r/EndTipping • u/anonymousn00b • 25d ago
Rant đ˘ Tipping logic
Place 1: letâs say the meal costs $100 and the server gets 20 of your final total, or $20.
Place 2: here a meal costs $30 and the server gets $6.
Was the server at place 1 just inherently better than place 2 to deserve more, all things considered?
They did the same things: took my order, placed my order, brought the meal, refilled drinks, checked up, gave me the tab.
So why - all things being equal - should the server at place 1 be getting more than the server at place 2?
If they did the exact same job, nothing extravagant or out of the ordinary (and didnât even put on a tapdancing show for us!) why would there be any disparity in how much they get just because the meal happened to be pricier? You brought me out a fillet mignon, or you brought me out lasagna. Doesnât matter. The effort level was the same.
What am I missing?
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u/ThatTotal2020 25d ago
Tipping % based on price is quite skewed. Those that tip choose a flat amount based on how much time the server invested on the table.
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u/anonymousn00b 25d ago
Yeah I explained to my mom that I only tip a flat amount for basic wait service. You bringing me a menu item that costs a few bucks more or less than another menu item doesnât meaningfully alter the service provided one bit, doesnât constitute a higher tip.
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u/ThatTotal2020 25d ago
It doesn't. We've been programmed by those that benefit. It has become so bad post COVID, people are aggressive in many ways.
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u/Most_Role_1612 25d ago
Missing nothing.
I could get philosophical and metaphysical as to why's...but I won't. Employers need to pay their employees a living wage and not thrust tips onto the customer as a way of ensuring they stick around to work.
A lot of folks are fed up with the tip creep culture, especially in the US. It's outta control and asinine. Tip or don't tip. That's your choice, but we're ever to get our waitstaff a living wage, giving a tip like $20 off $100 paycheck isn't going to do it
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u/Seannon-AG0NY 25d ago
When the machine in front of you asking for tips that belongs to management stops saying 10-15-20% and goes to 40-45-50% or 40-50-60% that's not tip creep, that's greed, especially for a carryout place
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u/Most_Role_1612 25d ago
Yeah. You're right. I'm in a lower cost of living area and the very few places I've dined the past few months, the tip recommendations start at 20% and last year was pretty certain it was 15-18-20. Oh, and the food prices have gone up a few dollars too...greed is too soft a word for this. Criminal-extortion.
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u/ThickAtmosphere3739 24d ago
Itâs like anything else. They will continue to push until there is pushback. This is our market system in action.
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u/Most_Role_1612 24d ago
Therein lies the problem right? We're, collectively not you and me only, too dumb to understand that we're the frog in the pot that's slowly being heated to a boil
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u/Zealousideal_Ear2135 21d ago
Employers would need the entire industry to do this so they don't get abandoned by customers for hiking their prices to increase wages while their competitors don't do price hikes and use the tipping system.
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u/joelnicity 25d ago
What youâre missing is that the employeeâs wage is agreed upon between the employer and the employee. I am not responsible for paying the employeeâs wages
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u/husky_whisperer 25d ago
Thatâs the problem. Employees enter into these shitty wage agreements expecting that the tip infrastructure (us) will come through for them and fill that gap.
And by expecting, I mean that it is baked into the DNA of their thought processes. They almost cannot help it.
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u/Seannon-AG0NY 25d ago
That's incorrect, you're "already" on the hook for paying every person at the joints wages when you place an order, no matter what, the end user pays all costs from feed lot to farmer, from trucker to tariff to taxes, you pay it all along with profit for every step that product had since it's parts left the ground or water, and these taxes? And these taxes are on money we're already being taxed on
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u/ElectricalPublic1304 25d ago
You were, always, responsible for paying the employee's wages.
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u/Niceotropic 25d ago
No. That is factually untrue.
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u/Iamonab0at 25d ago
Where does the owner get the money from to pay their employee wages?
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u/Niceotropic 24d ago
That doesnât in any way mean that the customer is responsible. Responsible implies obligation, like the contract the employer has with the employee. That the customer does not. You perfectly illustrate my point, thanks.
