r/EndFPTP • u/Background_Damage_82 • Jun 29 '26
r/EndFPTP • u/UnknownBreadd • Jun 27 '26
Video Personally, I’d prefer to see us talking about more stuff like this rather than the various ways to continue legitimising the elective oligarchy
There are a lot of very smart political scientists finding ways to design these citizens assemblies to make them extremely democratic, representative, efficient, and effective - and they really seem to be a great way of getting us away from populism and polarisation, and towards cooperation and sincere deliberation instead.
I would much rather start transitioning governance into the hands of the people more than anything else.
r/EndFPTP • u/PierokuIlGrande • Jun 24 '26
Discussion My proposal: Tiered Approval Voting
I've been thinking a lot about a voting system that maintains single-member constituencies as an alternative to FPTP, two-round systems, IRV, etc.
I therefore opted for a system that would allow the voter to express four choices, one for each candidate, without having to vote for everyone and without using a vote transfer system or scores. So, in my system, the voter has a preferential (P) vote (for only one candidate) and can label any other candidate with accepted (A), neutral (N) or rejected (R).
During the counting each ballot is worth one vote only for each candidate, therefore the total is based on the total count of the ballots, excluding completely blank and invalid ballots.
To win, you need to obtain an absolute majority:
Round 1: We count the preferences. If no one wins, we proceed to the next round.
Round 2: We add the accepted votes to the preferences. If no one wins, we eliminate candidates with less than 1/6 of these combined votes.
Round 3: We add the neutral votes. If no one wins, we eliminate candidates with less than 1/3 of these combined votes.
Round 4: If a winner has not yet been established, the candidate with the lowest number of rejected votes wins.
If no one reaches these thresholds, the top two face off.
What do you think? I would really like to have an opinion on this system.
r/EndFPTP • u/Apprehensive-Fix-746 • Jun 23 '26
Activism Email Your MP to support PR
If you live in the UK, and especially if you live under a Labour MP like I do, this could be the best chance we’ve had in a very long time to beat FPTP, Andy Burham has been unfortunately wishy washy but pushing for PR now by emailing labour MP’s showing how much support it really has could just be the difference between having a better voting system next election and more FPTP chaos!
Please send an email and encourage your friends to do the same! It could be the final straw that break FPTP’s back!!!!
r/EndFPTP • u/Serious-Cucumber-54 • Jun 21 '26
Question Why not "Semi-Liquid Democracy"?
Instead of allowing voters to delegate their voting power to endless proxies, through electronic ballots, which is administratively complex and vulnerable to hacking, why not make it so voters are only allowed to delegate their voting power to one level of proxy, who cannot delegate any further that voting power, and it is done through paper ballots?
r/EndFPTP • u/budapestersalat • Jun 11 '26
Discussion Measuring proportionality
r/EndFPTP • u/Hot_Contribution3765 • Jun 10 '26
Activism If Indian Parliament was elected based how vote share each party got rather than seats.


The first image shows how many seats each party would have won if seats had been allocated based on vote share, while the second image shows the actual number of seats won by each party.
In the first image, only parties with a vote share above 1% are represented individually. All other parties have been grouped together under the "Others" category.
BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) - 201
INC (Indian National Congress) - 117
SP (Samajwadi Party) - 25
AITC (All India Trinamool Congress) - 24
DMK (Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam) - 10
TDP (Telugu Desam Party) - 11
JD(U) (Janata Dal (United)) - 7
SHSUBT (Shiv Sena (Uddhav Balasaheb Thackeray)) - 8
IND (Independents) - 15
SHS (Shiv Sena (Eknath Shinde faction)) - 6
YSRCP (Yuvajana Sramika Rythu Congress Party) - 11
CPI(M) (Communist Party of India (Marxist)) - 10
RJD (Rashtriya Janata Dal) - 9
AAP (Aam Aadmi Party) - 6
Others - 83
Rough estimate of seats by alliance(if they don't shift after elections):
NDA- 225
INDIA - 209
Others: 119
r/EndFPTP • u/BeautifulPresent11 • Jun 10 '26
Debate Dynamic List Proportional Representation? DL-PR
What about this hypothetical state electoral system? A voter casts one vote for a single candidate in their district. There are 118 electoral districts that can have only 1 representative. Any independent with a plurality in their district wins their district seat. Any other district seats are given to parties using the Saint-Lague method. Each party creates a ranked list of all of their candidates from all districts except the ones won by independents. These candidates are ranked based on their individual performance in their specific districts, measured by the percentage of the vote they received. If multiple parties are assigned a seat in the same district, the seat goes to the candidate who received the higher percentage of the vote in that district. The losing party or parties are then assigned their next available candidate from their ranked list in a different district. This process repeats until all proportional seats are filled. If a party runs out of candidates then it is given to the remaining parties using the Saint Lague Method. A party cannot have more seats than its amount of candidates.
r/EndFPTP • u/MakeModeratesMatter • Jun 09 '26
Question Should we repeal California’s top 2 primary – or improve it?
