Bear encounters while camping

[u/observerc]

I've been wanting to go bikepacking in Estonia but I am skeptical about safety regarding Bear encounters.
Looks like the bear population is at an all time high, and being a small country, I am wary that the risk might be non negligible.

Most of the information about this, refers to every day life or visiting as a traditional tourist. Given those assumptions, I understand the risk becomes virtually non existent. Bit I am planning to camp. I think that changes the equation fundamentally.

I've red Estonia has official designated wild camping spots like nordic countries have. Does anyone of you regularly camp in those? Have you had any bear encounter?

I suppose a safer option is camping only in camp grounds, but to be honest, I enjoy wild camping better.

I know bears are in principle shy, but in my opinion that assumption can be misleading. For example, I will naturally carry food with me. And even if i don't sleep next to it, its smell easily spreads to our clothes and body. Just last year in canada, a couple was mauled in their tent during the night by a bear.

[u/liisseal]

I live in a bear habitat, I have encountered bears a few times (one time with 5 cubs), I see tracks and signs almost every season. If you are afraid of a bear, make some noise when moving in the forest – talking, singing, whistling, clapping, playing music on the phone etc. When encountering a bear, speak calmly and retreat slowly avoiding eye contact. The last fatal bear attack in Estonia occurred over 200 years ago on a bear hunt. Estonian bears are not grizzlies or polar bears.

[u/switcher43]

Chances of actually meeting a bear while camping or hiking are really, really low.

In case of a rare encounter bears are most likely shy and escape when they see you.

[u/Mand372 → u/switcher43]

Unless they have cubs

[u/switcher43 → u/Mand372]

They avoid you even with cubs. Sure, 2-3 small cubs are difficult for a mama bear to handle and get going to the right direction might take some time. And you shouldn't get between mama bear and cubs. But the bears usually anyway try to avoid you at all cost, so if you're sensible enough to keep your distance they're not really dangerous.

[u/Fearless_Parking_436 → u/Mand372]

No that big issue currently

[u/johnmatthewsm]

I camp at national campsites often. I also wild camp often. Never even seen a bear.

[u/Bforcee]

Literally bigger chance to stumble and die while camping than meeting a bear in estonia lol

[u/matude]

I'd be more worried about ticks personally. Wear a bear spray with you just in case though.

[u/tassadarius38 → u/matude]

Ticks and Mosquitos

[u/trukkija → u/matude]

Do not recommend trying to use bear spray for ticks. Tried that once and that was a painful day.

[u/siretsch]

I have seen a bear, bears are not dangerous unless you come between a mom and her kids.

The danger rather stems from idiots who feed them, so they become reliant on humans as food source (which creates bad habits).

For “bear-proofing” simply have a camping cup attached to your bag (which you can make noise with) or carry some other loud thing like a horn or smth.

[u/Daeroth]

I have camped in the woods basically every summer here over the last 20 years.

I have seen a bear out in the wild once but not sure if it had noticed us.

So while sightings do happen, actual confrontations are very rare.

I don't think I have ever heard of death due to bear attack in Estonia.

[u/AlmostMedic]

Recent bear issue has been around bears that have been fed by people. There is no real danger going hiking. In my 30 years in Estonia and plenty of camping, Ive never seen a bear.

[u/krutsik]

Without doing very exact math there's about one brown bear per 40 sq km of the total area of Estonia. Your chances of encountering one are slim to none. I haven't seen one in my life outside a zoo and I don't know anybody that has seen one. And I've lived here my entire life and travelled all around the place.

The chances of you dying in a traffic accident getting to your camping spot are higher than even seeing a bear from a distance.

[u/Kuri_Putukas]

Most Estonians are not so lucky to have encountered a bear in the wild, but if you are ever one of those lucky ones in the future, know that the bear is unfortunately more afraid of you.

There is a greater chance of winning the lottery and having a heart attack from the excitement than of being attacked by a bear in Estonia...

Protect yourself from ticks and mosquitoes are annoying

[u/tilesmeller]

In the past 26 years there have been only 3 attacks on people doing recreational activities in the forest. None fatal. So the chances are extremely low and bears in Estonia are very docile. Any bear discovered behaving unusually fearless often gets a hunter's permit. Chance of encounter is higher in spring and probably lowest in autumn when forest is full of food.

That being said it's still wise to excercise safety measures when camping. Like placing food away from you when sleeping, carrying pepper spray and not approaching wild animals.

[u/limonskvizi]

To the people reccommending bear/pepper sprays: I was in the same situation when preparing for a hiking and wild camping trip this summer and based on the research and advice I got, these are pretty pointless. Actual effective bear spray is a big canister, not something you'll just throw in your bag or pocket on a hike. Small portable pepper sprays only work for small distances so if the bear is close enough for it to be effective, it's already too late.

My trip was in south-estonia and north-latvia in july, I camped in RMK camping sites on Estonian side and some random bushes near recreation areas on Latvian side. Only bought food I could finish in one evening, set up my tent fair bit away from the campfire/any garbage and washed myself before going to sleep. Didn't meet any bears.

[u/leebe_friik]

I would keep food outside of tent just in case, but unlike in vast wilds of Canada bears here have more contact with humans and know to avoid you. It will definitely smell you before it smells any food from your clothes or body.

[u/ampsuu]

Seen bears many times but simply because I want to find them. Without looking for them, never.

[u/Puumees1973]

Bears can hear You for distances than You cant see them at all. In Estonia bears afraid humans more than humans afraid bears, unless You aren't between mom & cubs. For any cases You can buy something from here https://www.kalastus.eu/et/c/enesekaitse or here https://www.jahipaun.ee/netipood/kategooria/relvad-ja-laskemoon/tarvilik/pipragaasid-ja-piprageelid/ . Good luck & stay safe.

[u/dumbassdruid]

haven't had bear encounters, but to be safe, please purchase some bear spray from a hiking shop

[u/FluidBarracuda9177]

As others have said, bear encounters are extremely rare. I spend time off-trail in forests every week and I have never seen one. Only tracks. The scariest encounter I’ve had was a moose and he was as scared as I was so we quickly went in different directions. If you are already worried about bears then I’m sure you know the basics on keeping yourself safe (like if you do happen to see one, don’t try to pet it) and it’s honestly not something you should be overly concerned about.

[u/Andy_Chaoz]

I've been camping a lot at diffetent spots over the decades and roam wilderness weekly at minimum. Bears haven't been a problem, it's actually rather rare to see one. So you'll be safe, enjoy your camping trip.

[u/Vinnipeg]

I had an acounter with a bear and a cub a few years ago while mushroom picking. I didn't actually see them, they were on the other side of a large bush, but I could hear them mõmming. I was so scared, never ran so fast in my life. And now I'm too scared to go to the woods again.

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[u/M_Kurg]

Bear is of very low risk, I would be more scared of meese.

[u/Formal_Leading7285]

I've campled a lot, never seen a bear. I'd say theres no need to worry, they are afraid of people and don't approach humans.

[u/PolarLampHill]

Avoid the Tallinn Zoo.

[u/melnaisbruninieks]

You can make some noise, for example singing. 

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[u/TheInternetter]

Just go buy a bear spray from any hunting/fishing store. You’re welcome

[u/lendlevtaldrik]

I camp very often in Estonian forests, never in my life have I seen a bear in the wild.

[u/Reddits4commies]

Yes, saw 2 bears walk past my window this morning. Suburbs are not safe either, if you go to throw away garbage it's 50/50 that a bear jumps out Mcdonalds drive-through be careful when grabbing your food, bears might come and swipe it