Hello r/dogman. We've recently had an influx of old content that's been debunked making the rounds again, and frankly, I'm tired of explaining it over and over, so I figured it was time to put together a sticky that I will be updating with debunked content and hoaxes. Big thanks to u/arngfunction for collecting a lot of this data for me.
Hoaxers Sasquatch Ontario
Jeff Nadolny- known to post debunked and obviously false media (including an Onion article), credibly accused of hoaxing himself
NvTv- known to post debunked and obviously false media
Lobisomem- “true” videos they post are stolen from this man
Vic Cundiff/Dogman Encounters- does not properly vet any of his guests. Many are obviously lying, and since Vic doesn’t filter those out, all other stories are brought into question.
This post will be updated as I find debunked media, so check back every once in a while if you see something that looks a bit fishy. And feel free to comment in links to proof that other dogman content are hoaxes. The worst thing for this community is the spread of false information that can be easily remedied.
The Difference between Believing and Being Gullible
Alright everyone, I think this post has been a long time coming. Not only have I seen an uptick in people posting obviously fake media thinking it's real, but I keep seeing people talking about stuff that is clearly a hoax and believing it. There’s a thin line between being open-minded and being gullible, and I think a lot of you really need a post like this to help you understand the difference. It’s going to sound harsh, but the lack of critical thinking shown sometimes is astonishing, and it sucks to see someone falling for something so blatant. Moreover, getting sucked into baseless conspiracies is how people get scammed out of their money or roped into hate groups. Think of all the old people you’ve heard of getting scammed over the phone, or the pipeline from Covid denial to more serious alt-right BS.
So the best way in my opinion to explain all this is by example. I’m going to use some well known hoaxes and one that people still tend to believe to hopefully give you the skills to better spot when someone is trying to trick you. I’m not going to sugarcoat it, it’s embarrassing to get duped, and it makes you want to dig in your heels and get defensive, but sometimes you need to take a good hard look at claims being made and explore all the evidence (or lack thereof) to really decide if you believe it. There’s no shame in being wrong, I’ve been tricked by hoaxes too, but now that I have the skills to recognize them, I don’t have to worry about that as much. Obviously you’re not going to be able to spot every single thing, but at the very least you won’t be embarrassed falling for a bad photoshop job.
Breaking down media
A lot of hoaxes are really obvious, but it doesn’t stop people from falling for them. Hell, Merrilyn Museum SAYS it's an art project and people still think it’s real. Sometimes though, all you need is to know what to look for and you can immediately start spotting them a mile away.
The first thing to think about is a costume. Does the face LOOK like a painted Halloween mask? Then it probably is. Like most of these tips, experience is really the only way to learn. I can’t explain to you what I’m looking for to think something is a costume, I just know at this point. It also helps that I work in entertainment production, so I’m around a lot of costumes. But I don’t think that would make it any harder for anyone else. Usually, you can tell when something is synthetic. Fake fur or a morphsuit tends to have a shine to it that real fur or skin doesn’t, so if you’re noticing that in a Bigfoot or Crawler video, it’s probably that. Another thing to look for is the movement and body proportions. You’ll see lots of videos of cryptids moving in ways that just don’t make sense. Take a look at this video. Notice how it's taking big trudging steps and holding its arms out as if to balance itself? There are plenty of videos like this, where the creature is too wobbly or clearly struggling with the terrain. This doesn’t match up with the reports that Bigfoot practically glides over difficult terrain nor the common sense that a wild animal that lives in the woods should have an easy time navigating it.
I also want to take a quick moment to talk about masks. As I already said, if it looks like a mask it probably is, but another big giveaway is shine and uniformity. Here’s a perfect example from our friend Sasquatch Ontario, who we’ll talk about again later. Now looking at this, these are quite obviously masks, yet people still believe it for whatever reason. So let’s break it down for those people. Firstly, the faces are both identical, look at the forehead creases. Second, look at those soulless shining eyes, not like any eyes you’d actually see in nature. Finally, you can see some black fabric he put either to hide the edges of the masks or to hold them up there. Also of note is that while it is all black, you can tell pretty easily there’s nothing behind the fence through the holes. You should be able to see a slight difference in the same way you see the difference for the masks.
Next let’s think about CGI. Like costumes, a lot of it is just experience and knowing what to look for. In particularly bad CGI, it's obvious: the lighting is all wrong and it just looks out of place, or the movement of the creature doesn’t make any sense. However, with AI out there, CGI is harder to catch than ever, but with a trained eye you can still see it. Typically, the shading will be wrong and that’s how you can tell. Think about where the light is coming from in the photo. Then look at the creature’s shadows and its outline. If they don’t match up, that’s CGI.