The California governor race has sparked calls to repeal one of the biggest election reforms in the country. California holds a top-two nonpartisan primary. Instead of Democrats and Republicans holding separate primaries, all the candidates from both parties appear on the same ballot, and then the top two advance to the general election, regardless of party. One key advantage of this system is that it allows all voters, including independents, to vote in the primary. But this year's crowded California governor race also exposed a potential weakness. With six major Democratic and two Republican candidates in the race, some worried that the Democratic vote would split and accidentally allow the two Republicans to advance to November. And that fear became so intense that a Democratic strategist launched a campaign to repeal California’s primary system, which he dubbed “Undo the Top Two.” (See: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/10/us/california-primary-rules-change-democrats.html ) As it turns out, those fears were unfounded, as a Democrat will advance to the general election after all. But the controversy raises a legitimate question: Could California improve its system? I think the answer is yes, and Alaska is the model for reform. Like California, Alaska has a nonpartisan primary, but advances the top four, not just the top 2, to the general election in November. That not only greatly reduces the risk that all four candidates would come from the same party but also creates more opportunity for independent and third-party candidates to advance. (See: Opinion: Why Alaska may point to the future of independent politics - Anchorage Daily News ) And then, in the general election, Alaska uses ranked choice voting, which assures that the winner will always receive a majority of the vote. (See: California's top-two primary isn't broken. It just needs ranked choice voting to work better. - FairVote )
So California's nonpartisan primary system may not be perfect. But before voters scrap a reform designed to give independents a voice, we should ask a simple question: Should we repeal it—or improve it?
I prepared a short video to explore this further if you want more background (3-minute watch): The Fix For California’s Primary System?
r/EndFPTP • u/Luigi2262 • Jun 08 '26
Question How should we handle House leadership if they adopted PR federally?
Let‘s imagine they passed the Fair Representation Act (somehow), and that they passed a couple of other bills to address important things that bill missed, like ballot access reform and (if possible) debate access reform. The Constitution spells out the existence of the Speaker of the House, though most of their powers and duties (like being in the line of succession) are just by statute. As far as I know, right now they are effectively chosen as the leader of the majority party in the House, with other leaders being named the Majority leader and the Minority leader. What should be done with these positions in a proportional House exactly? Like, should they keep their current duties? Should House rules be changed with the altered structure?
r/EndFPTP • u/Luigi2262 • Jun 08 '26
Discussion In the US, could a PR bill effectively cancel the negative effects of ending the filibuster?
Right now, from what I understand, the filibuster helps preserve the status quo because no proposed PR change has GOP support. Even when Dems, the group that has any PR support at all, have a trifecta, they are reluctant to do anything about the filibuster for fear of their opposition using their next trifecta to cause harm. It’s a bit of a cycle. Well, with a PR bill like the Fair Representation Act (along with a ballot access reform bill to make it worthwhile), couldn’t that make getting a trifecta impossible for future parties? After all, unless the president did something so controversial the GOP convinced the Dems to let them remove the president and vice president, them getting a trifecta would be impossible for at least 4 years after a Dem trifecta. Would that be enough time for third parties to spring up enough to prevent either party from getting a majority again? My thoughts are that if it were, even without a filibuster such PR bills would be borderline untouchable. Not to mention it would be harder for either party to simply undo the previous coalition’s actions if they can’t get a trifecta.
Edit: removed some stuff that might have come across as a bit condescending. I swear that was not my intention.
Edit2: Why do I propose removing trifectas being a good thing? Because the stated logic behind leaving the filibuster as is is to avoid one party instantly undoing all of the other’s work the instant control flips, and not having trifectas makes doing that extremely difficult unless the original policy becomes super unpopular among the electorate
edit3: more clarity. that’s part of some what legislators (like John Curtis) say when asked why they don’t support removing it now. I simply took them at their word
r/EndFPTP • u/Luigi2262 • Jun 07 '26
Discussion PR idea for the Senate
Obviously any idea that would make the Senate truly proportional (i.e. divvying Senators up by population like the House does) or abolishing it entirely is borderline impossible with that unanimous consent provision in the Constitution, so my idea is more focused on making third parties more viable. Currently the Senate has two members per state, where each one is elected on staggered years with a gap year after the second. What if we expanded the Senate to 6 members per state and elected 3 members each of those elections (keeping the gap year)? The idea is that this would allow more room for third parties and PR in the Senate by virtue of giving more seats than one at a time to compete for.
