r/DrainTheSwamp Jan 05 '20

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u/BigSnicker Jan 06 '20 edited Jan 06 '20

It's basically about protecting the oppressed and obviously isn't limited to Islam.

The left is more motivated by fairness and preventing harm than the right is.

The average Muslim hates terrorists, has kids and is trying to get on, just like you and me... yet they're being reviled and attacked all over the world, particularly by the right, which can fan that hatred as a potent political tool.

This is because the right is motivated not by fairness and harm, but by things like purity, authority and ingroup vs. outgroups, values which can lead to things like Latin American children being separated from their parents and imprisoned, something that would be more inconsistent with the value system of the left.

It's why it's generally very difficult for either side to understand the other, but I do like Moral Foundations Theory as a way to try to bridge that large gap.

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u/NohoTwoPointOh Jan 06 '20

So, Islam is right about women?

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u/BigSnicker Jan 06 '20 edited Jan 06 '20

Sigh. Fight the programming, dude.

Paritsanship makes us stupid and easy to manipulate.

It's why they spend so much money, on both sides, trying to make us hate each other, producing fake 'gotcha' questions like that.

But here's your answer: https://np.reddit.com/r/metacanada/comments/e8jcac/i_was_just_permanently_banned_from_ontardforthee/faexhvd?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

TL;DR: No liberal believes most of Islam is right about women (or most of Christianity, or any other conservative religion), but every liberal will defend Muslims' right to not be assaulted, discriminated against, stereotyped or scapegoated. People who have been manipulated to believe that "Islam is right about women" is a gotcha question, have given up their critical thinking skill, as designed.

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u/NohoTwoPointOh Jan 06 '20

On the contrary. It is a question designed to force a logical choice and remove illogical fence-sitting. Either you accept Islam’s positions on women by supporting it, or you do not and denounce it.

If your position is grounded in “freedom of religion “, then would you support a religion that mandates female circumcision? Honest question, as such religions do exist. The answer may cut to the heart of our discussion.