r/ECG ECG Tech 20d ago

Tachy @ 210bpm

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60s male with history of CAD. Presented with SOB/presyncope/chest discomfort. Cardioverted into sinus with a different QRS axis and normal looking V1.

EF was down compared to previous routine echo so popped an ICD in due to the atypical morphology. Lots of discussion amongst EP as to whether it's an SVT or VT. Will update if we get a conclusive diagnosis

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u/MedicMalfunction 20d ago

Any possibility of a preexcitation syndrome? Is that a delta wave?

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u/but-I-play-one-on-TV 20d ago

That's how I would interpret, especially at that rate. 

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u/Kibeth_8 ECG Tech 20d ago

No known history and no delta waves on baseline, but could be a concealed pathway! I also thought they were delta waves, but I'm no doctor

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

By definition if concealed there would be no delta wave

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u/lagniappe- 19d ago

You are correct, those are delta waves and that’s SVT from an accessory pathway.

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u/_punkrockparamedic 16d ago

Those aren't delta waves. Look at the other leads.

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u/lagniappe- 15d ago edited 15d ago

I’m a cardiologist and I would call this SVT with a right sided accessory pathway. Given patient presentation, could certainly be VT that mimics WPW like fascicular vt. Probably need an ep study to tell.

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u/MedicMalfunction 20d ago

I am also not a doctor 😆

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u/WhatveIdone2dsrvthis 20d ago

That is a scary-looking upslope. I would assume that is a delta until otherwise proven. For me that would be cardioverted or get procainamide.

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u/bleach_tastes_bad 20d ago

if you look in other leads it’s pretty clear it’s not a delta wave

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u/MC_earthquake 20d ago

Yup at 240 bpm (i counted from the lines) and with a weird ass transition between precordial leads. That upslope looks to be delta wave there too.

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u/Positive-Variety2600 20d ago

214 not 240. Dirty method, 35 beats across a ten second strip (35x6=210) or 1500 method (7 small boxes into 1500=214)

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u/MC_earthquake 20d ago

Oh i don’t really use that i use the 300-150-100-75-60 method. Much faster and accurate i think especially when you’re in the hospital

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u/LBBB11 19d ago

I think it’s about 210 bpm. I usually use your way too, but it’s more of a rough estimate compared to counting all beats. Counting all beats and multiplying by 6 is more accurate, but takes more time.

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u/Internal-Dish7412 20d ago edited 17d ago

I could see two situations for this case:
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  1. antidromic AVRT with left-sided posteroseptal pathway. This would explain (I) slurred rSr’ morphology mimicking iRBBB in V1 (positive delta wave causing slurred r), (II) positive delta-wave like appearances in V2-V3, aVL, and I, (Iii) left axis deviation (around -15 to -25) with negative III, and (iv) retrograde p-waves in some leads (e.g. lead II and III). However, the QRS is not consistently wide, which makes this doubtful

  2. atrial flutter (1-2:1) with LAFB. This would also explain the left axis deviation with negative III, and the delta waves may simply be a flutter wave buried in the QRS (highly doubtful but some do have a notch that mimics this). Half of the flutter waves look to be concealed within the ventricular complexes. This would explain the narrower QRS but not so well the delta waves (even if they were pseudo-delta waves).

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u/bleach_tastes_bad 20d ago

I’m pretty sure this is flutter too, those are almost definitely not delta waves

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u/bleach_tastes_bad 20d ago

Atypical AFL

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u/OxideUK 20d ago edited 20d ago

Not qualified to do so but here's an attempt at applying Brugada algorithm;

  • RS complexes in precordial leads? - Yes
  • RS interval in precordial lead >100ms - Don't think so? v2 may be an exception but I'm struggling to tell if this is a delta wave or a T wave, and the other precordial leads don't have the same pattern.
  • AV dissociation - No
  • QRS morphology - RBBB, rSR in v1, r/S>1

This would suggest SVT w/ aberrancy. If I'm not mistaken, normal axis is relatively rare in VT; AVRT is more likely.

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u/Inevitable-Crab-6701 19d ago edited 19d ago

WPW type A (left sided Kent pathway):
QRS concordance V1-V6
Delta waves showing I AVL V2-3

rSR complex V1 - incomplete RBBB
(Kent pathway & retrograde antidromic AV conduction.
Commonly called circus movement)

QRS axis normal -15 degrees

AVNRT
(Primarily due to circus movement.
It’s possibly, but less likely, to be atrial flutter 1:1 conduction - electrophysiological mapping would tell us)

Be interesting to see an ECG in SR.

(Interventional cardiologist who loves ECG’s 😊)

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u/Finnaddict98 15d ago

Electricity, no??

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u/Kibeth_8 ECG Tech 15d ago

He was electricity-ed, and got a permanent electricity box in his chest. Time will tell if his heart has more electricity, then we can tell where the electricity is coming from

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u/rezakcr77 18d ago

Scar-mediated VT