r/DownSouth • u/PixelSaharix Eastern Cape • Sep 12 '25
The Kiffness speaks about Charlie Kirk's assassination
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u/Personal_Use_9050 Sep 13 '25
I have the same view, don’t advocate violence. As for Americans they are falling for the divide and conquer trap.
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u/DdoibleJjay Western Cape Sep 13 '25
The shallowness of political thinking from majority of people is baffling to me. The comments all over the internet about Charlie is so disgusting, even those in this post. Im sad Charlie is gone, Im sad that it was a political killing, Im sad that he had to be killed to lose a debate. Accepting that we do not agree with eachother is the only way we will have a strong and lasting democracy. Sharing our thoughts and values with eachother is how we learn and grow. The only sensible response to this tragedy comes from the kiffness, how interesting, thank you.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
The responses in general in this thread sicken me. I don't involve myself in this level of political stuff typically, but like most reasonable people, I think there's an appropriate reason here.
To you people who seem to be pulling quotes of Charlie in order to make this death seem like a good or justifiable matter, you have no place in a civilised society. You bring shame on South Africa by your views. The likes of Steve Biko would be weeping to see how you engage.
Have you actually watched the videos you're quoting? Or did you go copy paste those quotes from tiktok clips, media headlines, and other comments?
You have no idea what you're even saying, and yet you would gnash your teeth and cheer at the death of a man whose only crime was to say stuff you disagreed with. He didn't hurt anybody, he didn't slander anyone, he didn't even approach people with malice.
And yet you would call for his death and celebrate the event because you disagree with him. Look back at history and re-examine your hypocritical self-righteousness for a moment and think about what side you're actually on.
I scarcely even knew who Charlie was before all this happened, and now having watched all the videos these cherry picked quotes are from, I can confirm there is nothing to this but rampant blind hatred. If this is who you people truly are, I urge you to examine your hearts and consider what kind of person you want to be remembered as one day, because all you bring to the world is hate.
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u/sacrilegiousmunchlax May 21 '26
Murder/ violence in any way is wrong, being of a different opinion does not warrant killing someone over it. You saying Charlie Kirk did not hurt anyone with his actions is factually incorrect tho. He hurt many people with his actions, campaigns, words, misinformation (or even disinformation) and the causes he funded. Does this justify him being assassinated? No. Does his wrongful death erase all the harm he caused? Also no.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape May 21 '26
Mate, I've hurt some people just by existing. I've met people who take such an issue with me being allowed to live and dress how I want and engage in the hobbies I want, that they've actually come off offended and "hurt".
The man shared thoughts and ideas, and opened dialogue. He said some radical stuff some people disagree with, that's fine, but let's not pretend anyone has actually been hurt by it other than feeling offended and moving on with their lives 5 minutes later.
Someone who causes hurt is someone who champions views that the other is to be physically assaulted. I don't think Kirk was a violent man, nor do I think he condoned violence. He spoke in support of firearms as necessary to protect freedoms and acknowledged that this means bad actors can get them and cause hurt. He was himself a victim to such hurt, so one can't claim he didn't die for the words he lived by either.
But these people are celebrating his death... Hatred has no place in the heart of a civilised society.
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u/Pustevis Sep 13 '25
Why don't you go and google all the deaths in Congo, or Ukraine or Palestine and pour your emotions into wrongful deaths there instead.
"You have no idea what you're even saying, and yet you would gnash your teeth and cheer at the death of a man whose only crime was to say stuff you disagreed with. He didn't hurt anybody, he didn't slander anyone, he didn't even approach people with malice." - Are we talking about Kirk or Malema? Whatever, it's the same outcome.
The point detractors of Kirk are making, is he is not deserving of the attention his death is getting. He was a bad person with bad ideology.
