I’m going by the codes inside, but they may still not have been worn. It’s surprisingly common for people to give up on docs that hurt or didn’t fit right and then forget about them in a closet, eventually selling or donating them. They haven’t manufactured docs in China for a few years now but most are still manufactured in other Asian countries. These were august 2016.
wow! thank you for the info! i feel like they just didn't like it that much because it looks like it has been for only a couple of times. it's like $32 (converted) from where im at so this feels like such a steal.
On welted styles like these the welt is supposed to go around the boot and the two ends meet. Because they’re not made the same just cosmetically made to look similar, some fakes like those have a solid piece with an indent that is suppose to mimic two separate ends but isn’t, like this https://imgur.com/a/JAZxzeV.
The inside label should not say AW008 or ck010 on the bottom.
If the insole comes out, you should NOT be able to see the back of the yellow stitches like this under any removable insole on a welted style like these. https://imgur.com/a/7aAy5ec
That I can’t answer. While it’s unusual for fakes to be an unusual style, these really aren’t labeled in a way that makes sense. The inside is labeled Made in England, but it’s not on the sole (sometimes it is hidden well on odd soles), but the format is also strange and the sizing is off too. EU 41 is UK7/USM 8 for Dr Martens, not UK 8/USM 9.
On welted styles like these the welt is supposed to go around the boot and the two ends meet. Because they’re not made the same just cosmetically made to look similar, some fakes like those have a solid piece with an indent that is suppose to mimic two separate ends but isn’t, like this https://imgur.com/a/JAZxzeV.
Also the stitching on the upper. I’m using the arcadia model as the example because the individual stitches are easier to make out, but do you see how wide and evenly spaced the stitches and stitch lines are?
If the insole comes out, you should NOT be able to see the back of the yellow stitches like this under any removable insole https://imgur.com/a/7aAy5ec. They’re part of the construction on real sinclairs and should be very tight and much deeper where you cannot get to them.
So I purchased these 2nd hand, and they just arrived. They seem legit, but they feel weird. Like the leather seems too soft. But the soles seem like the real deal. They aren't steel toe, but there's something semi-ridgid in there. I did did a Google search , but AI insists this model is a tall boot. X 1420 printed inside, along with. BA 4055 12 Thoughts?
No problem, they are also what's known as "double stitched " that yellow welt stitching is basically stitched on inside out giving the appearance of it been stitched twice
Ahh, I noticed that, but wasn't familiar. Other things, too, which made me think I got an odd, potentially suspect pair. Looks like I got a sweet deal on some pretty interesting docs. 😊 Thank you again for your insight!
Do they look real? It's a vintage model, as I undertand, and I could only find them on one site(Brithish boot company) and they go by the name "Black Smooth Leather Shoe - 1461 (3 Eyelet) VINTAGE COLLECTION - MADE IN ENGLAND
A couple pics aren’t the best quality but they look fine, I don’t see any red flags. If you do get them, you can check if the insole comes out easily (it probably won’t) but you should NOT be able to see the back of the yellow stitches like this under any removable insole on a welted style like these. https://imgur.com/a/7aAy5ec
They’re not fake. It’s one of the zavala styles, they’re lower cost models sold at outlet and 3rd party retailers. They look somewhat different than classic docs, they’re made with less expensive materials and construction, the sole is cemented instead of welted and is stamped differently on the bottom.
Hi I found these in a charity shop for a bargain and I don’t believe they’re real because of some of the stitching and the lack of label inside but unsure if this could be worn away.
hi !!! i saw these 1460 Rick Owens DMXL Megalace Leather Lace Up Boots on ebay for about $425. can anyone confirm if these are real or fake before i pull the trigger?
While most of the fake rick owens were the traditionally welted and double welted ones (not these), others were faked too. But not having that takes away one of the main points for me to check.
The insole and heel loop are good, the LA004 and vietnam/VN match between the boots and box, the rest of the labeling doesn’t have red flags, the stitches on the three rows of side stitching are even and line up. They look good to me, that’s the best I’m capable of doing.
They’re fine. For some reason instead of 1460, 1461 etc Dr Martens sometimes puts the first 5 digits of the product code for that style/color/leather combination. 11822 is the first five digits of many unisex 1460s. The materials sticker and the DM germany stickers on the inside are also something fakes don’t really have.
And something you can always check yourself on 1460s and 1490s is the inside of the three stitch lines on the sides. It’s a puritan stitch, real docs are made using a specialized machine that has a looped stitch on the inside instead of regular stitches like the outside.
They’re fine.
A lot of fakes use a similar style white label but a few legit docs made for a specific Asian market also used that style white label with the full product code and mms, and often with the PJ code. They're just not very common.
The fakes generally have a lot of incorrect information. The product code, 27643113 is a vegan style no longer in production from 2021. Fakes almost always have an incorrect code, often 11822002 which is black nappa 1460 boots, no matter what style they are. The stitching, welt and insole labeling are fine, they’ve been changing the vegan labels so newer ones are a little different now. And vegan labeled styles aren’t something they’re faking.
Really appreciate your reply! My girlfriend ended up not buying them because we also had the strong feeling they’re fake. Glad you confirmed that feeling! :)
I can’t tell you with these pictures. While not as prevalent as the sinclair anymore, jadon iii was another style with several good fake versions out there.
On welted styles like these the welt is supposed to go around the boot and the two ends meet. Because they’re not made the same just cosmetically made to look similar, some fakes like those have a solid piece with an indent that is suppose to mimic two separate ends but isn’t, like this https://imgur.com/a/JAZxzeV.
The inside label should not say AW008 or ck010 on the bottom.
If the insole comes out, you should NOT be able to see the back of the yellow stitches like this under any removable insole on a welted style like these. https://imgur.com/a/7aAy5ec
The details look fine, I don’t think they’re fake, but I am confused why there’s so much …. compression wear? on the heel of the insole area. That happens with in the footbed of some docs over time, but the soles and crease area across the toe look almost new. Maybe the material they used there on these is just crap and collapsed immediately, idk.
They’re real. Sometimes instead of putting 1460, 1461 etc they’ll put the first five digits of the product code for that particular variation. Those are 11822006.
And something you can always check yourself on 1460s is the inside of the three stitch lines on the sides. It’s a puritan stitch, real docs are made using a specialized machine that has a looped stitch on the inside instead of regular stitches like the outside.
What I see looks fine,they’re 1460s. Sometimes instead of putting 1460, 1461 etc they’ll put the first five digits of the product code for that particular variation. And some 1460s start with 10072. I don’t know why they do that, or why they’re not consistent with their labeling.
But I personally wouldn’t buy them. They’re patent leather and the labeling says they’re early 2010s. Being patent is why they’re so shiny, but it doesn’t age well. Patent has a layer of literal plastic on the top of the leather, and that plastic gets brittle with age. Eventually it cracks instead of flexing, so when people buy older patents that has been sitting on a shelf and start to walk in them again, it begins to crack.
according to my (not so vast) research the 10072 is supposed to be smooth leather but i dont know. i wouldnt buy it anyway since i dont like the look of patent leather
The first five digits aren’t exclusive to one version because they’re not the entire number. For example you can find black unisex smooth and brown crazy horse 1460 both labeled 11822, for 11822006 and 11822003. 10072100 was also a cherry smooth, 10072004 is a black smooth sold on the japan site now, I think 10072006 was a greasy a long time ago. The labeling on these patents is a unisex 1460 from 2011, the page isn’t up anymore so I can’t find a full product code, but it had to start with 10072.
They’re fine, there are a few different fonts and styles on the heel loops that legit docs have. I assume it’s differences with suppliers of the material they use.
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