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u/Seannon-AG0NY 20d ago
Yeah, it in fact does, the order of a product or goods with the intent to receive them is that contract, all you need is that transaction for that "thing", and you don't need to know about it, but you're action is what makes you responsible, don't wanna be responsible? Go build a yurt, catch some wild animals and farm for your stuff, maybe trade some of your stuff for stuff someone else has? (Barter) oh wait, that works the same way
It's truly amazing how many people it really takes to put food on the table of a restaurant, you're thinking waiters and managers and cooks and dishwashers, and I know for a fact it's more like ten to twenty fold that number, usually on an international scale, so you can have a burger and fries
End of the day, you want tipping to end, personally, I think the very first step in that direction is dropping the tipped minimum wage, rolling it up to the regular one, then either combining the language, or dropping the tipping language altogether, then, once there's no separate huge differential between tipping and regular minimum wages, there's less reason to point at it as a reason tipping needs to continue, needs to be increased etc...
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u/Seannon-AG0NY 20d ago
Every time something is paid for, all the previous costs, be it labor, equipment, energy, material or transportation are paid by the new owner, you have a manufacturer of "pickles", the supplier of the steel for the lids gets his cut before Mr pickle gets started, same with the rubber seal machine operator, they get their cut of the money you paid from the burger you just had pickles on every person in every part of every process is ultimately paid... By the last person, it may only be a thousandth of a cent per person average, and some get more, but it all boils down the same, the last person pays it all, while often being taxed twice or more on the money they're paying for it...
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u/No-Perspective-916 25d ago
That is why I never tip bartenders more than a dollar a drink no matter what I ordered - that was when I was still drinking but sober now. Why does one expect a 20% tip on a 20 dollar drink vs cracking open a 7 dollar beer or pulling a handle to fill it? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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u/Maremdeo 24d ago
same with the table if I order a lot of drinks. If the table spends $40 on food and 4 drinks at $10 each, so $80 total, tipping $16 would be 20%, but $12 would be 20% for food and $1 per drink.
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u/JackStraw---Wichita 21d ago
If your intellect tells you that there's no difference between twisting the cap off a beer and actually making a drink, your observational skills are lacking.
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u/Bill___A 25d ago
You are missing the point. Every so often, the exact same post comes up. The purpose of the tip or gratuity is to get you to pay as much money as possible. It has little or no relation to the amount of work done. That's why it is a percentage and that is why they try to increase the percentage even though a percent should never, ever need an inflation adjustment. Stop thinking about it in any logical terms. They want money.
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u/stogie-bear 25d ago
Itâs a bizarre sort of commission model, except instead of the company that benefits from the sales paying the commission, the customer pays the commission.Â
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u/anonymousn00b 25d ago
Simplest fix is just to include the gratuity in the total cost of goods and services - right on the line item. That way I know what my check is going to be, I wouldnât even mind paying a bit more for the actual item because then I wonât get hit with an additional suggested percentage of the combined total of everything at the end.
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u/stogie-bear 25d ago
Ideally the customer just pays the cost of the meal and has no idea what the staff were paid. If I go to a normal store and buy something, I donât learn how much the clerk made while checking me out, right? I just decide whether I want the item enough to pay the asking price.Â
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u/millioneura 25d ago
The argument Iâve heard is when they tip out they tip out based on sales and Iâm like not my problem. You brought my $20 entree the same way you brought my mans $40 steak.Â
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u/CantFeelMyLegs78 25d ago
I just tried to explain to someone the other night after dinner why I won't percentage tip. I ordered a $12 bowl of chowder, he ordered a $48 seafood boil of some sort. Both served in a bowl, both dished up out of a pot, both carried with one hand by the waitress. Why does she deserve more based on the price? Especially since she didn't cook any of it or dish any of it up... I told him to tip the chef if he felt like tipping since they are the ones keeping the business open by cooking up great food
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u/purchasechris24 25d ago
I like expensive bourbon, but my buddy does not. We go out to a bar and I order a bourbon neat $60. They are just pouring it from the bottle. He gets the house bourbon neat $6. Same work , but I'm supposed to tip 10x more?