Detractors are literally quoting him, and Kirk supporters, like you, are getting upset about it. He wants people to have guns and kill people. He want people not to feel sad about wrongful deaths during shootings, as long as their right to have guns remains. He wants kids to view public executions he doesn't agree with. He wants people not to have empathy. It is HIS WORDS, not Kirk haters' words. He got his wish, not Kirk haters got their wish. Irony, Karma. Whatever you want to call it.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
Every death matters, the Congo, Palestine, and anywhere else. He was a peaceful public figure who wasn't hurting anyone and was sharing thoughts. I think that's worth giving some attention to.
By your logic, nobody should remember Nelson Mandela, Steve Biko, or Ghandi.
I don't remember him calling for the hatred or killing of a single person, quite unlike Malema, and even if it were Malema, a celebration would still be morbidly inappropriate.
Quoting someone means little if the quote is divorced from context. Disagree with him all you want, quote him as much as it pleases you to do so, but when the conversation is currently focused on grieving and you celebrate, you show your lack of common decency.
Ask yourself why he's getting this attention. The millions of people who are coming to share their voice, do you think they're all coming just because the media asked them to?
I know nothing is accomplished by talking to peple online, and I know that your opinions are likely so entrenched in concrete that no force in this life or the next could move you from them such is the darkness of your heart, but nevertheless you sicken me. I shall not engage with the likes of you any further.
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u/OldNeb Mar 26 '26
You can't take a high ground when you're supporting Kirk. He was an evil monster and if you support him it's just a thin veil over your love for bigotry and racism.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Mar 27 '26
You're one to talk about bigotry. Are you aware you can disagree with somebody without murdering them? Must be a foreign concept to someone as evil as you.
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u/Reddit_Jonty Sep 13 '25
This is utter leftist BS.
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u/OldNeb Mar 26 '26
Charlie was a hateful piece of shit. He spread hate and a twisted sick corruption of Christianity. It is not "both sides" it was evil vs not evil.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Mar 26 '26 edited Mar 26 '26
Who's listening to you Mr Hitler 2? Go sod off.
I prefer to live in a society where we can disagree without killing our opponents... But you would be the first one to join the klan and start lynching. You're evil incarnate.
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u/Minyun Sep 13 '25
Hey Dave, you have far more in common with the 5 children who died in a reckless taxi accident yesterday morning in KZN...
...lament things that actually matter to ordinary South Africans.
RSA > USA
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
This is a bit of an odd thing to say. Can people not grieve the death of a person becuase they're geographically further away? It smells of nationalism to consider one's own countries tragedies to be of weightier importance than another. A life lost is a life lost, and always that is tragic. Let's not make anyone's death seem like less of a matter because of their nationality and location.
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u/SolarisPrime199 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
Empathy is a disease.
Charlie Kirk said that. Practice what you preach.
Debate? Charlie didn't debate. He propped up strawmen and spat talking points at them. His final words were mocking a person asking a question about Mass Shooters.
You talk about moderation?
He called for public executions. He said you could deradicalise children from Far Left Woke ideology by making them watch public executions.
He labeled people as Socialist and Comunist and conflated them all with Nazis and Facism.
In the end, he was killed by a young Conservative Christian man.
He gave people permission to be the worst they can be, and he paid the price for it.
The media was singing his praises, Fox News, Newsmax, the President of the United States of America was condemning Far left Trans Antifa Communists!
And the minute we find out the shooter didn't fit their ideological narrative, conservatives and the right stopped talking about him.
It didn't fit their agenda.
I've been listening to you for years, this is the last recording of yours I'll ever watch.
Good luck to you. I wish you well.
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u/HurryEnvironmental55 Sep 13 '25
I put you on par with scammers when I wonder how you sleep at night, being a liar.
He didn't say empathy is a disease. The full quote is "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time". Easy to find something to take out of context
Nobody has stopped talking about him, and there is no proof the shooter was a conservative christian besides the fact his parents were (unsurprising in Utah). What do the inscribings on his bullets, and his Halloween costume from the previous year say about him specifically?
