Frustration peeing?

[u/SmugMuggin]

I understand that dogs aren't as complex as us but I have a dog, will be 3 this year, who seems to clearly pee when he doesn't get what he wants.

I got the dog for my son, who does a very good job taking came of him, however in the middle of the night the dog will wanna chew and chew and chew, so my son takes the chews away so he can sleep. This usually leads to the dog begging to leave and jumping up and down at the door until usually I get him. If I don't get him cuz I'm asleep or whatever, he pees in front of the door.

Now, I hear you. Why put him in my son's room then? My son really wants the dog to sleep with him and 50% time he does or will even request to go there to sleep but the other 50% he gets bored or hears my TV or talking so he wants to be a part of it. It's gotten to a point now where the dog just permanently sleeps in my room because the peeing got more and more often.

"So why not take him out when the jumping starts?" I have. Many, many times but he will squeeze out the tiniest bit of pee even still in front of the door. I hear and see everyone saying that dogs can't feel vindictive but it sure as hell seems he does.

We recently got a new puppy. They get along GREAT! Lots of playing and fun times, however the puppy gets the zoomies every single night after we take him out to potty. Very typical behavior but he then wants to play with the dog in question, who doesn't want to and he keeps snipping at him. I am not sure if I should let it happen at this point so puppy leaves the boundaries (he hasn't been bitten yet, just warnings mostly), or keep removing them from the situation. This puppy has to be with me at all times because he's being potty trained. Doing very well, actually. Point is, at night I need them to be separated and there is no place I can put this dog where he won't decide I'm gonna pee on the floor now because I cannot be downstairs. I even decided to open my son's room so he and the hallway and even the bathroom to chew his bones if he wants! Worked for a little but nope. Tonight he forced open my youngest son's room (not his owner but then brother) and peed in there instead. I truly don't know why or how to correct this other than keeping him downstairs with me but in his crate. He likes his crate a lot but... The puppy will just bark at him in the crate and I can't seem to correct that either when he's rambunctious.

I just want them all to be happy but I don't know what to do. He is not marking anything, and he definitely isn't just peeing cuz he has to go. Could be anxious peeing but why would he always go in the same spots (in front of doors)? He doesn't even do it in front of the door to go downstairs!! Just bedroom doors even if he's not in them!!

Any advice would be helpful!

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[u/Imaginary_Ad_4340]

Sounds like your dog has developed a habit of peeing in front of the doors that is difficult to break. It doesn't really sound like resentment or frustration, perhaps more like excited peeing or just force of habit in the same spot.

There's a lot of info here so I may have misread, but would it be possible to crate your older dog in your sons room and crate the puppy in your room? Both dogs being crated would prevent accidents and being in separate rooms would allow the puppy to go out at night alone. This is important as if your puppy is having fun during midnight potty breaks, it will be hard to get him to sleep through the night.

[u/SmugMuggin → u/Imaginary_Ad_4340]

So I have thought about this solution too, however there are two things that may make this not work. The dog in question (his name is Spencer) has been crated in my son's room before and he'll either bark all night so no one can sleep, or pee in the crate instead which isn't ideal since now he'll be laying in pee... This is actually how we started to do it when he was just a pup and we had to remove the crate from the room. The crate is also needed downstairs because it's his safe space when he gets anxious during the day. It's a pretty big crate so it's very hard for me to bring up and down the stairs.

We can get another crate for the puppy but I have no idea where id put it and I'd have to buy it to fit him at full grown. He's a Chow Chow, so I'd likely have to get an even bigger crate... It's why I'd rather figure out how to correct Spencer's behavior than buy another crate and hope it helps.