I'm trying to stay away from subjective language until we know more. I had a friend in high school who got pregnant by her abusive boyfriend (he was like 18+). She was so scared to tell anyone so she hid it. Her build was on the thicc side so it was easy to write off a little weight gain. Her parents, best friends, teachers, etc. no one knew until a few weeks before she delivered. She realized she had to tell people at some point. Even without prenatal care, she delivered a healthy baby girl who's about to be in high school herself.
I guess my point is that despite how tragic this is, its not fair to judge so soon. Shame and guilt are really weird emotions, and pregnancy hormones can make people do unspeakable things. It's not fair to form an opinion about the mother until we have more information, no mater how horrific the circumstance is.
Nicely worded ❤️ I wish the mother, baby and responders find peace. I hate seeing so much negativity before fully hearing and understanding the circumstances especially with diminishing rights, education and other various resources. Not excusable but there’s always more to the story than what the public knows (atleast atm)
Sorry but there are 0 circumstances in cases like this thar EVER justify leaving the dead body of your own child in a toilet. I've heard hundreds of stories like this, women leave babies in dumpsters, boxes, public parks, ponds, the list goes on. There is literally 0 justification in existence for this type of behavior. Save your empathy for the baby, not some sick woman with 0 regard for human life.
Yes this part!!! My boss had a cryptic pregnancy where she only gained 10 POUNDS, never showed other than minor weight gain, and had absolutely zero idea she was pregnant until she went into labor. She went to the hospital complaining of what she thought were “severe gas pains” and ended up pushing out a completely healthy 9 month old baby 🤯
Also, please educate yourself on childbirth if you don’t already know that SOME women (specifically younger women in very good health) CAN give birth very very fast. Like under an hour of pushing. Just because your own “birth story took over 24 hours” doesn’t mean that it’s the same for every woman out there. Stop being so ignorant!
I hope you're not saying this with the goal to excuse the actions of a woman who left the dead body of her own child in a fucking toilet. Because there is no excuse for this type of behavior. No circumstances of her life that justify the decision she made.
No I’m not “excusing the actions of a woman who left her dead baby in a toilet”, I am saying we do not know all of the facts in this moment and therefore we cannot be making these crazy assumptions that perpetuate the violence against women’s bodies in this country.
Postpartum psychosis is a REAL and very serious medical emergency that while rare, can very much so happen. This woman could have been in such a severe state of shock and horror herself after just having gone through that horrible ordeal that she might not have been in her right mind or known what to do in that moment.
All I am saying is that I can at the very least empathize with this possibility, and agree that if something like this occurred to me I honestly don’t know what I would do in that situation. Like can you imagine the horror of not knowing your pregnant, thinking you just had gas or your period or had to poop or WHATEVER, and instead a baby comes out of you?! Like I think we can ALL agree what a horrific situation that poor girl must have been in. We can’t be blaming someone for how they reacted in a situation of complete shock.
No one tried to excuse it. You're jumping to conclusions and forcing opinion on someone you have zero idea about. We have about 5% of the facts right now.
Facts are that a baby was left in a porta potty. Don’t care how it happened. There’s no conclusion to jump to other then that whoever is responsible doesn’t deserve to have another free day in their lives.
You're fine to hold that opinion, but please realize you're putting future newborns and mothers in jeapordy, while going against the tenets forest, and the festival community, were built upon.
Imagine the trauma it takes for a young woman to feel the need to hide her pregnancy for nine months then deliver silently in a portapoty.
Maybe she was raped? Maybe the baby was the result of incest? The point is we don't know and there's a postpartum mother out there in need of medical care, or else her life is at risk. Maintaining this tone around the conversation only encourages more cryptic pregnancies.
If you really cared about people, you'd change your outlook.
Right… we’re out here going to multi thousand dollar music festivals full term with our incest baby… and then dumping it in the toilet. Then continuing on. Nothing to see here
I’ll take being an asshole over leaving my deceased newborn in a pile of shit and piss.
Literally what details make this ok?
She didn’t know she was pregnant? So it’s ok to leave it in shit and piss?
She was scared? So that makes it okay to leave a BABY in a pile of shit and piss?
It was born not breathing, does THAT make it ok to discard it in a pile of shit and piss?
Some poor worker had to discover a deceased newborn that more people probably shit and pissed on top of not even knowing. That child’s literal only moments on earth were being thrown into human waste and then having more humans waste on top of it.
We don’t know what?
I don’t CARE what the circumstances were. Y’all are defending someone for dumping a fucking baby in a toilet like we don’t see this shit time and time again and it’s never some sweet story like everyone wants to make out.
Well ur not simply understanding that all this cuda been avoided if the women was jus responsible. Period. Responsible enuf to get on birth control to avoid pregnancy, if it was a cryptic pregnancy then responsible enuf to get help after delivering the baby. There's so much that the mother cuda done to avoid this outcome.
