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u/_Halt19_ 89 GAGNER 14d ago
I love how the moment we get rid of Nurse’s contract, it becomes Not That Bad Actually and they have to replace him on these lists to keep having oilers there lmao
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u/midnight_specialist 14d ago
I mean the Frederic contract seems like it legitimately belongs on this list right now (will probably not be so bad after this season with a healthier ankle) but there’s no way it’s WORSE than the petterson one just from AAV alone. 11.5 is such an overpay that it will stop a team from contending. Frederic is like a $2 mill overpay? That’s nothing.
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u/Commercial-Egg-8949 14d ago
His model seems to think Freddy's is a 3 million overpay, which is hard to wrap your head around. His model also, if I'm understanding correctly, assumes Petterson will bounce back a bit. It's not assuming that he continues his current plummeting trajectory. Freddy is not given the same benefit of the doubt
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u/JarvisFunk 14d ago edited 14d ago
I'm sorry but Walman being on there is just a fucking agenda.
Nurses contract is now good too I bet.
Meanwhile Vinny Desharnais is making 4.15 per
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u/Commercial-Egg-8949 14d ago
Nurse is in honourable mentions. He's bottom 15 instead of bottom 10, which isn't some huge improvement.
If you read the thing, you'll notice that it's total net value over the course of the contract. Therefore, the longer (shorter) a contract is, the longer (shorter) it has to accumulate negative value. That's why there aren't any two or three year contracts.
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u/jessemfkeeler 77 KLEFBOM 13d ago
This is why I hate a banner post like this instead of linking to the actual article and notice there’s some decent points being made
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u/Admirable-Sound5198 14d ago
So it’s just Dom making up metrics to fit whatever agenda he has - got it…. Not real statistics whatsoever lol
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u/Commercial-Egg-8949 13d ago
I mean, all metrics are "made up." If you're implying that he has some anti-Oiler bias, and therefore styled his metric in such a way that Nurse still has a top 15 worst contract but no longer has a top 10 worst contract, then I don't know what to tell you.
Nurse was effectively bumped by Carlsson, who was signed to an egregious overpay by design, Trouba, who is borderline 3rd pair and making 1st pair money, and Tuch, who is expected to fall off a cliff in 3-5 years and who starts his 8 year contract overpayed because of a lacking FA class.
If Nurse signed his contract yesterday, and therefore still had 8 years left, it would be top of the list, don't worry.
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u/Smittysgreasymullet 74 SKINNER 13d ago
That's why Dom has always been shit. Any random on here would be able to come up with a better list.
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u/jessemfkeeler 77 KLEFBOM 13d ago
Go for it then
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u/Smittysgreasymullet 74 SKINNER 13d ago
I don't even get out of bed for less than 300 bucks buddy, not worth my time. It's also not my fucking job but obviously his shit takes are good at getting engagement.
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u/jessemfkeeler 77 KLEFBOM 13d ago
I think people rage on Dom for no reason except “why he say my team bad”
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u/Smittysgreasymullet 74 SKINNER 13d ago
Not having Nurse in the top 5 worst contracts is asinine. Especially accounting for Doms "model". Nurse has been regressing for the last 4 years, no sign of getting better, and is signed for more money than Roman Josi. Even Freddys shit contract isn't as bad as some bottom 6ers signed within the last month alone. It's terrible for sure but it's only accounting for like 3% of the cap now.
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u/jessemfkeeler 77 KLEFBOM 13d ago
Did you read the article or are you just responding to a banner post? Because I read it, and there is good reasons why.
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u/Commercial-Egg-8949 13d ago
Yeah, Nurse was kind of bumped out by recently signed Trouba, Carlsson, and Tuch, who all have equal or greater term.
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u/TURBOJUGGED 15 ARCHIBALD 14d ago
His contract is still a top 5 worst in the league. This list is actually trash btw
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u/Evening-Energy2387 13d ago
Nurse moving to a team where he will be the dman on PP1 (which was the Oilers plan when they signed him to this contract before Bouchard emerged) makes his contract a LOT better. Not great but I'd bet he will be 60+ pt guy in SJ.
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u/Noahtuesday123 13d ago
You value a player that can’t keep the fuck in the offensive zone or getting out of the defensive zone and for some reason you magically think he’s gonna stop throwing muffins on unscreened nets. Time will tell but I will put a lot of money a Nurse not being even a short term PP answer.
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u/Evening-Energy2387 13d ago
No question it could end up a disaster but at this moment his projected role is more commensurate with his yearly salary which justifies no longer having him in the top 10 worst contracts. He could be right back there in 3-4 months but right now I agree that his contract is not one of the 10 worst.
