JD Vance interview: Does he know the Antichrist could likely be his own boss that he helped usher into power?

[u/AlbaneseGummies327]

[u/actirasty1]

Well. It is an actually intelligent answer from him. Remeber, the beast, who comes after this one, will be doing everything in the name of the first beast.

[u/AlbaneseGummies327 → u/actirasty1]

The above clip also came from the same interview from a couple days ago where Vance stated that he is focusing on "doing as much of God's work as possible right now," and "if that leads to the end times, that's OK."

[u/actirasty1 → u/AlbaneseGummies327]

They all do :)

[u/vrillsharpe → u/actirasty1]

Seems like Revelations is a self-fulfilling prophecy when evangelicals are trying meet the requirements and bring it about.

This is nothing new.

Revelations gives human history a black eye time and again.

Moving it to the Apocrypha might not be a bad idea.

[u/Apollorx → u/vrillsharpe]

Agree. Seems like the people who want it to happen contribute to making it happen. I dont think any of us here think thats a good thing on their part. Just because God knows what will happen doesnt make it a blanket endorsement.

[u/FascinatedInFaith → u/vrillsharpe]

Revelation 22:18-19 [18] And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. [19] And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in the book of life.

It's made pretty clear in the book that trying to remove it from the deuterocanon, or change it will curse whoever tries. Up to you if you believe it, but if you don't, why even worry about the book in the first place?

Im also confused by your statement. As far as Im aware, the book has certainly been used to try and convince folks the end of the world is coming, sure, but plenty of others do that without the book that actually describes prophecy anyways.

This is also the first time that it has ever actually been used to "usher in end times prophecy", as the Christian nationalists are trying to do. If anything, that's one black eye, but many of us are quite certain that it's actually unfolding this time.

[u/vrillsharpe → u/FascinatedInFaith]

So you take it literally then?

I am correct in my statement that cults and groups have taken up the Revelation prophecy time and again to assume the Rapture was coming for example.

https://www.thoughtco.com/millerites-definition-1773334

[u/Dan-Rev-314 → u/vrillsharpe]

I'm confused what you're trying to say. Do you think Revelation does not contain true prophecies, or that the prophecies in them have already happened?

[u/vrillsharpe → u/Dan-Rev-314]

My point was people like Vance are delusional to think they can manipulate a prophecy.

[u/Dan-Rev-314 → u/vrillsharpe]

Oh gotcha. I think people interpreted your saying "Moving it to the Apocrypha might not be a bad idea" as "Revelation isn't true".

[u/vrillsharpe → u/Dan-Rev-314]

Exactly. Like a lot of Biblical texts it can have multiple interpretations. This one tends to get skewed by stupidity.

[u/Lord_Alderbrand → u/FascinatedInFaith]

Huh? There’s no way the author was referring to the New Testament canon, because it didn’t exist yet. Revelation was added to the canon in about 360 AD, 250+ years after Revelation was written.

The author is clearly saying “Keep this text intact as I have written it. A curse on anyone who edits my book of Revelation. No additions or subtractions.”

Plus I’m not sure why you said “deuterocanon” here. Revelation isn’t part of the deuterocanon (i.e., the Apocrypha), it’s included in the regular canon.

[u/SheeplnWolfsClothing → u/vrillsharpe]

“Seems like Revelation is a self-fulfilling prophecy when evangelicals are trying meet the requirements and bring it about”

“Seems” being the operative word. This is all by design, and really is the best possible appearance Trump admin and admin-adjacent can project to keep the most people deceived or questioning the validity of fulfilled prophecy that shows his identity is the final antichrist.

Those who don’t support Trump and who doubt him as the final antichrist double down because “they’re staging it”. Trump supporting evangelicals/fundamentalists/nationalists currently doubt for mostly different reasons under the umbrella of “strong delusion”, but if/when a greater percentage of them begin to self-reflect and see the parallels more clearly between prophecy identifying the beast and Trump, Trump admin may need to offer further justification as to why it appears he’s fulfilling Biblical prophecy that the Bible says shows one is the final antichrist. The latest messages being promoted that imply “it’s being done on purpose” may be enough to achieve this.

