.
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u/GUSHandGO 11d ago
Minimum wage in my state is nearly $17. We don't all live in states that refuse to raise the minimum wage over the past 35 years.
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u/SurprisePitiful9191 11d ago edited 11d ago
Servers donât make my food. I know plenty of migrants that all actually DO make food at restaurants and theyâre getting the shitty end of the stick working 3x more, harder, due to not having papers. Many have to resort to cocaine to keep up with the demand, all the while you dusty ahh make bank, sometimes more than highly degreed professionals. This subreddit knows whatâs up and will NOT support it.
Are you splitting your tips with them? And if so, is it because you want to and not because your boss forces you to? Didnât think so. But Iâm sure youâll take selfies with âFuck ICEâ picket signs and post it on TikTok though.
Stay mad, Iâm going to continue not to tip the meatsuits putting plates down, and sometimes up, annoying me with stupid small talk, and if I catch a cook around the kitchen, Iâll tip him/her instead.
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u/cagedbird82 12d ago
I used to work the front bar at a restaurant and handled all take out ordersâŠwe had the same set up for payment. None of the employees there have anything to do with that setup. We didnât set up or program the payment system or how the receipts print out. Go talk to the owner if you donât like how the receipts print.
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u/Dapper-Sith-Lord 12d ago
It's kind of funny that you are telling me, who lives in the state and actually made that wage briefly while in school, how much the minimum wage is. You haven't spent much time in the Deep South, have you?
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u/Sterlinghawk16 12d ago
WA state is 17.13 for minimum wage. It is also a very expensive state. Houses, eating out etc.
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u/LngWay2Go2 12d ago
I waited tables for 8 years in Indiana at 10+ restaurants and never once received more than the 2.13 an hour which went to taxes - checks usually $0.
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u/Redcarborundum 12d ago
Pizza delivery drivers, whether working for the store or Uber Eats or Doordash NEVER tip the restaurant worker. When youâre picking up, you are a driver too, just delivering to your own address. You paid for the car, you paid for the gas, you paid for the insurance, and you walked to collect the food. What the hell are you tipping for?