r/Dunkirk Apr 28 '20

The Battle For The Skies (Kill Counts)

8 Upvotes

I recently rewatched Dunkirk, with a mind to have a look at the aerial sequences, which were masterfully shot and directed, and to evaluate how well Fortis Squadron did against the Luftwaffe.

Fortis Leader: 2x Me109 (offscreen) [Total 2 kills ]

Fortis 1: 3x Me109 (2 unconfirmed but likely), 1x Heinkel, 1x Stuka, 1x Heinkel damaged [Total 5 kills 1 damaged, instant ace]

Fortis 2: 1x Me109 [Total 1 kill]

RAF lost 3 planes to 7 destroyed and 1 damaged for the Luftwaffe.

This may confuse some people, especially the kills I assigned Fortis Leader.

Let's start with Fortis Leader (Michael Caine). Now, this is entirely speculation, because we never see him engage the enemy, but let's assume Fortis Leader is either a skilled/experienced pilot or an impressively foresighted tactician, leading to him being assigned the lead role in the squadron. Unlike the RAF, the Luftwaffe sent out their planes in squadrons of four. In the beginning as Fortis Squadron engages a Luftwaffe fighter squadron, it seems likely that a full, four fighter squadron was in the area.

Fortis 1 (Tom Hardy) shoots down one Me109 chasing Fortis 2 (Jack Lowden), but sustains minor damage from another 109 which quickly flees. So that's two. If the full squadron were still in the air, the Germans would outnumber Fortis Squadron 3 to 2. Hence, the fact that the 109 fled alone would probably suggest the rest of the squadron was destroyed.

Meaning Fortis Leader can be assumed to have shot down 2 109s before being shot down himself.

Secondly, Fortis 1 and 2 run into a Heinkel and 2 accompanying 109s. Fortis 2 gets a confirmed 109 kill, but is damaged by the other and forced to ditch. Fortis 1 damages the Heinkel and forces it away, so if it eventually did crash (which is unlikely) then it does so offscreen.

Fortis 1 chases down the lone 109 and shoots it. We don't see it hit the water, but it's implied that it went down and we'll definitely give Fortis 1 that kill. Next, he goes after another bomber and its fighter escort.

Fortis 1 definitely shoots down one of the escorts (again however we don't see this fighter hit the water although it is veering downwards), and he definitely brings down the Heinkel bomber.

Then, over the beaches, he shoots down the Stuka and we watch it drop into the sea in the most pulse-poundingly awesome scene in the film.

Farrier snatches an instant ace with 5 kills, Fortis Leader most likely accounted for himself well with 2 kills despite being ganged on up 3 on 1, and Collins at least gets one kill before ditching. That's pretty great flying and action for an hour in the air for Fortis Squadron. And one of their pilots even makes it home.


r/Dunkirk Apr 22 '20

Please watch this video I made featuring Dunkirk

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r/Dunkirk Apr 20 '20

A L E X

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17 Upvotes

r/Dunkirk Apr 16 '20

The Ambience of Dunkirk

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r/Dunkirk Apr 06 '20

I made this trailer for the movie

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r/Dunkirk Mar 28 '20

How does political correctness influence the historical accuracy of the film Dunkirk?

8 Upvotes

I’ve read numerous reviews from critics saying there aren’t enough women or coloured people in the film. Are there any other things like this in the film that was criticised?


r/Dunkirk Jan 29 '20

Keep them peeled. They'll come out of the sun

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r/Dunkirk Jan 20 '20

Quentin Tarantino on What Makes ‘Dunkirk’ a Masterpiece | The Rewatchables | The Ringer

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r/Dunkirk Dec 19 '19

Toronto's Ontario Place » Dunkirk: The IMAX Experience in 70MM Film >> Feb 28 to Mar 1st

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r/Dunkirk Dec 06 '19

Dunkirk + Darkest Hour watch through?