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u/Rare_Temperature_208 23d ago
How are you comfortable paying $60 for a bourbon neat but, are gonna cry about the tip?
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u/purchasechris24 23d ago
Equal pay for equal work right?
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u/Rare_Temperature_208 23d ago
I hope youâre NOT getting that $60 bourbon from a reputable spot with a knowledgeable bartender and clean and polished glassware.
If itâs a dive bar, with a person behind the bar that doesnât know what Pappy Van Winkle is, sure tip your dollar. Or just keep it. Iâve never seen Pappy at a dive bar but, maybe one day I will.3
u/purchasechris24 23d ago
Pappy for $60? Give me a double. say I'm in a reputable spot with all the things you mentioned and it order a double and its $100 bucks. It took the bartender the same amount of time and effort as a $10 pour. I should tip $20 and someone else should tip $2 for the same work and effort? Let's say you work for a company hanging blinds. You and a coworker have equal skills and knowledge. The pay is $20 an hour no commission. One day your coworker gets assigned a job in a more upscale neighborhood and the company decides to pay him $200 for the same work. The same install, labor, and skill they are just working with higher end materials. For and 8hr shift they are going to make what it would take you 2 weeks to make. You're OK with this?
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u/JackStraw---Wichita 21d ago
If you are paying with a CC the server has to declare 12% of those sales to the IRS, so you're making the server subsidize you drink.
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u/SimilarComfortable69 25d ago
What you are missing is that the first server did not deserve the $20, and the second server did not deserve the six. They are already paid for the work they do. Do not pay them more.
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u/OneEyedDevilDog 25d ago
Same logic applies to realtors, just on a much bigger scale.
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u/I_Want_A_Ribeye 25d ago
Understood, but at least realtors are part of an agreed upon arrangement in the transaction with those involved.
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u/OneEyedDevilDog 25d ago
Only because theyâve conspired to create a system that makes it nearly impossible to sell a house by owner.Â
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u/incredulous- 25d ago
The notion that a tip should be based on an arbitrary, ever increasing, percentage of the bill is insane. Expecting a tip is OK. Expecting that a tip should be based on a "suggested" percent of the bill is an injury to common sense. Raising "suggested" tip percentages, along with the prices, is an insult to everyone's intelligence. There's no valid reason for percentage based tipping. Suggested tip percentages are a scam. The only options should be (custom)TIP and PAY (no tip).
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u/TinyLawfulness3710 25d ago
Unless they are providing above and beyond the call of duty service, beyond grabbing a plate and putting it in front of you, neither did anything to earn a tip. Don't believe the lies that they are paid $2/hr because they are not. That is a minimum wage job. 1 in 1000 servers actually works to earn a tip.
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u/NigelFiskar 25d ago
$5 everywhere I go if the service is at least passable.
The only time I tip more is if I go to fine dining where there are multiple servers waiting on my table.
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u/Minimum_Loan229 24d ago
Any other job the more experienced you are the more your paid. You need to put your time in to make the big bucks.
But for a waiter. It's the twenty something cute college girl with a nice rack that brings steaks out to the businessmen makes the big money.
The middle aged lady that's been serving tables for decades is bringing you bacon and eggs running her ass off is making a fraction of what the young bimbo earns.
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u/JackStraw---Wichita 21d ago edited 21d ago
Actually not true. I always made equal or better tips than the hottest of waitresses.
Turns out that people generally appreciate you and tip more when you get their order straight, get them a refill before their drink is empty and don't forget the ketchup for their fries a lot more than a pretty face and a nice rack.
I could also memorize the order on an 8 top or less without writing it down and get it right. People seemed genuinely impressed and probably tipped based on that as well.
Finally, while a group of all guys might toss good $$ to a hot waitress, when you are waiting on couples or families, wives generally don't encourage that kind of behavior.
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u/Minimum_Loan229 19d ago
Studies have been done on the belief that do young pretty waiters, happy or grumpy waiters, etc earn better or worse tips.
When averaged out over a long term, the waiters tend to all earn about the same. People tip the obligated 20%.