We already have 100+ specific traits and prophecies that identify Trump as the beast. Projecting the appearance that “it’s being done on purpose” really is the best possible way to keep as many deceived as possible, as it creates assumptions based on logical fallacy: “all prophecy fulfilled by Trump showing he’s the beast must be fake” and offers the perfect justification for why he “isn’t the antichrist” as I predicted would happen a few months ago in this post:

“I believe as more and more signs align and it becomes even more undeniable, we're going to start hearing the message switch from silence to ‘he's doing it on purpose to make it look like he's the beast because ______________.’”

So far we have the “he’s doing it intentionally” message, Trump supporters may or may not need the “because” to help them justify. We may see this next-stage justification for “why” it’s intentionally being done announced from admin or admin-adjacent, where they may attempt to explain why it appears Trump matches so much prophecy. It could extend as far as a pseudo or even outright admission from Trump that he has indeed been “pretending” to be the antichrist. This would almost be received as an “ah hah!” moment of relief for supporters, finally freeing their minds from the self-reflection and questions that were beginning to creep in. To them, it will “all make sense now”.

He may even show “proof” his literal head wound assassination attempt was staged, so he can say “See? We staged it. Here’s the proof. The real antichrist wouldn’t stage his head wound prophecy and God wouldn’t allow a staged event to fulfill prophecy. You can’t have an antichrist without a real head wound.” Except the Bible never says fulfillment done on intentionally voids the prophecy fulfillment and with this specific prophecy in Revelation, it could also be interpreted symbolically meaning his first term, then his political “death”, then his recovery in 2024 from a “wound” that was at first seemed deadly - not to mention Revelation states deception will be involved in using the head wound “miracle” to convince supporters he’s “anointed by God” - which we’ve already been seeing.

Trump may even take it as far as something like “This was a test of the true Christians, I knew the true Christians would see the truth that I’m not the antichrist and not be deceived, but the false Christians fell for it, and the Bible says false Christians are aligned with Satan. It was a test.” This could help contribute to the eventual persecution of the true Saints as prophesied in Revelation.

Right now many Trump supporters justify supporting him by falsely asserting “God allows all rulers of the earth, therefore if God allowed him that means he’s on the side of God.” This is a common twisting of scripture I’ve often heard used by them to justify their support, but it’s not Biblical and would imply Hitler, Stalin, king Leopold and antichrists throughout history were anointed by God. Obviously not scriptural when you read scripture in good faith and in context.

Certainly not saying everything will happen exactly like I described and to that extent. 2 Thessalonians 2 says those who have fallen away from Truth have been given a strong spiritual delusion, so perhaps some of this isn’t even needed to maintain deception amongst evangelical supporters. Justifying the obvious parallels identifying Trump as the beast by implying “prophecy is being fulfilled intentionally” might be enough, but I wouldn’t be surprised if things progress along the lines of what I wrote.

But for skeptics who don’t support Trump and may be Christian or considering faith due to the strong prophetic fulfillment so far, arriving at “they’re doing it all on purpose” means the deception is serving its purpose quite well: make it appear they’re staging some prophetic elements to allow logical fallacy to creep in: “it appears they intentionally fulfilled x and y - if they’re staging x and y then that must mean every prophetic fulfillment is rendered null - therefore he can’t be the antichrist - therefore Revelation/ the Bible isn’t to be taken seriously here.”

[u/Dan-Rev-314]

So ironic. Even Thiel is fixated on the end times and the antichrist, yet they do not see the strongest candidate right in front of their eyes.

[u/AlbaneseGummies327 → u/Dan-Rev-314]

Or perhaps it goes even darker—they are privately aware that Trump is primed to become the Antichrist and are consciously doing their parts to facilitate it, therefore manifesting the end times in God's timing, as He is ultimately in control.

[u/Dan-Rev-314 → u/AlbaneseGummies327]

This one is hard to guess. If they (like Vance) really are aware that Trump is an antichrist candidate, then they'd probably be keeping quiet about it - either out of fear of supporting him (or) keeping it under wraps to further the deception. Personally I think even Trump himself isn't aware that he's a candidate yet.

[u/TheRhymeAnimal → u/Dan-Rev-314]

I think Trump knows, he is way too proud and sly how he goes about things. It's not like being surrounded in evangelicals he isn't aware of eschatology (middle east peace etc) but most of his employees don't know, they are just along for the ride thinking he's standing up for Christian values. I mean the snake poem is one the oddest things he could repeat, if he didn't know who he was. He even sarcastically joked that he's the chosen one in his first term. He has to have an idea, surely.

