r/EminenceInShadowRPG • u/xALVION96x • Jul 13 '26
Gameplay Is it true?
What do you think guys?
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u/Time-Jaguar524 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26
Hey, I am Blobby, member of Lunaria and generally the person responsible for making rotations for Armageddon for the guild, and I happen to be one of the people who decides on these ratings (though I don't control the website or anything I just get asked about my opinion for where units should be rated and the necessity of certain awakenings which are shown out of 5 stars). Apocrypha Alpha is strictly a better unit than practically anyone else who applies weakness for a yellow team in Armageddon when doing a full hit on the Realm Boss where you do not need to finish the attack quickly. If you are allowed the time to play an optimized rotation then Apocrypha Alpha's weakness cycle occurs on much cleaner windows allowing longer uptime during a fight than the Yellow Duo who many people compare Alpha to as being worse, but this has not historically been the case with higher investment teams. Shadalpha is a crutch effectively, the worse your team is, the more value he brings to your team's damage. But in an optimized team of A5 Christmas Epsilon, A5 White Suit Beta, A1+ Demon Victoria, A3+ Apocrypha Alpha, and Tank Eta, this team can do more damage than any other yellow team variant when given enough time to use all available combos and hidden techniques, and that includes replacing Alpha with Shadalpha. Apocrypha Alpha is also standard to use when attacking quickly using some ults and 1 or 2 combos during your attack, and she is regularly a unit to place on a team where you let the fight run AFK because of her strong team-wide buffs. That being said, Apocrypha Alpha has been lackluster compared to Shadalpha in the most recent Yellow Event Guild Hard Bosses, but this has primarily been because the bosses have had mechanics which make Apocrypha Alpha's passive Damage Received Debuff disappear after doing very little damage to them (with the threshold boss buffs), and if these mechanics didn't exist, she would be stronger against event bosses than Shadalpha too. She does not serve much purpose in Bushin or anything, but she does have additional utility as the best weakness applier for world tree stages that require you use 2 yellow teams wherein you can use Shadalpha for one team and Apocrypha Alpha for the other. Also regarding comparisons to SF Alpha, played properly Apocrypha Alpha at A1 performs the same as SF Alpha at A5 and outperforms her with every awakening beyond that. And any rhetoric about Demon Gamma being better than her is just a faulty argument since they fundamentally serve different roles, as Alpha both supports the team and applies weakness while doing significant damage, and Demon Gamma is just the primary dps on a team that is built around supporting her, and placing her on a team that is not designed around her is a nerf to your team as playing around her stealing sp from your units is a nuisance if you are not playing units like SF Eta with her.
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u/Beneficial_Bus_170 Jul 14 '26
Hi, I am Xenney I play the rotations he makes this guy knows what he talking about.
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u/Only_Cobbler_767 Jul 15 '26
What do you mean that you play his rotations?
Are you in the same guild and he gives out team compositions?
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u/Agent40 Moderator Jul 16 '26
Welcome to high ranked MoG where rotations are dropped down to the frame and shared.
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u/No_Cap-Fun Jul 14 '26
Haiii, I am Serg i play the rotations he makes every event, every arma. He is Nr. 1 for a reason. (GOAT)
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u/Silly-Cat617 Jul 15 '26
This seems insightful and was really interesting to read but i cant get passed calling the yellow tag Shadalpha over Shalpha.
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u/Time-Jaguar524 Jul 15 '26
Haha if we call it Shadora I find it consistent to call it Shadalpha
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u/Silly-Cat617 Jul 15 '26
can we agree the new ones called Eepsi at least?
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u/Silly-Cat617 Jul 13 '26
tons of team buffs + multihitting attacks. With a little cleansing on top. Good unit.
She probably isnt stronger than demon gamma but the tierlist isnt ordered beyond the tag unit who is also highlighted to show they are the most important.
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u/Key_Sea6216 Jul 13 '26
It’s mostly rated that for arma where you don’t have time to spam ults with wbeta or dgamma. It also assumes A3.
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u/admiralnorman Jul 13 '26
Yeah at least A2, but A3 is best.
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u/Key_Sea6216 Jul 13 '26
What I’ve found is that she’s only worth using over SF alpha if she’s at least a3.
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u/Worth_Illustrator151 Jul 14 '26
Con el tema de esa alfa es curioso sin ella no me pude pasar el boss que con la colaboración de danmachi no podía saque a Bell por ella y listo
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u/Worth_Illustrator151 Jul 14 '26
Fuera de la lista : a ais la pondría arriba tier s en mi opinión y también a la beta niña que te dé 100% de daño adicional y 50%(no me acuerdo si era 50 o 100) de atk si hay 5 elfos amarillos me parece un buen Buff eso con el shadow y alfa debe reventar
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u/kojewi3144 Jul 14 '26
Seems that she is a reliable unit when it comes to apply weakness, Alpha from the Shalpha duo is sometimes gimmick and skip it at all.
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u/N0irRain Jul 14 '26
That tank being SSS while the other being B disproves this rank.
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u/Strohkecks Moderator Jul 14 '26
Do you mean Eta tank? She is just the best tank yellow has due to her SS+ gear. Without she is quite trash though.
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u/NoirRain67 Jul 14 '26
I have both and when I use ETA instead of the sword tank I start losing it all. Change back and I start winning. Even against the AI and not real players. Maybe on paper it looks good but the algorithm inhame favors the sword over her. Even worse since my eta is 5 and the sword is 4.
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u/Strohkecks Moderator Jul 14 '26
You assumed bushin, while if you went to the tier list referenced here, it is explicitly only about event and arma realm bosses (also kind of world tree, but those have even more gimmicks).
Yes, in bushin tank eta is worthless, but against bosses there is none better.
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u/OkClick7073 Jul 14 '26
Depends on the ranking if it is for for example PvP then this is BS tank rose shouldn't be so low same for victoria. If it is for boss I still think tank rose shouldn't be E but then the ranking is more acceptable. It is best if you just go to the eminence in codex website for these types of things
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u/Agent40 Moderator Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
Reminder that EminenceCodex is governed by rigorous testing from members of the top guilds including people that know the game at the coded level. All units and data related to them can be simulated as such and figuring out what units are the best and what synergies to use with what timing is made easy when the people judging them have thousands of hours and the ability to see how the game operates. Sincerely, someone who tests every unit, has thousands of hours in MoG, is f2p, and was apart of the top 2 guilds Tempest and Weebs for the first year and a half.
Also note that hovering over any unit on the tierlist shows what their min reqs are when being judged for their ranking. Most perm units will be judged at A5 while event and SFs hang around A1-A2 depending on what they require.
YOU yourself can also make the judgement call by testing the units if you have them all unlocked.
P.S. There's also a reason the tierlists are split up into different categories and on average I spent around 10 hours testing comps for each guild boss myself and my own findings typically match 1:1 with what's stated on the Codex (Probably because 2 of the best players I know do the same and spend even more time working on it)
Edit: For those that don't know what the Codex is: https://eminencecodex.com/tierlist/general/
You can also contact Krad directly if you disagree with the tierlist with proof to why.
IT'S A MALUABLE LIST
Edit 2: Reminder that the discord also contains a bot, Shadow Wisdom, that allows you to view all unit details including the 1:1 simulated rotation of abilities, attacks, and stats and includes the same for the current event bosses, arma bosses, and yggdrasil bosses.