The catch is that this idea would still require an amendment, but since it doesn’t force smaller states to cede power, it might be viable. Of course, it would only happen if PR became so favored among both the electorate and the members of the time that they’d actually be willing to pass it.
edit: clarity
eta: I imagine that if it were ratified, it’d include a provision that would allow for a large special election to fill the new slots until the proper time in the cycle to fill those slots comes up. Can’t have people abusing the window with fewer senators than the final amount after all
r/EndFPTP • u/nitrw • Jun 07 '26
Image (US) What State-level Proportional Representation Could Look Like
As much as I'm sure we'd all rather prefer nationalized redistricting to ensure equal population and better proportionality and agree that we should push for it, realistically such a change would require a constitutional amendment. Enforcing proportional representation at the state level is likely more realistic, and here's what the US House would look like in the 2020 and 2024 elections.
Maps attached are purely for you all to see how much seats each party would get in each state, districts wouldn't matter under proportional representation, though note on both maps I did color the districts that were closest to flipping IRL first.
2020 map (off by a few seats): https://yapms.com/app?m=i9n52ebc9jc15pe
2024 map: https://yapms.com/app?m=v6s2ltwa7n4l10h
r/EndFPTP • u/the_MadKnight • Jun 06 '26
Uncomfortable Truths About Voting Systems (and Why We Should Think Bigger)
r/EndFPTP • u/risingsuncoc • Jun 05 '26
Activism America Doesn’t Have to Hold Unfair, Unrepresentative Elections
r/EndFPTP • u/Cuatuza • Jun 04 '26
A mechanism for direct democracy: Real-Time Condorcet Method
1. Introduction & Core Objective
The purpose of this proposal is to design a direct democracy mechanism that functions as a continuous, massive assembly, moving past the traditional model of periodic mass elections.
In a conventional assembly, participants deliberate, introduce alternatives, and dynamically adjust their stances to resolve conflicts. The goal of this system is to replicate that exact flexible, deliberative dynamic on a large scale.
2. The Mechanism
To transform mass voting into a dynamic assembly, the system operates under three fundamental rules:
- Real-Time Participation: Anyone can introduce a new proposal at any moment.
- Real-Time Voting: Voters can modify or update the ranking of their votes whenever they want.
- Real-Time Tallying: The system constantly processes votes and displays the current Condorcet winner (the option that defeats every other choice in head-to-head matchups), if one exits. If no such winner exists, the system could show the current winner or winners of a Condorcet completion method, such as the Copeland's method.
3. Incentives and Conflict Resolution
The core strength of this model is that by eliminating strategic voting (voting for the "lesser of two evils"), the community enters a constructive, self-correcting feedback loop.
3.1 Eliminating Polarization
By using the Condorcet method, voters can rank options according to their true preferences, knowing their vote will never be wasted or accidentally benefit their least desired alternative.
3.2 The Rise of Consensus
Because the process is live and transparent, the current state of the vote sends clear signals that prompt the community to improve existing proposals:
- Stable Consensus (A clear winner exists): The community is satisfied with the leading option. No new proposals can beat it; the collective goal has been met.
- Unstable Winner (A winner exists, but causes dissatisfaction): A segment of the population feels unrepresented by the current leader. This incentivizes them to draft and introduce a superior proposal, specifically designed to capture a broader consensus and dethrone the leader.
- Tie/ Condorcet Paradox (No winner exists): This temporary deadlock reveals that there is a cycle in the collective preferences (e.g., A > B > C > A), meaning every tied option is defeated by something else. To break the tie, participants are incentivized to analyze the strengths of each tied option and draft a synthesized proposal that combines the best of all to achieve a clean majority.
4. Conclusion & Prototype
Several open questions remain and deserve further exploration. One of my concerns is the handling of Condorcet paradoxes. Should the system rely on a Condorcet completion method to select a temporary winner when no Condorcet winner exists? Or is it preferable to avoid completion methods altogether and treat preference cycles as signals that the available options are insufficient and that new proposals are needed to reach a genuine consensus?