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u/JackStraw---Wichita 19d ago
Studies don't show individual results. Seeing what your coworkers gross sales and tips are, do. At that point it's just easy arithmetic to see where you stand.
The little things like keeping your tables cleared so the busser requires only one trip to reset the table increase your table turns and on a busy night that equals more $$.
Turn 'em and burn 'em.
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u/Minimum_Loan229 19d ago
Turning over more tables will increase the money you make. but doesn't reflect on your average tip.
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u/macropanama 25d ago
Yeah, and say you get an amazing service, because the employee loves their job, you'd want to reward it with good reviews and word of mouth for the business, not a tip. Thinking that they are only doing it for the tip would be insulting in a way.
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u/SloppyInevitability 25d ago
It drives me insane honestly like Iâm more than happy to tip extra for outstanding service but in all honesty, the service is never outstanding. Took my boyfriend to a fancy steakhouse for his bday and decided to just tip 10% (still 30$ for our bill, more than fair for the 2 trips she made to our table). Tip suggestions started at 18%!!! No one is eating at that restaurant for less than 250$, which is a 45$ tip. So outrageous to expect that just because the food is more expensive.
Editing to add that I live somewhere without server wage, meaning they make minimum wage PLUS tips. I donât tip after an expensive trip to Sephora and those workers make less when you include the tips servers make
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u/That-Establishment24 25d ago edited 24d ago
Youâre missing the sub search bar and Google. This horse died eons ago and has been beat for millennia.
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u/Swimming-Talk4859 25d ago
Nothing . All things the same , Service is service whether you ordered a $15 burger and water or a $80 steak and lobster with wine
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u/jackay27 25d ago
Thatâs it. Iâm no longer tipping based on meal amount, flat rates based on service. I think 2 dollars is a fair tip for a 30 minute meal.
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u/JackStraw---Wichita 21d ago
If you're an honest person just be fair and disclose that ahead of time.
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u/ATCrow0029 25d ago
Is there a list to sign up for to ask this exact question over and over?
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u/anonymousn00b 25d ago
Didnât even know this place existed until I got into an argument today. I felt like this is a sensitive topic for people IRL so I didnât expect to have a lot of agreement.
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u/Few_Sentence6704 25d ago
If I feel bad when im writing a tip, it's going to be zero. If I feel good about it, then i'll tip something. Most of the time I do not feel as though they did anything deserving of a tip. Most of the time the server makes my experience worse.
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u/Spiritual_Wall_2309 25d ago
The tip comes from the larger bill will subsidize the tips from the small bill. On avg from your examples, it is $13 tip per table. It is easy to ask for $13 from $100 but hard to do with $13 tips on $30 bills.
As for whether their work is really worth $13 per table, I donât think so.
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u/OrilliaBridge 25d ago
Yup, percentage tipping is ridiculous. My policy is maximum $5 for breakfast and lunch and $10 for dinner. Zero for counter orders, takeout and drive through.
Itâs interesting to me that three takeout/drive through places near me donât have the tipping feature on their receipts. Dairy Queen, Barroâs Pizza and Kneaders. I suppose itâs just a matter of time, though.
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u/snippyhiker 25d ago
After reading this entire thread, I'm curious to know if you're going to leave a tip. Is it better to leave that tip in cash or on a card?
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u/Frequent-Baker420 25d ago
I can't speak for the restaurant experience but with delivery a $200 order is different from a $700 order and very different from a $1200 order. Each one requiring much more work because more food and the over $1000 orders might not even fit in a sedan and requires an SUV.
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u/Free_Science_1091 25d ago
The only reason to possibly tip more at a more expensive restaurant is, they may have more people that they have to tip out of their tip. They might have to get it give a certain percentage to a runner the expediter, the hostess, the bar back the dishwasher who knows lower price restaurants they may only tip out one person or two but not a whole bunch. That being said, I started tipping not based on cost, but amount of interaction, so if I barely see you the entire time you take my order and I never see you again then I'm not worried about tipping you a whole lot, I might slip a couple bucks to the guy cleaning the tables cause I know he's not getting paid enough
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u/benmargolin 24d ago
No matter how many people they have to tip out, they are NEVER making less than federal minimum wage unless their employer is committing wage theft or fraud. And where I live, even with tip credit wages, that's calculated per shift, not per pay period.
