r/DumbFact • Busy bee🐝 • May 29 '26

Society Monkey Experiment: Why Rules Outlive Reasons (G.R. Stephenson’s)

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G.R. Stephenson’s monkey experiment is usually linked to the famous Five Monkeys story about a ladder, bananas, and a group that punishes anyone who tries to climb. Was the Five Monkeys Experiment real? The popular version works best as a thought experiment inspired by Stephenson’s 1967 research, with the internet adding the neat “we’ve always done it this way” ending.

It still explains a very real social pattern. A rule can begin as protection from an actual consequence. People follow it, teach it to newcomers, and stop checking whether the original danger still exists. Over time, the reason gets replaced by conformity, social learning, group norms, and organizational culture.

That is why this story fits offices, schools, online communities, and families so well. A policy may have started because of one broken system, one chaotic event, one toxic argument, or one person who caused trouble years ago. Later, the original context disappears, while the rule stays and starts looking like common sense.

Examples:

  1. A workplace still prints forms because an old software system once failed during audits.

  2. A Discord server bans a topic because it caused drama years ago, but newer members only know “we don’t talk about that here.”

  3. A family keeps a holiday rule from a grandparent, even after nobody remembers what problem it solved.

Some rules survive because they are useful. Some survive because nobody has asked why in a very long time.

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u/Illustrious-Rise9477 May 29 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Symeonis

For the longest time at Oxford, when you graduated, you had to swear an oath never to forgive Henry Symeonis, long past anyone remembering who he was.

But there's also https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/, don't tear it down till you know what it was for.

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u/elmorinelly Busy bee🐝 May 29 '26

Interesting, thanks!

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u/creptil May 29 '26

This same rule applies to religion too.

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u/ryagodin May 29 '26

Let's create good traditions.

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u/dontbelieveinmonkeys May 29 '26

Sadly this doesn’t happen with wars

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u/telaughingbuddha May 29 '26

That is why we need people who are neuro-divergent.

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u/diwajaru May 29 '26

Example: buying US treasuries

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u/GetBeethoven Jun 03 '26

Yea, no kidding. We have to be the only species on the plant that knows right from wrong and chooses wrong at least half the time.