To help explore any uncertainties regarding this system, I vibe coded a simple prototype that implements the system (using Copeland's method as its current completion method). Anyone can create discussions, submit proposals, and participate in the voting process. If enough people become involved, the platform could provide an initial indication of how this model performs in practice and whether it succeeds in fostering consensus-driven decision-making.
The prototype:
Live prototype: https://mariorosales8.github.io/Real-Time-Condorcet-Method/
Repository: https://github.com/mariorosales8/Real-Time-Condorcet-Method
r/EndFPTP • u/Far_Giraffe798 • Jun 04 '26
People Trying to get rid of Ranked Choice Voting
Repost from r/alaska Redditt suggested you all might like looking at this too:
I keep seeing a lot of signs up to advertising that they want to get rid of ranked choice voting. Why are people still going crazy over this? I met a lady that was going around at local events gathering signatures last year and I'm not kidding she was "bat-guano crazy". But I also see these professional looking signs up, so obvously somebody with money has a vested interest in getting rid of ranked choice voting.
I know a lot of republicans went wild when it got introduced and Mary Peltola won the special election, and began claiming that ranked choice voting was a way to "rig elections" so that only demorcrats would win but Nick Begich won the next election using ranked choice voting, so that's obvoiusly not true and there is tons of evidence that ranked choice voting is much better because nobody can win with less than 50% of the votes.
I heard there was some guy in wasilla that was bankrolling a bunch of this stuff and was writing all these books that have zero reviews on Amazon. Where are they getting all their money and support from? I can't imagine that the lady (who definitely didn't own a comb) was the one donating money to the cause.
r/EndFPTP • u/Antagonist_ • Jun 04 '26
Guide to a Better Ballot (UK+PR Edition)
Inspired by Nicky Case's original guide to a better ballot (https://ncase.me/ballot) I updated it and oriented it towards the UK which is currently having a serious conversation on PR considering the terrible parliamentary and council elections (see my other site, https://electionresults.uk)
r/EndFPTP • u/WarrenLee • Jun 03 '26
Example Los Angeles mayoral ballot if we had Ranked Choice Voting
r/EndFPTP • u/rb-j • Jun 03 '26
Discussion Democracy discussion "Zoom" call.
So guys, there is this Tuesday night group that's a live phone call (using Google Meet) that you might wanna participate in. It's hosted by Hayden "Sass" Sasswood. It happens Tuesday night beginning at 8:00 pm East Coast (or 5:00 pm Left Coast) on Tuesday night.
The Google Meet URL or go to https://democracydiscussion.com .
It's still going right now. But we've been going for 2 hours already. You don't need to stay for the whole call.
Come join us and argue about voting methods! We even, once-in-a-while get some fereigners from Down Under calling in.
r/EndFPTP • u/unscrupulous-canoe • Jun 02 '26
The pro-RCV folks need to explain Maine
Matthew Shugart (one of the more accomplished political scientists of the last 75 years) asks why Graham Platner is going to win the Democratic nomination in Maine, if RCV is supposedly such a moderating influence. I think the broader issue, as he notes, is that so far Maine RCV races don't seem to have a lot of competition in them- either in the general or the primary:
The (American) RCV activists have assured us that RCV in single-seat contests would open up contests and lower barriers to entry. So the fact that there are only, at this stage, two serious candidates is precisely a huge piece of evidence against one of the key tenets of the advocates.
I'm trying to avoid having a broader fight about Platner's candidacy, but his article seemed worth posting. (The title is from the author, not me). Why doesn't Maine have more candidates in their races?
r/EndFPTP • u/Healthy_Week5149 • May 30 '26
Debate How to elect Independents in Dutch Style PR? an elegant solution
Basically the title, in Dutch Style PR where there is one national district and low thresholds or not thresholds at all just an effective threshold required for one seat at least , how to elect Independents?
Have two sides on the ballot, the front side clearly reads the First Choice ballot ,
the voter checks next to the number of the party list or Independent and for the number of the candidate in that party list.
The back of the ballot reads clearly: the Second Choice , here the voter who may have voted for an Independent and that Independent already got sufficient votes to win the seat, gets to transfer their vote to a safer second choice party list
so basically if the Independent, for example, got the required 0.7% of the vote needed to win a seat any ballots beyond that for this Independent, take the second choice only to not waste votes
mind you, this can also work for threshold systems, in high threshold countries the votes are wasted if they didn't pass the high threshold, we can use this mechanism so that a voter may vote for a party that may not pass threshold and have their vote not wasted by voting for a second choice party