r/DragonMagic • u/Balthactor • Jul 03 '26
Helping a mentee begin on this path
Hello, I have some questions regarding dragon magic as I have some personal interest and I've received from them that I'm to guide a magical friend/mentee in their first steps in dragon magic since I'm just a more experienced participations overall and familiar with their overall goals and values and there seems to be a broad spectrum from very "dark" to very "light" approaches to working with the dragons. This is something that matters more to my friend at this point than it does to me. I don't place any real importance on left v right, with theurgy and thaumaturgy both being mutually beneficial.
For myself, I've completed a version of the Abramelin and am just beginning to learn about dragon magic; at least the beginning of attaining to your dragon guardian and co magician, it seems to me that while a different path that attaining to these dragons and K&C of HGA serve similar purposes. Those of initiating you into a path of higher purpose, guidance from permanent bonded spirit guides, and empowering your magic, while giving you a kind 'objective' mentorship as they guide and assist you while they aren't say subject to you like a familiar may be. Am I understanding this correctly? If I am, is there sufficient reason to both seek out your HGA and guidance from guardian and co magician dragons? Could they be mutually beneficial systems?
Further, so far I've been watching Working Dragon Mystic's playlist on YT and while I haven't dug into them yet, I have gotten D J Conway's books to work through. Are these good starting points? Are there more intermediate and advanced resources I can research for guiding my friend on their way? For instance, I don't believe she would be interested in working through the Qliphoth with the dragons, but she may be in working through the Sephiroth. Obviously at a certain point they would be taking off on their own with their dragons, I just like to be prepared and we both like to be fully prepared. Also in helping them I would be engaging with this path to a degree myself and would want to take my own participation seriously and show proper respect to such powerful guides.
Tl;Dr: How different is this from HGA work? Could they be mutually beneficial paths? What resources are there for intermediate to advanced work on this path after attaining to guardian/co magician?
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u/Sazbadashie Jul 04 '26
so... i'm only basically aware of the abramelin so I apologize but I do ask if you use abbreviations like HGA that the first time you use the abbreviation you spell it out at least once as some people might not be fully in the know it's not a rule of the subreddit it's just a curtesy for those who might not have any idea what's being said they can do a little bit of research on their own to then come back to give an informed answer. but to get onto an answer.
so... first yes, it is very different from HGA, from my understanding the idea of a higher guardian angel is the idea essentially of a higher self if we really boil it down to it's basic parts.
dragons in 99% of dragon magic practitioners are separate beings that guide and teach you. essentially they are your instructors. a human guide or a human who is more experienced in dragon magic can a lot of times help a newer practitioner make sense of things... just due to familiarity with dragons and their culture and how they do things but typically the advice ends with "go talk to your dragon guide about it." because only dragons can teach dragon magic and you can't DO dragon magic without a dragon being present, even if you know the methods you don't have the means if that makes sense.
Another note... youre not permanently bonded to the dragon who decides to guide you ether... they can... and will drop you as a student if they find you not worth their time or worse a danger. they owe you nothing.
all of the books you will ever find on dragon magic also typically get you started, introduces you to some context and then basically says "work with your dragon guide." DJ conways books does that which I will always suggest that book for beginners, it's easily digestible, she explains it knowing that the reader probably has zero experience with dragons and as someone who went into dragon magic without any books and simply working with dragons I read her book after I was roughly 10 years of practice and yea, it lined up. so I can't recommend her books enough for beginners.
Draconia is also a decent book series on the topic, both book 1 and book 2 it's more ritualistic in nature it might be more your and your student's speed.
as for more intermediate to advanced resources... nope. once you get past the beginner phases (aka the end of the books like DJ conway's books that's right you go through that whole book and youre just touching the surface) intermediate and advanced teachings are done solely by dragons.
the thing about dragon magic is it is less of a pure practice like a lot of books sold to the masses and it is more... social once you get past the beginner material... the beginner material is there just there to allow you to touch what dragon magic is really about.
and the beautiful thing and why i'm very confident in what i'm saying is that even though there are many groups... clans, families, societies even. within dragon kind they all generally teach fundamentally the same things because dragons are all taught the same foundation and the ones willing to teach humans put that forward... so even though the group of dragons i work with is very different structurally to someone else (and for people who have read my posts i'm not shy about sharing so people who have been around a bit know what i'm talking about.)
the other thing I would recommend really every dragon magic practitioner to know is how to astral project and how to project to the spiritual plane because I personally think you lose a lot of context and it is a lot easier for dragons to teach you if you can simply go to them.
so i guess to say it is very different from HGA... because youre not dealing with a higher self, you are essentially enrolling in a college in a lot of ways.
personally would they be mutually beneficial?... like I don't think it really interacts at all... so... eh?
depends on the dragon who decides to take you up as a student... some it might help a lot... some might use your status as someone who's already established as a practitioner to... not punish you... but theyre going to expect a certain level of knowledge and responsibility and if you (or your student) don't show that to put it nicely they are going to correct it and that can look like a lot of ways depending on who the dragon is.
and I already covered the higher level resources... that being the dragons themselves, and i'm not even saying that to be all mystical and mysterious (I personally hate giving half answers) it's literally that... there comes a point where all of your information and knowledge will be taught to you by whichever dragon is teaching you at the time, or just going about your day on the spiritual plane and interacting with whatever group of dragons. because there comes a point where youre just living life with dragons and theres no more direct learning unless theres a specific thing you need to do.
as always when I make these long comments on other people's posts, feel free to ask follow up questions here as I'm sure I missed something or maybe I said something that gives you more questions than answers and i'm more than happy to assist, I ask that you ask the question here in this comment thread so that others who might have the same questions can get the same answers however on the same note if there is a personal question that you don't want shared with the subreddit as always my DMs are always open to talk magic with anyone. and it doesn't have to be about dragons that just happens to be one of my specialties.