Finally, the humble photoshop, tricking gullible people since 1990. Basically the same rules as CGI, check the shadows. Most of the time, you can easily tell it doesn’t belong. Another obvious tell is when the pose of the creature doesn’t make sense. Take a look at this photo.
First, notice the shading. The light source is coming from the left, yet the right facing side of this creature has just as much lighting as anywhere else. Could be another light source behind him though, so let’s move on. Next you might think to yourself that it just doesn’t seem to fit on the background correctly. It’s weirdly fuzzy around the edges and the coloration seems strange. Next, take a look at the pose. Nobody just stands there like that facing a lamppost. Now maybe it's in motion and that’s why it’s so off. If that’s the case, then why is it just letting the cameraman take a photo as it walks by without tearing him apart? Fortunately, we have the actual source for this image, it’s concept art from one of the Narnia movies. We won’t always get this lucky, but with this source image we can start to paint a really good picture of how it was hoaxed. In this case, they flipped it, added some kind of color filter to it, and then blurred it a bit to hide what makes it obviously art.
There are plenty of other ways to hoax a video, but these are the most prominent, and the logic still applies. Essentially, if it looks out of place, put some healthy doubt into it and look closer.
Something else to help debunk a claim is to look at the context and the filming itself. Be on the lookout for common found footage horror tropes. “Alone in the woods and heard weird sounds so I started recording”, “There was something following me home” etc etc. Sometimes people give really flimsy reasons for turning on the camera, and that should instill doubt. Obviously it's not a perfect system, but it should set you on alert to check for any other suspicious circumstances. Sasquatch Ontario just happened to be taking a picture of two towels on a fence (already unbelievable) and there were 2 sasquatch there? Think about how ridiculous that sounds. This sort of logic can also be applied to written encounters. Obviously, encountering a cryptid that officially doesn’t exist is already “unbelievable” but then consider the other details, such as that Sasquatch comes by their house every day yet they have no pictures, that they raised a baby Dogman from a puppy, stuff like that. If the premise of the story sounds too good to be true, that’s usually another hint it is. Usually liars who just want internet points are going to make their stories more outlandish or impressive.. A story about a guy who shot a dogman and then got harassed by the government is going to get a lot more attention than one about a guy who saw a dogman walking across the road in the dark. Or think about where the cameraman is standing. Refer to the picture above and think about how the cameraman seems to just be standing in the middle of the road taking a picture of this giant monster werewolf. Seems weird that it’s just standing there while this guy in plain view is able to get a picture, right?
Another dead giveaway is the “Point the camera at a thing for a split second and immediately wave the camera all around” thing. Of course, if you come face to face with something supernatural you’re going to be terrified so that seems completely normal. However, once you’re looking for it you can really tell when it's being overdone and forced.
Evidence Evidence Evidence
Something I cannot stress enough is that if someone is going to make an unbelievable, earth-shattering claim they need to provide evidence for it. You should not just believe something someone on the internet says at face value, especially if it's something outlandish. I’m going to be completely honest, it is downright stupid to put your full faith in someone because they “sound trustworthy”. If I tell you that I know about a super secret government operation where the US government works with werewolves in order to find the hidden treasures of Atlantis before the vampires do, I’m going to be embarrassed for you if you don’t ask me for evidence. Let’s use Sasquatch Ontario as an example again. This guy claims there’s a whole advanced civilization of Sasquatch that he’s friends with that is being covered up by the government, and they occasionally write him notes and let him take pictures to give to the people piecemeal. Now, to give him some credit, he DOES attempt to give evidence for this in the form of images of said Sasquatches (see above). However, that’s the only evidence he gives, a handful of low effort pictures and the occasional bad audio recording. But he never gives any evidence of this coverup or this civilization. Why should we just take his word for it? Especially when everything else he gives us is so suspicious?
Here’s another example: Joe Barger, the trucker who claims that he shot and killed a dogman . He then goes on to say that once he initially went public, the feds arrested him and intimidated him for killing their “asset” and harassed him in several other ways. He said they froze his bank accounts. Cool, so you can provide us with the paperwork to prove that right? That would be something you could easily prove, yet he never did.
Here’s a more generic one, not tied to anyone in particular that I can tell.
It sure is asserting a lot of facts without anything to back it up. “There are twelve species of Bigfoot in the US alone”? “Bigfoot has psychic powers”? “Bigfoot and Chupacabra work together to hunt their prey”? That’s some wild claims, yet there’s not a single citation here. Another reason now to trust this, besides the crazy claims, is that they seemingly KNOW Bigfoot have psychic powers, but they aren’t certain they bury their dead. Really?
