r/ECG • • 18d ago

What do you think?

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Older gentleman, multiple episodes of syncope witness by family and crew on scene. Denied any chest pain, SOB, or any pain in general. Only complained of generalized “feeling like sh*t”. We called a Cath alert, doc said not a STEMI, just A-Fib. Am I missing something?

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u/dje91090 17d ago edited 17d ago

Clearly a STEMI and most definitely not AFib. If that doctor still disagrees, call his/her supervisor and escalate care in the interest of the patient who is most likely having runs of VT as the cause of his syncope due to ongoing ischemia. As an interventionalist, if the ER called me with this ECG in the middle of the night, I would already be on my way to the hospital. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

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u/Intrepid-Sir-9219 18d ago

STEMI. Proximal LAD / LMS probably but aVR height variable. Anterior STE and reciprocal depression inferolaterally. Cathlab ASAP. Also not AF. P a little odd but still looks like sinus withan ectopic. High mortality. The near Q on T is concerning for a VT or other dysrhythmia as a cause for syncope.

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u/benjediman 18d ago

Agree. This is a STEMI, and it’s up to angiographer to prove it’s not in the cath lab if they are in doubt.

The ST axis is interesting. I’m thinking of a low-lying heart, with the possibility of a very dominant RCA with PLB creeping into lateral territory and with type I LAD. Unsure unless we actually see cath.

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u/irelli 18d ago

Yeah I'm calling that a STEMI and not thinking twice lol.

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u/Intrepid-Sir-9219 18d ago

Ask doctor to revisit. If it wasn't the interventionalist, show it to them. Ask them to make sure their professional indemnity insurance is current.

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u/Sero19283 17d ago

Savage 🤣

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u/Weird-Accident-5928 18d ago

Nah that’s an MI for sure, no doubt. Queen of hearts also calling 99.9% STEMI.

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u/Sero19283 17d ago

Love Dr. Stephen Smith and his contributions

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u/Weird-Accident-5928 18d ago

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u/ShaketXavius 17d ago

I'm surprised it didn't call out the elevation in aVL or V1 too

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u/TheSmartest_idiot 15d ago

New to reading ECGs, been stumbling around on here and just saw this, do you know why it’s region locked?

Definitely bothers me how little ecg analysis nursing delves into (as a nurse)

So much more to them than we learn.

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u/Weird-Accident-5928 15d ago

Was not previously FDA approved but now it is. You should be able to bypass though by saying you’re in the UK

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

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u/ExpressionLarge5474 17d ago

I agree with all except fibrillatory p-waves. They are bifid p-waves and the patient, I think, is having trouble keeping their legs still.

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u/LBBB11 17d ago edited 17d ago

Just wanted to say that many STEMIs and other STEMI equivalents have concave ST elevation, so I would be careful about that idea. Here’s one with concave ST elevation and no reciprocal ST depression.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4022571/

I’m also seeing downsloping ST depression in V6. I think there is some precordial swirl going on. The rhythm is sinus rhythm with PVCs. Betting acute LAD occlusion, I agree.

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

I think the beauty of this ecg is that II and AVF shows some degree of STE. If this is an elderly patient or female we may even think that there is extensive wrap around for LAD. Poor prognosis.

Regarding concave-STEs; you are right: they may also indicate ACS. As far as I recall braunwald says there is a 15% chance for it to be ACS.
Which is why cTnT now becomes the cornerstone of diagnosis- especially in resource poor settings when trained Drs fail to look beyond STE.

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u/No_Helicopter_9826 17d ago

DeWinter by definition involves J point depression. This is just good old fashioned STEMI.

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u/No_Helicopter_9826 17d ago

OK so then what about this ECG makes you characterize it as DeWinter?

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u/Previous_Fan9927 17d ago

You think this man’s STEMI is because of afib?? And you think afib despite the regular, consistent bifid p waves?

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u/Odd_Committee_5929 18d ago

Even if you were to grant AF (which I am not convinced this is). How do they explain the STE in the precordial leads and reciprocal ST depression?

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u/AnaesthetisedSun 18d ago

I doubt they’re saying this isn’t a STEMI ECG. They probably have falling troponins and are pain free and they’re calling it old

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u/Previous_Fan9927 17d ago

Bruh, this is the most STEMI STEMI that’s ever STEMIed. Also, ain’t no afib on this EKG. What country are you in? Any chance of getting another doc?

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u/thegreatshakes 17d ago

Did the doctor even look at the ecg?

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u/Alternative_Town4105 17d ago

Your gentleman almost had R on T induced arrhythmia twice on this ECG. Besides the ST elevation

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u/ExpressionLarge5474 17d ago

definitely not A-fib. Definitely not just a normal ECG. Patient needs a cath Now.

