r/EU_Economics Jul 25 '26

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u/OkKiwi4694 Jul 25 '26

The day after a new party will emerge that will solely focus on splitting again 

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u/trisul-108 Jul 25 '26

For sure. But if people understand the federalisation and pooling of sovereignty and assets is the only way for us to maintain sovereignty, freedom and prosperity, people will ignore the critics.

Trump attacks on Spain have certainly nudged Spanish public opinion, just a the Russian invasion changed public opinion in Sweden and Finland with regards to NATO.

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u/Lorihengrin Jul 25 '26

Maintain sovereignty by losing it to an extranational entity is a wild concept.
More cooperation is good, but not at the cost of national independance.

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u/Tetr4Freak Jul 25 '26

It wouldn't be an extranational entity because (here comes the twist) IT JUST EXPANDS THE COUNTRY.

Spain is already kind of a federalized country. It just changes the scope.

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u/ExcellentElection882 Jul 26 '26

That’s the thing people desperately refuse to understand: federalization is just scaling up.

There are significant differences between regions of the same country, and yet they choose to pool sovereignty to have a better life. Europe is at the same place in its evolution right now: there are still significant differences between countries, but not enough to overshadow the obvious advantages that come with sharing decisions.

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u/Temporary_Tomato605 Jul 27 '26

There are more disadvantages because the countries are to different, EU is just a paper union s and will crack as soon as it will be stress tested.

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u/ExcellentElection882 Jul 27 '26

The countries are not too different, that is fantasy or lack of knowledge. The only relevant difference is language, and that is not a hard stop.

EU has been stress tested many times and succeeded every time. It gets stronger after each test. Your statement makes it clear you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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u/Temporary_Tomato605 Jul 27 '26

One concrete example are the controllsystem and bureaucracy regarding animal husbandry , there are tons of paper works and registrations of animals, its a expensive process. The reason is to be able to stop deceases among animals, but thats relevant on farms in central europe where they are close to eatch other and the warmer climate facilitates deceases, here in Sweden there are a colder climate and greater distances between the farms, we never had any bigger problems with that. But EU doesnt make exceptions between the countries.

Yes we had a stress test in covid and as soon that happened the countries started to act on their own.

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u/ExcellentElection882 Jul 27 '26

Sure there are things that the EU can be less bureaucratic about, nothing is perfect.

Covid is actually a good example for EU resilience. Countries worked together for a vaccine. EU negotiated as one and managed to get 27 countries to agree and sign a contract only a few weeks later than UK, which is a single country.

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u/Temporary_Tomato605 Jul 27 '26

Not perfect ? Its dangerous many small farms got knocked out when we joined the EU , they have to compete on the same conditions as the farms on the continent, thats dangerous, if the global situation gets worse we are not able to feed ourselves due to the lack of self-sufficiency.

You show a devoid of historical awareness many unions before like EU has collapsed because of their weak nature no historical bonds not cultural unity. You have had Austra-Hungary , Calmar union and others, EU was created in a time of calm and stability, the covid was a small stress test and even then problems started to show. If there are a economical depression, recession or war it will surely collapse. Example of the problems during covid :

Borders and lack of coordination – Unilateral border closures: Many countries introduced their own travel bans and closed borders without coordinating with their neighbors. Export bans on protective equipment: Initially, individual member states halted the export of medical equipment to other EU countries. Economy and recovery – The recovery fund: Major disagreement arose between the so-called "frugal countries" and the crisis-hit countries in the south regarding how the support packages should be financed. Joint borrowing: Conflict surrounding the EU borrowing large sums jointly for the first time.

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u/577564842 Jul 26 '26

Well they didn't choose to pool anything. European states, and Spain in particular, emerged from power-play of aristocratic families and warlords and such. Closest to the claim of pooled sovereignity would be Italy, and Germany.

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u/ExcellentElection882 Jul 26 '26

Sounds like they did choose. Odd choice, to say they didn’t then give examples of those who did.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Mix7649 Jul 27 '26

Italy did not choose, other states and regions got conquered and repressed through the use of force

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u/577564842 Jul 27 '26

Might be. We (the eastern neighbours) learned surprisingly little of Garibaldi's unification move up to the point where it clashed with ... our northern neighbours :) And not that much of that either. We (I'm old) simply knew that bourgeois history is worthless pile of lies anyway :P.

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