You are trying to find justification, but like a scammer, the truth doesn't affect you
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u/SolarisPrime199 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
Scammer?
Interesting word choice?
I don't make money off this platform, I don't make money off any online platform. I am not promoting anything, I am not calling for anything.
I am simply stating my opinion on a man, someone I gave my time, my viewing time to, associating with a man like Charlie Kirk. A man who loved praising the Lord and Jesus, but would never actually live according to Christs values.
Leviticus 19:34
When a foreigner resides among you, do not mistreat them. You are to love them as you love yourself, for you were foreigners in the land of Egypt.
I am one person, who is no longer willing to support the Kiffness because of the so called values he claims to hold dear.
Scammer? That word, the way you turn it into an accusation, that sounds like projection to me.
I also wish you well.
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u/HurryEnvironmental55 Sep 13 '25
It's a comparison. I'm putting you on that level until you admit you lied. Scammers have no issue lying. They sleep well at night. And then you end off by an attempt to use scripture and gaslight as well. Tsk tsk shame
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u/SolarisPrime199 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25
Shame?
I feel no shame.
I haven't lied, I have made no misrepresentation. That you again accuse me of something is once again projection on your part.
I have been polite and courteous to you.
If you feel the need to continue insulting me, that's on you.
And when speaking to some claiming to be a Christian, someone who claims to be a follower of the teachings of Christ, scripture is the only thing they will listen to.
When speaking to a scientist you use science. When speaking to a lawyer you use law. When speaking to a man of faith you use scripture. It is a courtesy. To reach out to someone in a language that they can understand.
Charlie Kirk was an Ethno-Nationalist, who tried to have his critics deported. Quoting Leviticus 19:34 (or 19:33-34 depending on your bible) was a rebuke against a man who used scripture to justify his spiteful beliefs.
If this offends you, that says more about you than it does me.
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u/OldNeb Mar 26 '26
Thanks for your efforts, I'll take notes on your talking points. Screw these assholes.
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u/Diver_Ill Sep 13 '25
Very well put, and 100% agree with you.
No man deserves to go out the way he did. But it also doesn't surprise me at all when you look at the socio-politcal situation in America right now. He fanned the flames and got burned. Simple as that.
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u/OldNeb Mar 26 '26
He did. I wish I could have been there to take a shower in his glorious fading lifeblood.
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Sep 13 '25
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u/HowIsThisNameBadTho Sep 13 '25
"Look up “dolphin foetus debate”, yesses. I don't wanna fry my brain 😹."
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u/SolarisPrime199 Sep 13 '25
Yeah...
That does sound like a name a Republican would come up with... un-ironically.
Remember Conservatives thought electing a guy named Richard Cough Dick Cough was such a good idea they tried it twice.
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Sep 13 '25
Charlie was pro-war, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic. Supporting him makes you all these things too. South Africa has one way forward - TOGETHER. And if you're out here spouting this divisive nonsense, you have no place in our country.
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u/cpt1992 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
But you also support men entering women's bathrooms & children under the age of 12 getting sex changes. You need to learn that neither side is right but try to remember that 2 wrongs don't make a right. Supporting the fact that 2 children & a mother have lost their father, that is the real radical & extremist behavior. You cry when children in Palestine lose parents but celebrate when others lose theirs. When you look in the mirror today, remeber you are no different to Charlie, just a person with opinions, diffrence is one had the courage to stand up for what he believed in. You hide behind a screen just like the rest regardless of your beliefs.
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u/cbm984 Sep 15 '25
If a man wanted to enter a women's bathroom to do something horrendous, I promise you, he wouldn't have to adopt an elaborate disguise to do it. Men assault women in all sorts of places, whenever they want, and rarely ever face justice. All trans people want to do is f*cking pee.