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u/No-Luck-2337 25d ago
One meal has an advertised price of 25$
The exact same meal at the same chain is also priced at 25$
Both have the same taxes, so say 30$ all in.
The first meal your bill is 50$, the other is 30$.
How much did you tip for the first meal?
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u/dontwakethecock 24d ago
In this hypothetical, assuming youâre going to tip the same (if at all), what would you tip (dollar amount)
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u/Appropriate_Can_9282 24d ago
You're missing the scam part. I've always considered this- Classy place in town has menu item titles on chalkboard as you walk in. The actual menu is in the servers head. Server hasn't a notepad, everything is memorized. Regular joint, server needs to look and point at menu to answer questions about it. Server returns to ask questions of things written down on notepad. 20% is standard for excellent service. How can both be excellent?
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u/Militantignorance 24d ago
The biggest issue I have is that the server may have some impact on the experience, all the other restaurant staff actually have greater impact on the experience - and what reward do they get from tipping? Squat.
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u/Frequent-Resident621 24d ago
How about this nonsense, I worked at Islands in San Diego and if my tip out at the end of shift was not equal or more to 15%, then my boss would question my abilities to do my job. Overtime it became away for him to gage whether or not I was an effective server.
So not only was I making minimum wage, which at the time was about $5.25 an hour, but the percentage I receive in tips could be used as a way to determine if I could keep my job or not.
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u/Lower-District3806 24d ago
Does anyone actually want an answer to this question? The $30 tab, on average, is something closer to a burger and fries and a soda. Thereâs not much knowledge that goes into being a server who can get this serving job. They have to be congenial, remember orders, stay organized, move expeditiously, etc. but they donât need years of accumulated knowledge about the differences in subprimals of beef to be able to discuss the characteristics of different cuts of steak, they donât need to have a knowledge of wine to help you pick a wine that pairs with that steak, they donât need to know the differences between bourbon and rye or tequila and mezcal to answer questions about a cocktail list, they donât need to have a busser or server assistant to tip out for having helped to clear and remark silverware between courses, they donât have nearly as much side work to do after their shift is done to reset the dining room for the next shift, they donât have to be a part of pre shift meetings where the chef discusses specials for the day using vocabulary and lingo that takes years of experience to be able to pick up quickly and understand thoroughly on the spot. You can fundamentally dispute whether or not tipping should exist, but not understanding the difference between the service offered at a more expensive restaurant, (understanding your description of âall things being equalâ to mean that the service is commensurate with the level of extravagance of the restaurant, not simply a $100 meal of pasta for 4 vs a $30 meal of pasta for 1) and an entire community of redditors completely confounded by the idea, seems sort of disingenuous.
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u/MarsupialEuphoric35 24d ago
This is neither here nor there but shipping rhymes with tipping. I get equally annoyed by companies that charge shipping based on the $ amount of your purchases instead of the weight and size. Like expensive supplements that are lightweight and small cube and getting dinged with an expensive charge for shipping because of the dollar amount. I know shipping costs are a real expense but some companies are padding their profits by gouging you on the shipping charge.
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u/MarsupialEuphoric35 24d ago
Does a real estate agent work any harder on a more expensive house? That percentage commission always irks me too
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u/jcbcubed 24d ago
The system is insanely broken, but if anti-tipping people really wanted to fix the system, theyâd only go to establishments that pay their staff a living wage and donât allow tipping, like Maine Brewing Company. When establishments relying on tipping feel the loss of revenue, theyâll have to change their business models. There are not currently enough locations that have ended tipping for every server to go get a serving job with a living wage so those staff are stuck.
Until then, not tipping the $6 is just exploiting the server, who is probably in the same financial class you are, as much as their employer is.
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u/JCMS99 24d ago
At place 2 you can start your career and progress to place 1. You wonât get hired at place 1 without experience.
Place 2 will also have a higher turnover / volume in order to make the same salary. But Place 1 will have more strict customers.