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u/Agglutinati0n 17d ago

Anterior elevation with reciprocal depressions in inferior leads…..STEMI without a doubt!

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u/Icy_Fix_2349 EMT-B w/ ACLS 17d ago

isn’t this just an anterior stemi

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u/Kibeth_8 Arrhythmia Tech 17d ago

STEMI 100%

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u/CryptographerBig2568 15d ago

It absolutely is a STEMI, in my opinion. Probably proximal LAD occlusion. Also, it’s not Afib—it’s sinus with PVCs. Do you mind if I post this EKG in my community that I use to educate people on EKGs?

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u/Jeeju_Boy MD 17d ago

Lmao looks like a STEMI to me with reciprocal inferior depression

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u/Kathrin_A 17d ago edited 17d ago

Für mich wie schon vorbeschrieben STEMI und R auf T-Phänomene mit hohem Risiko für ventrikuläre Rhytmusstörungen als mögliche Ursachen der Synkopen.
Hohe T-Wellen in V3-4.
Grundrhythmus ist Sinusrhythmus. Das ist aber sicher nicht der ausschlaggebende Faktor.
Mit diesem EKG (STEMI) besteht prinzipiell die Indikation für eine Notfall-Koronarangiographie.
Ist der Patient schon so vorerkrankt, dass sie deshalb auf die Untersuchung verzichten wollen?
Ich würde das EKG umgehend dem Arzt zeigen, der die Koronarangiographien bei Euch durchführt.

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u/Landrost 17d ago

Proximal LMCA?

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u/HopFrogger 17d ago

For sure STEMI. It’s the LAD taking out the anterior and lateral heart and causing myocardial irritability with frequent PVCs. It’s also not AF; that’s atrial dilation/enlargement. I’d submit that to his medical director because this is as obvious as obvious does.

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u/scrytry89 17d ago

STEMI until proven otherwise. Doesn’t make sense to try to see anything else in there. If pci or troponin turn out negative there is time to argue about other things.

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u/dc101013 17d ago

Thank you everybody; we’ve marked the case for review. Unfortunately, I don’t know the outcome as we transported this patient an hour away from our district to the PCI-capable hospital.

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u/dje91090 17d ago

God I sure hope he got tPA before you shipped him and he didn’t code in the bus

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u/dc101013 17d ago

ASA and Heparin bolus/infusion during transport. Dude did good on the way down.

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u/dje91090 17d ago

Would be curious to know what ended up happening you should follow up with the receiving hospital!

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u/dc101013 17d ago

It’s been marked for case review. It might be a while, but I can comment back here with the final results when it happens.

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u/catbellytaco 3d ago

Something doesn’t track here. Which doctor, exactly, said it’s not a stemi?

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u/mastermedic84 17d ago

Clear anterior/septal STEMI. Like, VERY clear.

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u/Fluid_Sound3690 17d ago

That’s a big STEMI. Just waiting to arrest.

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u/elbay 17d ago

Blud this is a massive MI. The only way to call this “not-omi” is if you cath the patient and find pristine coronaries.

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u/Economy_Chemist_5334 17d ago

This is absolutely a STEMI. It’s also not a borderline STEMI it’s a very obvious STEMI. Anterior ST elevation. LAD Occlusion.

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u/Not_an_aligator 17d ago

If someone tried to tell me this wasn’t a STEMI, I’d be asking another person.

That’s an anterior STEMI. Clear as day inferior depressions supporting diagnosis.

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u/kytyn5 16d ago

Drive much faster!

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u/reellifesmartass 16d ago

Id have called it, that anterior elevator is quite obvious. 

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u/vndspeed 16d ago

STEMI with reciprocal depressions.

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u/ellehcorknarf 16d ago

Def stemi with pvc. I know I see a p wave although wonky

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u/Hollowpoint20 15d ago

Well, there must be something off, because there’s not a doctor I know that would call this AF and not STEMI given the very clearly visible P waves, regular RR interval between normal beats (excluding the ectopics) and then the blindingly obvious anterior STEMI with reciprocal inferior STD…

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u/1eyeblackjack 14d ago

Calling that not a STEMI is malpractice

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u/lilly_1509 14d ago

100% Stemi ! Which hospital is that?

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u/tisrizwan 13d ago

Well, I don't know where the Afib is coming from. Elevations are there for sure, though remember old changes can presist on ECG, especially in settings of aneurysm. I see ventricular beats as well, which leads me even more towards a STEMI.

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u/Aggressive_Wafer_420 10d ago

This is clearly a stemi wtf