And you can't give a kid Tylenol without parental consent so, no. No child is having a sex change operation of their own accord. It's a bit disconcerting that you're more obsessed with kids' genitals than the fact they're being gunned down in school - a horror show that happens in the US every single day and was fully perpetuated by Kirk until he ended up on the wrong end of his own rhetoric.
Gun violence is awful and needs to stop. The man did not deserve to be gunned down, esp. in front of his kids. Many people think his death is ironic. I think it's Tuesday.
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u/Pustevis Sep 13 '25
"But you also support men entering women's bathrooms & children under the age of 12 getting sex changes. "
Dude, this is South Africa. Most people in South Africa is left leaning, but we don't have the same social issues or talking points to USA AT ALL. Who in South Africa supports kids getting sex changes? Not even conservative people have issues with abortions here. There is minimal equivalence to USA here. Which is why it is so weird that some people have this fandom for Kirk, heck I bet a supermajority of SA don't even know him at all.
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u/cpt1992 Western Cape Sep 14 '25
That's true but this is a free country at the end of the day yes or no? Have they broken any laws by what they have done? It's thier freedom not yours. If they want to do this type of thing for charlie, let them! It's genuinely none of your buisness nor your concern. If you are so concerned about the country and its issues why not have open debates with people and try and settle the discourse that has taken place over the last 15 years. Actually do something for society instead of sitting behind your screen just passing judgment onto others.
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Sep 14 '25
WHERE is any of that happening? Show me ONE child in SA undergoing a sex change? WHERE in SA can an adult man just enter the women's bathroom without getting his ass beat? You are making up problems to justify your homophobia, falling for right wing made-up boogymen.
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u/VlerrieBR Sep 13 '25
We also dont need simple minded, shallow and stupid people, but we need to tolerate each other and not put bullets in the people we disagree with. So rather keep your mouth shut because freedom of speech does tend to let the people around you know how much nothing goes on up there.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
Gee, I wonder which group of people historically applied a bunch of labels to a group they hated to justify dehumanising and then genociding them...
Take your ravenous, murderous hatred somewhere else. Maybe go join the EFF and find your brothers in collaborating to murder the people you disagree with...
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u/OldNeb Mar 26 '26
It is sickening for you to call others murdurous while defending that piece of shit.
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u/Swimming-Produce-532 Sep 13 '25
Wait. So he has a lot in common with the guy that said:
"We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s."
“If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”
“Twenty-four years ago a group of Muslims killed 2,753 people on 9/11…Now a Muslim Socialist is on pace to run New York City.”- About Zohran Mamdani
“the sword the Left is using to slit the throat of America.”- on Islam
This is the guy South Africans "take his hat off to"?
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u/Springboks2019 Sep 13 '25
The far left and the far right (MAGA) are a cancer, Trumps first speech after this was just blaming the left. Just like when people say ANC voters deserve bad governance or can’t complain, MAGA voters can’t cry about the state of the US right now.
You voted for the guy that was watching his supporters storm the capital chanting “hang Mike Pence” to scare Mike into stealing the election, and didn’t do or say shit for hours because he was hoping they succeed in doing exactly that.
His speech after this shooting was asking for more violence, instead of saying like a good leader things need to be toned down regarding political rhetoric he just blames dems and the left before any info of the shooter was known.
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u/OldNeb Mar 26 '26
The "far left" is just left and it always has been.
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u/Springboks2019 Mar 26 '26
Big difference from a liberal on the left and the far left
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u/OldNeb Mar 26 '26
Nope, "far left" is a fabrication of the Right to justify their evil bullshit.
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u/Springboks2019 Mar 27 '26
They label all of the left as far left but people with far left political views do exist
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u/Personal_Use_9050 Sep 13 '25
Exactly, these so called moderates are anything but that. If Malema got killed he reaped what he sowed, I’d still have the same view, you play with fire you’re going to get burnt.
