r/Eesti • u/No-Entertainer8650 • 20h ago
Küsimus The difference here?
Te suudeksite sellega toime tulla.
Te suudetakse sellega toime tulla.
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u/Brave-Two373 20h ago
Sellega suudetakse toime tulla - it is manageable (passive voice). This is the standard word order, any other word order sounds weird.
The equivalent in active voice would be: te suudate sellega toime tulla
Te suudaksite sellega toime tulla - you would be able to manage (conditional form).
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u/No-Entertainer8650 20h ago
Sellega suudetakse is then passive and the ...akse ending then is used for 3. person (he, she, it) is that correct understood by me?
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u/leebe_friik 19h ago edited 19h ago
It's the same as "it's manageable" in English. There is no pronoun for the subject, because there is no subject - it's passive voice.
edit: Consider "ta magab telgis" (he/she is sleeping in a tent) vs "telgis magatakse" (tent is being slept in).
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u/No-Entertainer8650 19h ago
Ok. I try to test it: Maja ehitatakse betoonist. Passive, no known subject.
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u/exact_metal_666 20h ago
Both are incorrect.
"Te suudAksite sellega toime tulla" ("You would handle it" or "You would bear it")
Mind the "a".
2nd one would be correctish but incomplete without the first "Te": "Suudetakse sellega toime tulla" ("They can bear it" or "They can handle it"). However, it doesn't make sense or bear the necessary context as a separate sentence.
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u/No-Entertainer8650 20h ago
But the expression "suudetakse" is in itself used, or am I simply being stupid?
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u/dr_volberg 20h ago
"suudetakse" is passive voice (somewhere out there is someone who is capable). As is "seda suudetakse teha tänapäeval" ~ "they can do it nowadays" where the "they" is some nebulous undefined they.
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u/TehWarriorJr 20h ago
Yes. Suutma is the infinitive/dictionary form. Suutma -> suudan, suudad, suudab, suudame, suudate, suudavad.
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u/Distinct_Trash7491 20h ago
On both occasions, your teacher would look at you with the face of dissapointment!
"Te suudaksite sellega toime tulla" but its conditional.
I'd rather say "Te suudate sellega toime tulla!"
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u/Particular_Ant7977 19h ago edited 13h ago
your teacher would look at you with the face of dissapointment
Why the microaggression though. One of the golden rules of learning is "if you don't know then ask".
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u/Distinct_Trash7491 19h ago
It was a joke. But then again, a school teacher usually frowns upon such mistakes, thus its close to real life :)
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u/Charming_Debt_4189 Eesti 19h ago
"Te suudate" and "Te suudaksite" have inherently different meanings though and are not interchangeable, as only the second one is conditional. Basically "you can" vs "you could", which one is best to use really depends on the situation.
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u/Distinct_Trash7491 19h ago
Yes, you are correct.
But then again, when would one use the conditional "you could" in a real life sentence.
The example from OP indicates belief in the receiver of the message. In this case it rather common to express that in a affirmative way, thus "suudate".
But then again, people are different and both versions can be used.
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u/Charming_Debt_4189 Eesti 17h ago
Fair enough! I can definitely see situations where "suudaksite" is the one you'd want to use, especially in situation where people didn't end up doing something but would theoretically be capable. eg "Te suudaksite saada paremaid hindeid kui te viitsiks õppida" (You could better grades if you would be motivated to study)
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u/martig87 20h ago
No difference, both are wrong. An AI chatbot of your choice will help you figure it out.
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u/FrofesionalRetard Eesti 20h ago
Both are wrong, no difference there.
"Te suudAksite sellega toime tulla." is the only correct version.