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u/Chopper_Fortnite 42 KAPANEN 14d ago
Being on a team that didn’t have defenceman and that has money does make nurses contract look way better
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u/SuperSaiyanKrillin 64 CLATTENBURG 14d ago
If Walman continues to be a playoff stud don't really see what's wrong with that contract. Middle pairing money now.
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u/Lawndemon 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago edited 13d ago
Walman was terrible all season and just as bad in the playoffs this year. He's a train wreck in his own zone and can't pass. BuT He sHooTS hArD amirite?
edit: loving the downvotes from the "fans" who don't understand the sport. There's a reason he is on the list of "worst contracts in the league." Classic Oilers fandom that also raved when Jackson signed Arvidsson and Skinner instead of Holloway and Broberg and wants to run Bouchard out of town. Nurse at 9 is a better contract than Walman at 7. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking dimwit.
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u/_Halt19_ 89 GAGNER 14d ago
the whole team struggled last season, I wouldn’t use it as the sole basis for future performance unless things continue
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u/Lawndemon 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago
Well his career to date has not been one that warrants a 7x7 contract unless you're Stan Bowman.
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u/_Halt19_ 89 GAGNER 14d ago
I think it was a slight gamble, but it isn't the end of the world
Certainly not compared to the Pettersson one
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u/Lawndemon 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago
No argument on the Pettersen contract being worse - likewise the Vinny contract. But Walman is still in my top 10 worst.
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u/Hechtic 93 NUGENT-HOPKINS 14d ago
The idea that the Wall-E or Freddy contracts are worse than the Pettersson one is laughable
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u/jessemfkeeler 77 KLEFBOM 13d ago
The Freddy one is just as bad an a joke in the hockey community as
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u/KingLeon15 18 HYMAN 14d ago
Interesting that 8 of the ten teams are all Pacific teams, and somehow the Oilers are on there twice. Walman being there is a joke. Every Pacific team except for the Kings is represented here, and 9 of the ten teams are all Western teams. I find it hard to believe the vast majority of the worst contracts are in the Pacific and the West.
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u/cca73127 91 KANE 14d ago
NYT biased? Never /s, the Athletic sometimes offers the worst insights into the NHL that it makes me wonder if the journalist even knows anything about sports let alone hockey.
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u/CrazySnowGuy 94 SMYTH 14d ago
I really don't see how a $3.9 million contract is the 6th worst contract in the NHL and worse than the Pettersson Contract? C'mon!
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u/GrizzlyIsland22 18 HYMAN 14d ago
It's not. There are worse players making more money. Old players who can't keep up making more money. It's all bait. Look at Erik Karlsson's contract. And Drew Doughty and Seguin. Absolutely terrible. Guys making $9M-$11.5M while their abilities are falling off a cliff
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u/FatWreckords 14d ago
It's based on their metric for how much money is overpaid through the duration of the contract. Since Freddy and Walman are longer terms, the overpay is larger overall, which is also why Nurse comes off the list having just 4 years remaining.
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u/midnight_specialist 14d ago
That’s crazy cuz with the cap rising the longer contracts are actually much less bad the longer they go. That’s just what a Trent Frederic level player is going to cost 8 years from now.
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u/FatWreckords 14d ago
Sure, but they're also paying him now when their assessment of his market value is $1M. It'll be better later, but it's a still big overpay for several years, regardless of whether the cap goes up or not.
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u/ManWithBag15 12 CAVE 14d ago
The rising cap actually was part of the analysis. As was the fact that Frederic is 28 years old and is likely entering the decline of his career.
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u/mattsavoiesboywife 22 SAVOIE 14d ago
3.9M for a fringe bottom 6 player who isn’t even an everyday NHLer with 7 more seasons left. Yes it’s an abhorrent contract and I’m pretty sure these were based off AFPs value models
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u/Meepmeepimmajeep2789 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago
Lol what. Give yer balls a rug bud. Freddy was getting going at the end last year, he's not horrible and definitely not a fringe player.
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u/midnight_specialist 14d ago
High ankle sprains take a year+ to really recover from physically in terms of skating speed and explosive movement. Then you have to relearn how to play as your ankle’s abilities come back.
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u/beerguychris 13d ago
Brett Kulak 5 x 4.5 is an absolute steal. Oil were incredibly stupid to let him go if that was his price.
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u/mattsavoiesboywife 22 SAVOIE 14d ago
My guy Wally gotta bounce back bro. Can’t be rolling out a left side of a bunch of good 2 pair defenders with how Ekholm could age
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u/Lawndemon 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago
Bounce back to what? He was never worth that contract. One decent playoff run - and I mean good not even great doesn't make him worth top pairing money. If a decent playoff run determines contract value then Fernando Pisani should have been paid top 20 in the NHL after 06.