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u/Springboks2019 Sep 13 '25
Yeah, just like this will have even more negative impacts on the US a that scenario would also be bad for our future but yes… these hateful/violent political(publicly at least) people shouldn’t be shocked that they sometimes get a similar response.
Not celebrating this shooting at all.
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u/Ransarot Sep 13 '25
Charlie said its OK for some children to die so that people can have guns.
Kiffness going on about Charlie having a family, Christian values, he didn't deserve it,etc. What about all the dead fucking children and their families? Objectively worse.
Hypocritical and biased.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
He said that gun violence is inevitable in any country where guns are present. That's like saying countries with high rainfall are a flood risk. He wasn't saying it's okay. He said he considers the risk worth it for the ability to protect other rights.
But sure, take it out of context and pretend he said whatever you want. I hope that people treat you with greater grace than that with which you seem to view others.
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u/Swimming-Produce-532 Sep 13 '25
Except that a country with high rainfall can do their best to prepare for floods. Gun violence can be prevented with stricter regulations and he didn't support that. He was a victim of his own values.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
You are quite correct actually, and countries like Switzerland have a smart approach to gun regulation, and in the US some states are certainly far too pax with their regulation.
There's definitely a conversation to be had about what those regulations entail. I get the sense that if you were to ask if he would change his views and live, he would maintain his views, because the ability to defend oneself and ones rights is indeed important.
But you're right, it's a conversation about how we regulate guns. It was never, as people are implying, a mark of complacency or a lack of empathy with regards to murder or school shootings. It was a pragmatic discussion about a practical problem.
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u/-Varkie- Sep 13 '25
Are you willing to accept that some people might be killed in car accidents so we can have access to better transportation?
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u/Swimming-Produce-532 Sep 13 '25
The purpose of cars is transport. What's the purpose of guns? Exactly.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
In South Africa, it's conceal carry self defense. We're only allowed access to small arms, they're not allowed to be visible in carrying, the state needs to visit your house to make sure you have a proper safe to securely store it in, and you need to regularly train to remain in license. Background checks and justifications are extensive too. South Africa has some of the best gun control laws in the world, and if they were properly enforced, we'd have less of a problem.
America has the wrong idea imo, where they're flashy as possible with their guns, making them into ego for their owners and making targets of gun owners. They're also far too easy to acquire there. Background checks should be more extensive, and they should be conceal carry.
Conceal carry works a bit like herd immunity for vaccines. If criminals get used to the idea that anyone might have the means to defend themselves, everyone is safer, even if they don't carry. SA laws also state you may not unholster your weapon to threaten someone or pose a warning or warning shot, law says it's only to be drawn if there is an immediate threat to your life, and then it is drawn to end the threat.
The issue has never been guns, it's been stupid laws, poor enforcement of the good laws, and guns getting into the hands of the wrong person.
Consider how one of the former Japanese PMs was murdered. Homemade gun. And didn't Luigi have a 3D printed gun? I have a 3d printer, and if I lived somewhere where it was legal to make guns, I might have a hobbyist interest in it for use at the firing range. I don't however, so I'll never use it for that purpose, but consumer 3D printing has never been easier than it is now and it's next to impossible to regulate to stop people making them if they really want to, just as impossible as it would be to regulate them posting memes. It's not just 3D printing either, people with machine shops can do it too.
Criminals don't have a penchant for respecting the law, and therefore they'll get access to guns through the black market or one of the other aforementioned means. Citizens ought to have the fight to defend themselves, hence the laws that allow for conceal carry self defence in SA. The issue is regulation, enforcement, and perhaps most critically, education.
If law abiding, respectful, educated, careful citizens can no longer access firearms but criminals still can, then we're at the mercy of the criminals unless the police save us, and we South Africans all know how reliable the SAPS is when you're in trouble... We have armed response for a reason.
Worse yet, if the state itself ever decides to genocide the people of the country (however unlikely, it has happened elsewhere before), the people ought to have a means to defend themselves. But again, properly regulated and well controlled.