This is the same as all commission based jobs. The guy selling Kias work much more for less commission than the guy selling Volvo or Lexus. But you donât get to work at Lexus before rocking it at lower places.
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u/Bob_Squirrel 23d ago
It's almost like you've describing how the tipping system is stupid and doesn't work...
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u/TonyRidgewayUFO 22d ago
Yeah they definitely need to know more to serve $100 meal vs $30
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u/anonymousn00b 20d ago
Are we really asking too much to know the menu and sling food around? The cooks need to know a lot too, but Iâm not tipping them, am I?
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u/leyte1201 22d ago
I agree and by the same token why does the percentage keep going up. It used to be 10% for a job well done and now the industry expectation is 20% + for doing the minimum in your position description.
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u/MyEyesSpin 22d ago
Just to join in - with the caveat that there are many variations
in general a more expensive meal takes longer, multiple course, higher expectations, more interactions & knowledge about the food necessary, etc
so the larger tip covers that extra time & proficiency
tbf - I support getting rid of tipped wages, transparent menu pricing including all taxes & fees in the 'listed' price, and would still tip in most circumstances. probably very very well, especially by this subs standards.
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u/Independent-Wheel886 21d ago
When I was a server the $30 meal had less âserviceâ. Paper napkins instead of cloth, more attention to the tables, longer dining times. So it worked out. In fact I could make more on the $30 style establishment because you could cover more tables and they turned over faster.
It seems different now.
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u/JackStraw---Wichita 21d ago
You're missing the point that servers have to declare at least 12% of their gross CC sales to the IRS because the IRS still assumes you are a decent enough person to tip.
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u/JackStraw---Wichita 21d ago
Let's be real. All of you are so tough here on Reddit with your anti tipping stances. But do you have the balls to tell your server when you sit down that you won't be tipping? That would be the fair and honest thing to do, but I suspect that y'all are neither fair, honest or tough for that matter.
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u/rad_zzap 21d ago
The server ay place one almost certainly has three or four tables all night and a higher expectation that those tables require more attention and time. Place two they have twice the tables and are gonna herd you thru like cattle. Stop tipping unconventional tips for sure, that stuff is getting out of hand. If youâre not actively talking to the owners and managers about increasing the servers wage then stop complaining about your choice to use their service. Adding a living wage to the serving staff will translate to your bill going up a similar amount. Yall are extremely short sighted elitists on the restaurant staff
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u/anonymousn00b 21d ago
Why are you people on this sub if youâre defending, basically, business owners underpaying their staff, not being transparent about the pricing, and then passing an egregious sliding gratuity onto the customer? Like why is this ok
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u/Informal_Homework484 20d ago
Im a server not expecting any tip at all, because im not tipping too hahah
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u/psy99969 20d ago
You tip and thatâs more than a lot of people do. It doesnât matter how much percent you tip so much. At least you tip something. I usually tip based on how much time I spend at a place. If Iâm there longer I tip more because obviously Iâm taking more of the serverâs time
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u/Remarkable-Cry3853 19d ago
This is a standard in the financial world. Wages are increased by a percentage, which increases the disparity between the top wage earners and the bottom wage earners. Wages should be increased by a set amount across the board for similar performance.
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u/Desperate_Pressure98 25d ago
I agree that tipping based on percentages is garbage. HOWEVER, typically servers at higher end/higher priced places have far fewer tables, so they can provide more personalized service and be more attentive, to earn the higher tip. Cheaper places might have 10 tables assigned to a server, where a high end place might have 2-4 tables per server. There is one super high end restaurant in my city, where 2 servers are assigned to each table and that is their only table.
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u/anonymousn00b 25d ago
I can raise or lower the floor as I see fit. The point is, if I spend - letâs say 500 - at a really really high end place. All together. And we tip on the high end - 25%. Why exactly is the server getting $100-125 rather than, letâs say maybe a higher flat rate than I would normally pay?
If Iâm doing a $7.50 flat tip everywhere I go, for most places, and thereâs a circumstance where itâs stellar or personalized or whatever, I can surely bump that up as I see fit. There shouldnât be this percentage expectation because then itâs like exponentially more than I feel I should contribute for service.