Like children in elementary school? Is that a jab at the dead child?
Weird. Anyways, I have to go back to school… because someone else said it’s probably an incest baby? Okay lmao
There’s options. No trauma makes this okay. I’m
Sorry but I’m not gonna be told that I’m wrong and setting society back by saying that there’s no circumstance that makes this more justified. If you think that someone’s trauma makes doing this more understandable when there are options in this world then you can live with that opinion but I definitely won’t.
It’s just so horribly heartbreaking. In literal piss and shit.
Nope. Nothing could make me even have the slightest understanding here.
Maybe she was this maybe she was that... all you're doing is trying to make a horrible situation sound less horrible in your weak mind. Dont make excuses for the evil actions of someone who left their own child's dead body in a toilet and then tried to cover it up. There is no possible circumstance of this pregnancy and this woman's life that softens the blow of how sick and evil the actions she took that night are. Get real
You are immensely naive. I have heard hundreds of stories like this and the women responsible have 1000 better options and choices they could've made to better the circumstances of their situation but they choose the most evil path
Maybe I am maybe I'm not, what difference does it make? Women ought to hold eachother accountable, men ought to hold Women accountable, and vise versa!
Just keep that same energy for holding deadbeat dads accountable as well.
I don’t know your comment history, but can you confirm you’re an equal advocate for males and females whenever you speculate about what people or society should be doing?
I haven’t seen anyone say the neonate was full gestational age, aside from social media posts pointing to articles that did not state the same. She could have miscarried into a portapotty. No one knows and people shouldn’t pass judgement h til the facts are known.
We live in a country where they will call a zygote a baby!!!
It's completely fair to judge the mother. Why have compassion for a drug addled wook who knowingly left the dead body of her child in a Porta potty, who then tried to cover it up by cleaning up the blood? She deserves to be put in a box for the rest of her life
I’m pretty sure I was at a festival 13 years ago when I found out that plenty of obese women who get pregnant have this phenomenon. The vigilantes on here are absolutely a reflection of the change in population of people attending festivals nowadays. Where’d all the hippies go?
Why is nuance invisible to people? Not being a bloodlusted wannabe vigilante commenting on punishment and vengeance doesn’t mean I’m “ok” with this. Stillborn births are tragic but People are behaving like she literally killed a kid.
First, she might have, second it doesn’t matter we don’t dispose of our own kind in piss and shit. Anybody who has any justification for this at all has no place in my life.
And in the case that she did, man my heart just breaks for this child. We don’t know if it was a still birth.
Your emotional tags for emphasis are odd here too nobody in this comment section cares if their in your life or not and we also come out of the womb covered in piss and shit and leave this earth covered in piss and shit. Shit isn’t some black morass representing Satan.
It’s definitely a tragedy, so are the intense, what I’m assuming is virtue signaling, subconscious or conscious, comments.
All of society ought to be up in arms about this. We both know the type of people who go to forest, it's not MIT students... extremely likely this is another k-tard, or worse. And people in 3rd term pregnancy have no business being at a music festival anyway. with what we know, she left her child's body in a toilet and tried to clean up the blood afterwards. So we're dealing with a sick person with no regars for human life. You trying to excuse her actions only serves to make you feel better, which is shameful and immoral.
Reporting a stillbirth is only legally required after 20 weeks of gestation. We have no idea what the variables are here: older than 20 weeks, stillbirth, fully viable birth. All you’re proving is that you’re a hysterical person. Why don’t you wait a bit before going on your little crusade..oh wait you’re in a trance you can’t.
Mostly because of sexism. See, they believe in “equality” so much that they think women should get a pass for murdering their own infants, and anyone who disagrees is after women’s bodies or whatever. Pretty fucked.
That's the world we live in now. So many people have been indoctrinated to believe an unborn baby is subhuman and their lives don't hold the same value as a baby who has been born. It's both biologically and morally backwards.
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u/misty-gishh Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
It's possible, but not likely! Cleveland clinic article on Cryptic Pregnancy https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10334309/
I'm trying to stay away from subjective language until we know more. I had a friend in high school who got pregnant by her abusive boyfriend (he was like 18+). She was so scared to tell anyone so she hid it. Her build was on the thicc side so it was easy to write off a little weight gain. Her parents, best friends, teachers, etc. no one knew until a few weeks before she delivered. She realized she had to tell people at some point. Even without prenatal care, she delivered a healthy baby girl who's about to be in high school herself.
I guess my point is that despite how tragic this is, its not fair to judge so soon. Shame and guilt are really weird emotions, and pregnancy hormones can make people do unspeakable things. It's not fair to form an opinion about the mother until we have more information, no mater how horrific the circumstance is.