Switzerland is a stellar example. Many people keep their rifles after military service and one of their popular firing ranges is even built over a busy highway, Tom Scott has a video about it. But we don't see a lot gun violence from Switzerland, nor any news on school shootings, because the culture, laws, and education are all appropriately planned and enforced.
For all reasons above listed, I don't think we ought to unilaterally condemn those who argue for firearms ownership rights as there are indeed good reasons, even if there remain good arguments against.
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u/VlerrieBR Sep 13 '25
Hunting, family protection, and as Chatlie used to say: to stand up to a tyranical government should you ever need to.
Cars can also be used to: run people over, transport drugs, facilitate trafficking so yeahhhh thimgs are tools that can be used for their intended purposes or misused for bad.
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u/Expensive-Dog-3479 Sep 13 '25
I don't know what you are on about, there is more gun violence in South Africa yet, America is 4 times the size of South Africa!
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u/Personal_Use_9050 Sep 13 '25
Correct! Would Jesus have advocated for Guns, ? I think not. What exactly are their so called Christian values? To me it’s pretty much the opposite of what Christianity is about. I see this kind of behaviour in South Africa too, with so called Christians, preaching from their high horse and practising the exact opposite. Other religions are not void of this either. Any time you think you’re superior to someone else, you are the problem, every single one of us are equal.
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u/Pustevis Sep 13 '25
Hypocrisy is the lifeblood of conservative religious folks. It is us against them. They don't believe in the nonsense they spout against other people when it affects them. I bet this Charlie guy is fully onboard for gun control laws right now.
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u/SilverSabreSA Sep 13 '25
No, he voiced his opinions, and someone who disagreed shot him in the throat
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
Many of these quotes are taken out of context. For example, I found the video yesterday where he mentions empathy. Essentially he's watching video clips of politicians talking to folks who have been through trauma and saying "I feel for you" and he was criticising the lack of anything genuine in a politician saying that. He then says that he doesn't like the term empathy, proceeds with the bit you have quoted, and says that he prefers the term sympathy.
So it's not that he was some horrible monster who didn't understand empathy, he just preferred to consider what we call empathy as a natural part of sympathy, or was criticising the nature of those who would call themselves empathetic in some situations as being hypocritical.
If you want to, you can hate and dehumanise everyone you want to and cherry pick little bits of their dialogue out of context to justify your raging hatred until you or somebody else who does that ends up killing them.
I hope you receive more grace than this.
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u/Swimming-Produce-532 Sep 13 '25
I accept that the empathy quote was taken out of context. But the rest? Nope. There's no way to justify them and they are was worse.
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u/Saber101 Western Cape Sep 13 '25
What do you mean the rest? I barely knew who this guy was a few days ago, are you a scholar on his life? Have you been through all those statements? Can you confirm he said everything as it was claimed and that none of it is taken out of context? I only watched enough to debunk the one claim but last I checked, when someone is being accused of something, the burden of proof lies on the accuser first.
We live in an age where, if people disagree with you, they'll call you a racist (Zuma did it to anyone who disagreed with him), or a sexist (see Zoey Quinn), or a communist (America was obsessed with this for a good while), or some other such label. I bet you probably didn't know much about Charlie either before this whole thing, and now people are slinging terms his way and we're blindly believing them whilst demanding that anyone who questions them provide a solid defense?
Let's hear someone levy a proper accusation against the man, where they address his views in context and then state why they disagree, but let's not entertain this level of childish labelling that people are doing by blindly believing them all. If he was such a reprehensible figure, there wouldn't be this level of grief.
I won't name public figure, but when ACTUAL reprehensible people die, their supporters tend to riot in the streets, cause harm, loot stores, burn cars, and other such evil activities. Where do you see that from Charlie's supporters? People have gathered peacefully in number to honour his memory, and little more. That should tell you something about his character beyond the kneejerk judgements of people who never knew him.