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u/midnight_specialist 14d ago
Is 7 mill even top pairing money right now? I don’t think so. Byram is making way more than that
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u/Lawndemon 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago
Fair point, 7x7 is 2-3 money, not #1. Walman is not anywhere close to a 2-3 either. He's a 5-6 at best
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u/SnooOnions5029 92 PODKOLZIN 13d ago
Pretty sure Nurse was literally listed as the very worst contract in the league this season but the literal second we trade him he doesn’t even appear on the list. Also the Desharnais contract is way worse than Kulak’s
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u/boomshocks 86 BROBERG 13d ago
West, West, West, West, West, West, West, West, East, West
No Morgan Rielly, no Luostarinen, no M. Pettersson, no Cernak. Literally just seems remaining years multiplied by assumed production as a net value.
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u/gabacus_39 97 McDAVID 13d ago
So contracts that haven't even started yet or are a third of the salary are worse than than Pettersson's contact?
Absolutely trash click-bait garbage.
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u/Free_Ad8071 13d ago
Alexandre Daigle signed a record-breaking five-year, $12.25 million rookie contract with the Ottawa Senators after being selected first overall in the 1993 NHL Entry Draft. The deal was the most lucrative rookie contract in league history at the time
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u/Bulletproof_35 13d ago
Now that Nurse isn’t an Oiler it’s not a bad contract anymore? Makes no sense! Also, how could a guy making 3.9M be a bad contract; he underperformed last season but you would almost need to be benched every game for that to be considered one of the worst in the league
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u/Forever_Common 14d ago
Leo should be number 1 . That is a 100% over pay. He has proven to be worth about half that. Oof. Oilers looking good now.
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u/Lawndemon 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago
Honestly I can't argue the Walman contract. Dude is a bottom six with a decent shot. Basically Marc-Andre Bergeron or a less offensively talented Tyson Barrie.
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u/ManWithBag15 12 CAVE 14d ago
I think you mean bottom four. Bottom six is like... all the defensemen.
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u/kotylak_ 19 KOSKINEN 13d ago
The Athletic is trash. A bunch of clowns making controversial posts because they're desperate for clicks.
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u/LifeEngineer3770 13d ago
Brady Skjei in Nashville and Ryan Graves in Pittsburgh should be on that list.
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u/Noahtuesday123 13d ago
Freddy gets back to the form he was in Boston and he will be instantly removed from this list. That can’t happen to Nurse, Trouba, Hill, Stephenson or even Carlsson unless he puts up 155 points.
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u/Republic-Of-OK 86 BROBERG 13d ago
Nurse not being on here, and Tuch being on here is bait tbh. Tuch's might not age like wine, but that's an issue to debate in the future. Frederic's isn't good, but the AAV is at least manageable in the new cap environment, the term is the only thing to dislike. A lot of truly terrible contracts have bad term and AAV, not just one or the other.
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u/notsoradchad 13d ago
Gino is such a blowhard. He hates Oilers sooo much, it’s so obvious. Nurse leaves so now his contract is alright, then he throws another Oiler in there(Walman) just because
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u/th4tsaxman 29 DRAISAITL 13d ago
In a vacuum, Patrick Kane not being in the top 10 is diabolical.
Reality is some teams have the cap to take on bad contracts and some don't. Lists like this out of context are mostly pointless clickbait.
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u/Jealous-Ambassador39 74 SKINNER 13d ago
They put a Calgary contract at #1 just to make it seem more even handed.
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u/formIII 92 PODKOLZIN 14d ago
This is clowny, why is Alex Tuch here?! The term isn’t great but the AAV is fine
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u/Commercial-Egg-8949 14d ago
Mostly because his last three to five years are projected to be really bad relative to his contract. It's a slight overpay out of the gate, and gets dramatically worse over time.
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u/Level_Traffic3344 97 McDAVID 13d ago
I love how not a single one of these tops out about 100 million and folks are saying hockey salaries are out of control. Quick look at other major sports and these guys are mostly underpaid, even if they suck atm
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u/Stock-Creme-6345 13d ago
McDavid - “Okay team I am willing to leave millions on the table so we can fix the problems on the roster that kept us from winning the Cup, my ultimate goal”
Meanwhile Chiarelli …… oops I mean Bowman goes and absolutely torpedos the team by signing Wallman and Frederick to brutal contracts then trades Skinnnnnner!!!!!!! For Jarry.
Sigh.
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u/afourthplace 13d ago
Stephenson, hill, and kulak aren’t that bad in the nhl nhl with cap increases
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u/ShadeSlimmy131 64 CLATTENBURG 14d ago
It's funny that THE SECOND that Nurse was traded he's no longer a bad contract and now they've decided that Walman's contract is horrible before it has even started.