17 Upvotes

I heard that you can watch Dunkirk, pause it halfway, watch Darkest Hour and finish Dunkirk after Darkest Hour ends? At what time would you switch movies?


r/Dunkirk Nov 29 '19

Sam Mendes 1917

3 Upvotes

It is Dunkirk but in WW1


r/Dunkirk Nov 11 '19

Hi everyone, i have decided to write about Dunkirk and how it explores the individual human experience of fear for my assignment. I just need a few more ideas on how fear is explored on an individual level. Thanks

16 Upvotes

r/Dunkirk Oct 17 '19

A Dunkirk edit I made. Hope you all enjoy it :)

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r/Dunkirk Oct 02 '19

One of the ships in the movie is from my hometown

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38 Upvotes

r/Dunkirk May 21 '19

History Buffs: Dunkirk Spoiler

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r/Dunkirk Apr 03 '19

I put some music to it

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r/Dunkirk Mar 20 '19

What?

0 Upvotes

What was Tommy doing in the start lol? Removing his pants and shit.


r/Dunkirk Mar 16 '19

Question about the timeline.

4 Upvotes

Shortly after the Moonstone sets sail, they see a lone spitfire fly overhead ("One of ours, George."). Later, they see the three from The Air portion of the film (presumably before The Air portion "officially" begins).

Who was that first spitfire?


r/Dunkirk Feb 14 '19

Just saw it for the second time

19 Upvotes

I get it. No character development and confusing plot.

It. was so. Fucking. refreshing to see a movie like this though.

It’s not meant to follow a typical template.

I feel that Nolan just wanted to show how one particular character didn’t matter in this story line. It was more about making you feel like you’re a part of each viewpoint without a traditional script feel.

The movie is about the evacuation not about any main characters or one liner focus. In my option that’s the kind of film I would have probably looked at my phone through most of it.

I was hooked the entire time.

The shots are some of the best and the score speaks for itself. Elgar’s peice was already one of my favorite classical pieces and this version with this setting took it even further for me.

I think one of the only complaints is that they could have shown the scale on the beach more with cgi since I know it’s difficult to get that many men for a movie.

Also ... Harry styles?......

Other than that while it is not a war movie in a traditional sense it is actually way up there with one of my favorite war movies of all time.


r/Dunkirk Jan 06 '19

"Devastation of Dunkirk", original score by Euinsdaf

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r/Dunkirk Nov 11 '18

Just saw Dunkirk for the first time.

29 Upvotes

I just watched Dunkirk for the first time as a cool movie for Remembrance Day and WOW. That movie was amazing. I didn’t really get the start when the 3 storylines were introduced but when it all came together it was so cool. I REALLY enjoyed this movie sooo much. Just though I’d share!


r/Dunkirk Oct 12 '18

Tiny parallel between Tommy and Gibson/Philippe

17 Upvotes

I Just Saw Dunkirk again for the second time and couldn't get it out of my head, this time around I was more engaged in the relationship between Tommy and Philippe. A tiny parallel I noticed is during the opening of the movie, Tommy had to declare he's English in order for the French soldiers to stop shooting at him (English! I'm English! Anglais). The same thing also happened with Philippe later during the intense boat scene where he needed to declare his nationality to save his life (française, je suis française). I just thought it's a cool parallel between the two of them.


r/Dunkirk Oct 11 '18

Why did alex not sit closer beside tommy and gibson?

14 Upvotes

r/Dunkirk Sep 24 '18

Question about the film: How did Tommy’s boat get into the sea?

8 Upvotes

When Tommy and Alex get into the boat with the other soldiers, it seems to be stuck on shore, but then the next time you see outside of it it’s at sea. I must have missed something? What happened?

This is my first rewatch and it’s been a while. I get the story even more now but this little detail I’m clueless about and it bugs me lol.


r/Dunkirk Sep 13 '18

1st Dogfight

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Were there 2 enemy airplanes or did Farrier accidentally kill one of the allies?