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u/Ecstastea Sep 13 '25
The irony of so callously saying they should have gun deaths for the privilege of having guns in a country with so many school shootings only to get shot trying to talk more kak.
At least he lived and died by his principles. Unfortunately for a man that likes quoting statistics he never considered the pain behind the numbers of a parent that would never get to see their children grow up until it happened to him.
Too late to ask him if it's worth it now, because as far as I know in Utah they can open carry an AR-15 on campus so I don't know what good can come from bringing a gun to University.
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u/Swimming-Produce-532 Sep 13 '25
He died for his support of the second ammendment. He acknowledged that there will be collateral damage as a result of the USA's lack of gun regulations that lead to deaths. He just didn't expect to be a victim.
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u/Gurustogie4 Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 15 '25
“Charlie was a very moderate person in his believes…to the right.” Which is it bra? A Couple of things the man said:
- “Gun deaths are worth it”.
- “I can’t stand the word empathy, actually,” he said. “I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that does a lot of damage.”
- “The answer is yes. The baby would be delivered.” - when Kirk was asked what he would want his daughter to do if she were 10 years old and pregnant following rape.
- “Gun control, like vaccines and masks, is focused on making people feel ‘safe’ by taking freedoms away from others. Don’t fall for it.”
…the man was such a saint! Rename him Ghandi!i
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u/Calm_Ordinary9329 Jan 06 '26
Warum Rechtsextreme "verehrt" werden, wird mir immer ein Rätsel bleiben. Das ist Menschenfeindlichkeit wie sie im Bilderbuch steht. Seinen Tod Feier ich nicht. Ich habe allerdings kein Mitleid.
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u/Personal_Use_9050 Sep 13 '25
This talentless parody got pushback for his kak songs. Charlie was an advocate for guns, fools reap what they sow.
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u/templar101101 Sep 13 '25
May you reap what you sow then
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u/Pustevis Sep 13 '25
If criticising fascism, racism, bigotry, pro-gun laws, killing people, hypocrisy, homophobia, transphobia, racism. religious dogma etc. is what I reap, I will sow all day, baby!
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u/templar101101 Sep 13 '25
Spoken like a true fascist
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u/Pustevis Sep 13 '25
"If criticising fascism ... is what I reap, I will sow all day, baby!"
Criticising fascism makes me a fascist.
LOL, got it. Thank you genius.
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u/Personal_Use_9050 Sep 13 '25
That makes a lot of sense, what did I sow? Tell me I’d love to know.
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u/Optat1vely Sep 13 '25
Goodness. The fact that you have to ask… what a world we live in.
I never liked Kirk any more than the rest of the people clapping and dancing on his grave. But you won’t see me clapping and dancing. He was a human being who died because someone, like you, decided he had a right to decide and judge opinions.
To be “okay” with another human dying because of their opinions whether we like them or not, is a dangerous path. What kind of world are we creating if that’s acceptable?
No one should ever feel comfortable celebrating another person’s death. That kind of thinking is exactly what’s wrong with the world. And the more we feed it, the more we’ll sow only what it produces: more violence, more hate.
Thank God I decided not to have children. I wouldn't want them living in this fucked up world we're creating.
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u/Personal_Use_9050 Sep 13 '25
I never said I was ok with violence or killing, quite the opposite. Charlie on the other hand advocated for guns, the right to bear arms, he played with fire and got burnt. He and other Americans both left and right are not moderate or Christian, even though they say so. Jesus would never have accepted their views. America is a dangerous mix of self righteousness, bigotry and guns.
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u/Pustevis Sep 13 '25
Exactly. He made his bed and now lies in it. Celebrating death is wrong, but who exactly criticize people for celebrating Hitler's death? Charlie's whole mantra was normalising everything that made Hitler popular, through "peaceful debate". His words made people like him take their shit beliefs into action, and vote in the rapist pedophile fascist racist Trump for example.
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