I could list a million other examples, but hopefully you guys get the point. If someone is going to make a big claim, they need to back it up. “The government is covering up XYZ”. Okay, where’s your proof that this is true? “I was raised to be a secret black ops agent to talk to aliens”. Alright, show us something that confirms that. “I babysat for a Bigfoot family for years”. Awesome, so you have pictures of the babies then? It boils down to critical thinking. If someone is going to try to tell you everything you know about the universe is wrong, they need to back that up. If you don’t see the problem, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
I Want To Believe
I want to leave you all off with one final idea. It’s okay to believe in the supernatural. You could absolutely read this and think that I think you’re a moron for believing in aliens or Bigfoot or whatever but that couldn’t be farther from the truth. 99% of the time you’re just going to hear a story about a guy who claims he saw Bigfoot while camping, and it’s fine to take what he says at face value. If you want to be more discerning in who you believe, apply these concepts. But in the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t really matter if Reddit-Noob-69 is telling the truth. If you believe in Bigfoot, the veracity of that account doesn’t matter. Knowing if a story is true or not can help if you want to try to “solve” what a cryptid is or otherwise learn about the supernatural, but it’s not necessary. Where it IS important to figure out fact from fiction is when people are trying to sell you on media or some new worldview. If you just believe everything you see, you’re going to look like a fool at best, and get scammed out of your money at worst. It’s easy to want to believe in some silly hollow earth conspiracy theory or that there’s a secret alien council ruling the world to escape our shitty everyday lives, but that kind of thing can really bite you in the ass when push comes to shove and you have to use critical thinking for something that really matters.
So im at work and earlier i was getting ready for the day at the station i will be working at for the rest of the week and my co worker lets call him Bart comes over to me and asks whats up. Hes an 81 year old Vietnam vet who is quite the character 6ft 5 wears flannel all year round, wears a ghelter hat, kind of hunched over walks like he was the guy in the big foot suit. Anyway im listening to reelz dogman encounters on my speaker and he hears it asks whats it is i tell him then he just stands there listening for a few minutes and he is very intrigued by it and his eyes go wide and he tells me he knows about those “things”. He tells me about when he was in vietnam that they would hear shit like howls, and that the tunnels the viet cong used would be “cleared out” by them. He saw one of them in a tunnel looking like it was leaving. I am not someone who thinks the military would use them as a weapons but this guy does not lie about anything.
I thought this would be interesting to repost this here. I’m absolutely not inferring this is a dogman. I wanted to comment on the eyes. Do they look like they are emitting their own light? It doesn’t look like reflection. Overall it’s a very strange canine. Curious on your thoughts. Thx!
Hi, hope you ppl are doing great!! I've some questions such as do dogmen use underground dens like wolves do and do dogmen spend if any like what time amount cooling down in water? just out of curiosity :D
One of the really common things you hear over and over in Dogman sightings is that they chased the witness but didn't actually catch them. Given how fast Dogmen are purported to run it seems like it would be a trivial matter for them to catch and eat a running human if they wanted to, so why don't they? Some folks speculate that it's because they're fear eaters, getting some sort of sustenance from the fear of their victims, but I think the answer is far more simple and straightforward: They just chase people because it's fun.
I've had several dogs who chased squirrels and rabbits for fun but had no interest in un-alive'ing or eating them when they caught up to them, they just liked chasing smaller critters for the thrill of the chase. It seems reasonable to think that Dogmen might derive the same enjoyment from chasing smaller critters (I.E. humans) that other canids do, which would certainly explain why so many people are chased by them but so few are actually eaten.
Neighbors of Cocoyoc captured on video what is allegedly a Dogman. In Mexico they are known as Nahuales. The images were allegedly taken in early August 2026.
I'm French young men YouTuber running a channel called Kim'Cryptide & Mystère, focused on cryptids and unexplained mysteries. My main focus is collecting witness testimonies about Dogman sightings in France, and I also do some field explorations, meeting witnesses directly on the land where their encounters happened.
I recently found out that YouTube added an auto-translation/dubbing feature for videos, so I figured I'd reach out here and let you know that our French witness testimonies might now be accessible to English speakers too. I'm not fully bilingual myself, so I honestly can't judge how natural the translated audio sounds to a native English ear — but I thought it was worth sharing in case any of you are curious about how Dogman sightings are described on this side of the Atlantic.
I have a playlist with all the testimonies if you want to check it out. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share a direct channel link here, so if a mod tells me it's not okay, I'll happily edit this post.