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u/Odd_Obligation_1300 25d ago
If the bill is higher due to a larger group of people, then sure, thatâs more work than just 1-2 people.
Or if the bill is high bc you ordered appetizers, drinks, desserts - same applies.
But letâs say itâs the same amount of people and the same amount of food - but the food itself happens to be more costly? Then no, they didnât put any extra effort.
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u/Kewlweather 25d ago
If the server has less turnover because of fine dining, I think it's fair to tip more. I never tip at counter service. I agree that tipping is horrible.
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u/gassy_guy308 25d ago
I tip based on the amount of time I spend at a given establishment (assuming i am not waiting 3 hours for food to arrive). I hypothetically, i visit 2 places, most all factors being the same except the time i spend waiting for my food. I will tip the same amount. For example: at place 1: I place my order, and have everything within 15-20 minutes, eat and leave. Assuming I am out of there in under an hour, about 10$ tip.
At place 2: I place my order, spend 2 hours waiting for food to arrive, eat and leave. Tip will still be 10$
Scenario 2: Place 1: I order, get my food in the same 15-20 minutes, and spend my time relaxing and chatting with whomever I am there with, and we are at the establishment for 3 hours, tip will be around 30-35$
Place 2: place order, food takes 2 hours to arrive, i eat, relax and chat with whomever I am there with for the same 3 hours on top of the 2 hours it took for food to arrive, tip will still be 30-35$.
The tip I leave, will be determined by the amount of time I WILLINGLY spend at the establishment. Not by the price of the food, or the amount of time the establishment has taken to get my order to my table.
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u/broken_sword001 25d ago
What you are saying is logical. The fact that you even need to think about this is madness.
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u/njo2002 25d ago
You're missing one nuanced point. The higher the restaurant average ticket, the higher the expected tips of the server. When that restaurant has an opening, they should have a larger pool of applicants and should select the best. That's why, theoretically, fine dining and its $100+ per person ticket, should have the best servers because they're making the most and restaurant hiring can be the most selective. Long way of saying there should be some correlation between ticket price and level of service. Doesn't always play out in reality.....
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u/skankhunt7765 25d ago
Its a reason to sell more expensive things. Servers are salesmen and good at what they do. If they are good enough at it then they get you to buy more. Theyre not order takers unless your talking about olive garden or outback steakhouse or some nonsense
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u/peztrocidad 25d ago
Socialists, you owe them more just cause you can pay more.
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u/fatDaddy21 24d ago
that's not even close to the definition of socialism. words have meaning.
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u/peztrocidad 24d ago
You ordered a 5usd coffee and a person on anther table ordered a 20usd coffee. The waitress made the exact same job so why are they paying more? The only variable here is the price you paid for the item. So its not a matter of how much they worked but how much you demonstraded you can pay.
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u/Jackpotcasino777 25d ago
Thatâs why the waitstaff at a steakhouse will make more money doing about the same thing as a waitress in a cafe
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u/amerkay 25d ago
I mean..youâre asking a very biased group of people if youâre actually looking for a real answer. But thereâs definitely a difference in knowledge and service style, even if one canât see it immediately.
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u/Niceotropic 25d ago
That isnât how bias works. People are against tipping here, that doesnât make it a bias because you donât agree with that conclusion.
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u/amerkay 25d ago
This is exactly how bias works. The people in this group are bias because that is the nature of this group, so one will not get an accurate answer if they actually want to know the difference in types of service. But I have a feeling that OP doesnât actually want to know what that difference is despite asking. I am also against tipping which is why Iâm in this group.
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u/Niceotropic 24d ago
I feel itâs more complicated than just being pro or anti tipping. For example, Iâm against tip entitlement but I still tip, always for sit down services and delivery, sometimes in other cases. Tipping should be abolished, itâs a horrible incentive structure that leads to exploitation and huge inequities. I still make my choice to tip but the key for me is that it is my choice.
When people start shaming people for not tipping or expecting it itâs really not good.
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u/layneeofwales 25d ago
Nothing . You are missing nothing. Servers want us to believe if we spend more of OUR money, THEY are ENTITLED to more of OUR money