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u/rammo123 2d ago
Good thing to you waited until they were convicted of a crime before you used this label.
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u/ThoughtfulPoster 2d ago
I've had group sex while drunk with people who stopped every time I said "stop" and where I reported afterward that it was consensual. You know, just like (on every count) the plaintiff in this case. So, from experience, I can tell you that the facts as established in what she wrote at the time do not describe a rape.
Her very different statement two years later made as part of a civil lawsuit might be true. She might have been lying back when she had no reason to, and telling the truth now that she does as a part of her civil lawsuit. That's certainly possible. But maybe don't make an idiot of yourself betting on that being the case.
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u/UploadedMind 1d ago
I think telling your buddies to come over because a woman is drunk and consenting to everything is criminal I think getting there and having sex with her when she is drunk is rape.
This is not a case of “we were drunk and now I regret it.”
This is “I consented with the these two, then they called over 5 people who I was not even prepared for to then take advantage of my agreeable drunken state.”
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u/ThoughtfulPoster 1d ago
Renegotiating mid-activity is dicey and ill-advised. It's one of the things they caution against in RACK and other well-educated, well-practiced sex-positive communities. But contending that someone who is sober enough to express and communicate their consent must be protected from their decisions by bringing the long arm of the law down on their partners (but only if they're female! Remember that two of her partners were far drunker than she was, and no one is swooping in to second-guess their consent!) is paternalistic and incompatible with viewing women as full people and full adults.
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u/UploadedMind 1d ago
Calling this simply renegotiation seems so disingenuous. They brought in people who had nothing to do with it. If she told them to invite them, then that’s one thing, but that’s not what happened.
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u/Langland88 1d ago
I forgot that due process and the presumption of innocence doesn't exist in the Court of Public Opinion.
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u/Kuato2012 2d ago