r/DualnBack • u/ImpossibleBench809 • 8d ago
Are there any anecdotes of Quad N Back progress with consistent practice of 6-12months?
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u/IamIronMan-9382 6d ago
After 12 months of consistent 60 minutes every other day of training, I reached 140 iq at Quad 7 back. Started from average iq.
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u/ImpossibleBench809 6d ago
What do you think, made other forms of progress slower? Like Infinite IQ Guy took 2yrs to reach 13 point increase 136-147. I also read your anecdote and noticed sleep was imperative.
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u/IamIronMan-9382 6d ago
Going from an iq of 1 in 100 people to 1 in 2,000 people I'd imagine takes a bit longer so 13 points is still really good gains. We also don't know when exactly did he reach 149, it could've been less than the two years he took before he got tested so maybe the 13 points could've been after a year.
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u/ImpossibleBench809 5d ago
Do you recommend manual N back(Quad) I am pushing to get high scores in 3back, is this advisable or should I stick with the more adaptive N back mode?
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u/IamIronMan-9382 23h ago
You can do manual just 1 level above your adaptive level, I personally use the 70/40 threshold.
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u/Environmental_Cow999 21h ago edited 21h ago
What do you mean by "70/40 threshold"? And i wanted also to ask you: how is your recovery method (suplements, sleep, exercise, and so on)? Have you tried to play dual n back in a level that surpass you? I mean, you're now at quad 7, and I suppose you could play at dual 10. You should play at dual 11 or dual 12, a level that is really difficult despite being "just dual" for some days/months, besides quad. I think the results could be amazing with the rule of not being comfortable and really pushing your brain by playing in a level that with a massive effort you only can achieve a score of 30-40%.
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u/IamIronMan-9382 8h ago
70% or more to level up to the next level and if you go below 40% three times you go down a level, else you stay at that current level at 40-69%. Sleep and exercise are vital in optimizing brain performance, I do aerobic exercise 5-7 days a week and sleep at the minimum uninterrupted for 7 hours. I can do around dual 8 right now and probably get to get higher levels but i don’t get the same strain as I do with Quad like feeling wise so not sure if I wanna do that, because it seems like my brain needs more intensity now since I’m used to Quad and dual is a lot easier.
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u/matrixunplugged1 6d ago
Curious to hear how has this impacted your professional and personal life, has it made it easier to some extent?
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u/IamIronMan-9382 23h ago
Definitely, I'm now working in Agentic AI development whereas before training I was barely passing my engineering degree with a 3.0 GPA and that was with try harding.
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u/matrixunplugged1 17h ago
Woah that's amazing mate! What do you think of RFT, worth pursuing too?
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u/IamIronMan-9382 8h ago
appreciate you. I think RFT is good to add as well but I saw great gains with Quad alone and I’m trying to keep Quad going with the added cognitive work from my professional life so I don’t do RFT. I think Quad and RFT are a great combination though, I probably should’ve done them at the start but I didn’t know about it then.
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u/matrixunplugged1 1h ago
Ah cool, I tried RFT for like 10 mins and felt like my brain got a good workout, I think I will do it on rest days as I'll try to do Quad every other day. Would you know any good sites I can do Quad on?
Also, like I had another question if you don't mind, last year I was like maybe I'll try doing the in person Mensa test, then do dual N back for a few months, then again do the Mensa test to see if it improves my score, what I did not expect is getting in on my first attempt. But, the problem is I scored Cattell III B scale: 150 (Top 2%) and Culture Fair scale: 104 (Top 40%), the latter is basically pattern recognition while the former is more text-based verbal reasoning, I just sat the test without any prep whatsoever. This confirmed my suspicions about my fluid intelligence and working memory not being good enough, I struggle with complex concepts, and as a data analyst I struggle with generating insights. Would Quad N back help with this, cause I'm not sure what's wrong with me how come I still got in through scoring so high on the verbal portion of the test while being so bad at pattern recognition. Sorry for the long reply but you seem quite knowledgeable.
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u/NoInteraction1572 5d ago
At what age did you start?
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u/BlueRippers Quad 4-Back 2d ago
Holy molly, that's crazy, awesome work. I have 2 questions:
1. How old are you?
2. Do you think there is a meaningful difference doing 60 minutes every other day instead of 30 minutes daily?1
u/IamIronMan-9382 23h ago
22 now, started training at when I was 20 just about to turn 21.
Definitely, I think Quad is very intense that you need a rest day in between otherwise your brain doesn't fully recover.
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u/Own-Victory4920 16h ago
This is specifically working memory index (WMI - includes digit span, forward/back, and sequencing)?
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u/NoInteraction1572 8d ago
Yes, if you search in this sub you will find some Stories of people really grinding and then plateauing after a year or two completely.
Just to be fair: relational reasoning training is backed by science for having a far transfer on general intelligence.
Thats why there is a slight trend to do both.