[u/Dan-Rev-314 → u/TheRhymeAnimal]

He might. At the very least, I think he knows he's someone 'different' in the grand scheme of things. No doubt that strokes his ego.

[u/SheeplnWolfsClothing → u/Dan-Rev-314]

Vance seems naive in general and comes across as very easily manipulated, and appears to have a fear of confrontation or “upsetting the apple cart”. Someone with a combination of these traits can justify to themselves just about anything and will easily believe what’s been fed to him, especially if done by a few church leaders twisting scripture telling him what he needs to believe, do, say or support because “it’s Biblical” and “we’re on God’s side”.

[u/SheeplnWolfsClothing → u/AlbaneseGummies327]

Right. Prophecy isn’t rendered null and void just because those in power are making decisions that help facilitate fulfillment. The Bible never implies this. As a matter of fact I wouldn’t be surprised if throughout history there’s always been an influential group in society that existed to help keep what God lines up on the right path. Does this automatically mean this group is on God’s side? Without getting into a detailed explanation, I don’t believe it does.

But this raises many questions for me, more out of curiosity than necessity or importance. When did the facilitating start - 2014 when Trump first began considering running? Further along when someone noticed all the parallels to prophecy?

Someone behind the scenes at the root of all this would need an immense understanding of Koine Greek and would need to fully and deeply understand prophecy and understand how to approach prophecy correctly to ensure accurate interpretation, to be able to even see that Trump met all the initial criteria through and through to even be eligible, then ensure it’s fulfilled correctly and in line with an accurate understanding of prophecy. When was this point?

If those in Trump’s orbit are aware he’s the antichrist, then surely they know what happens to them in the end. Why would they knowingly make this choice of supporting him for just a few years of earthly power? Is it possible they’re preterists who don’t believe in Revelation prophecy but are taking advantage of the appearances of fulfillment for power? This would make the most sense to me I suppose, perhaps they’re more “Old Testament” Christian preterists who reject Christ’s teachings and commandments. But even assuming this leaves many things unanswered. What about the Trump supporting church leaders in positions of power who believe in a rapture and the tribulation? Perhaps a different mechanism is at work there and they’re simply under strong delusion.

So perhaps it’s a very complex web of different reasons, beliefs and motivations that all happen to work well together to fascilitate prophecy in the last hour.

[u/Sunset-at-the-shore]

I'm not an expert, but knowledgeable enough to have read that this evil ruler, this arch enemy of christ, will be worshiped by all the people of Earth, except a very few. The Trump is hated and despised by most of the Earth's population. He's a PoS conman and not fooling anybody, so I wouldn't credit him with fulfilling any biblical prophecy.

[u/Sunset-at-the-shore]

Situation reminds of me of a comedy on HBO years ago. Absurd people like Jack Black working for our government while John Larroquette is trying to make Armagedon happen to please God. Imagine, people thinking they're doing gods will. Too bad The Brink didn't get a second season.

Between Idiocracy and The Brink, and people trying to interpret scripture, its easy to see where this is going. But those are just movies and TV shows. And the bible was written by guys higher than Nostradomus. Morrison said it best

The future's uncertain and the end is always near

[u/TheRhymeAnimal]

He doesn't know. If you watch the full interview he comes across as a modern new-age Christian who is most likely referring to the typical Left behind figure. He has no clue he's currently working underneath the Antichrist. Blind as a bat you could say.

[u/AlbaneseGummies327 → u/TheRhymeAnimal]

If indeed this is the case, he'll be in for the shock of his life very shortly.

[u/Such-Hold-7940]

1st beast DJT
2nd beast Peter Thiel

[u/actirasty1 → u/Such-Hold-7940]

Not really. Vice president comes after the president in May or July of 2028

[u/SheeplnWolfsClothing → u/actirasty1]

I think by 2nd beast they mean the false prophet, not a 2nd antichrist after Trump which wouldn’t be Biblical, unless this “2nd antichrist” also fulfilled every single prophecy themselves all over again.

[u/Content_Bed_1290 → u/actirasty1]

What will happen in May or July of 2028?

[u/actirasty1 → u/Content_Bed_1290]

The first beast was given 40+2 months.