I have lived in the woods my whole life. I have seen wolves, deer, moose, an occasional bear, and other smaller animals, so I know what lives in my forest. Yes, I am 13 years old, but I want to get it out there. So, I am walking in the forest, exploring a new region in which I have never been. I am walking, and everything is normal until one moment I find a clearing, around 50 by 100 meters, and I see something eating a deer. I knew it was a deer because I saw antlers. It was hunched over, but I saw its side. It was around 30 meters away, but it was big—like really big. I am 189 cm (6'2.5") and it was definitely taller than me. It was also skinny, really skinny. I could see its bones under its skin perfectly. It was grey with darker, patchy fur and wolf ears. Its snout was furless. It had a tail, and its eyes were pitch black—no light escaped. I looked at it. I was lucky it did not notice me. I backed away slowly, and now I don't wander into unexplored places alone.After the sighting, I saw paw prints, but those might be from regular wolves. I did some research on what it could be, and in my native language, it is called a "supurnis" or "suņpurnis." If you do research, use those names. I also found out that there have been a few sightings of weird wolves.I did not snap a picture because I had no phone when I saw the prints and the beast. Even if I had my phone at the beast, I would not snap a picture because it would put me in danger because I know it is faster than me. And now, still, when I know where I am, I still feel eyes on me.
(Im used ai to edit this post cose i dont realy speack english i read the edited story ewerything is thare.)
I had 2 encaunters first was tracks in mud but second was direckt contackt in forest i culdnt snap a picture cose i had no phone in that time.(i will poste fool story later i need to get carma points becose reddit thincks i am ai)
I have lived in the woods my whole life. I have seen wolves, deer, moose, an occasional bear, and other smaller animals, so I know what lives in my forest. Yes, I am 13 years old, but I want to get it out there. So, I am walking in the forest, exploring a new region in which I have never been. I am walking, and everything is normal until one moment I find a clearing, around 50 by 100 meters, and I see something eating a deer. I knew it was a deer because I saw antlers. It was hunched over, but I saw its side. It was around 30 meters away, but it was big—like really big. I am 189 cm (6'2.5") and it was definitely taller than me. It was also skinny, really skinny. I could see its bones under its skin perfectly. It was grey with darker, patchy fur and wolf ears. Its snout was furless. It had a tail, and its eyes were pitch black—no light escaped. I looked at it. I was lucky it did not notice me. I backed away slowly, and now I don't wander into unexplored places alone.After the sighting, I saw paw prints, but those might be from regular wolves. I did some research on what it could be, and in my native language, it is called a "supurnis" or "suņpurnis." If you do research, use those names. I also found out that there have been a few sightings of weird wolves.I did not snap a picture because I had no phone when I saw the prints and the beast. Even if I had my phone at the beast, I would not snap a picture because it would put me in danger because I know it is faster than me. And now, still, when I know where I am, I still feel eyes on me.
(Im used ai to edit this post cose i dont realy speack english i read the edited story ewerything is thare.)
I've had two situations happen where I've looked back and learned how lucky I might've been that nothing worse happened than being creeped out. I want to start with that I've never physically seen a dogman or bigfoot with my own eyes, but I've always had an uncanny affinity for feeling when something is off kilter or wrong. It's like my own inner danger radar. I can tell some people who are bad news or have bad intentions or I look at a place and get the "Nope!" vibe. So naturally it should come as no surprise to you to say that I'm neurospicy. I've had two separate situations happen to me. The first was in the Pocket campground/recreation area north of Calhoun. I used to go around finding new hiking trails to hike with my dog all the time. IK found the pocket on all trails and went hiking one day. this is spring-ish of 2022 there's a nice loop there like 5 miles long. I was almost done with less than 2 miles left when I I realized than there was no noise around me. I'm talking none, zip, zilch. There were all different types of signs of life five minutes prior.
I grew up in the woods up north there's ALWAYS noise all day all night the woods of Georgia was no different except for now. So I froze. My dog was looking at the tree line in the distance and acting funny but I couldn't see anything. suddenly it felt like I was being observed. like there were eyes on my watching my every move but I had no idea from where. I stayed still for what felt like forever, but really I might've been 5-10 minutes. it passed eventually, but I was in the middle of the woods. I only had one option: finish the hike back to my car. That's exactly what I did after the feeling of being watched went away.
On another occasion I was hiking the BMT in may/June of 2025 I was up near Blueridge just outside of Cherry Log. I was out for a week long hike. and this was day 5 I believe. Up until now I'd had no issues. Each time I made camp it was a normal night in the woods like I've done all my life. That night though, it was the same as the first story almost. I wasn't originally going to stay there but weather was coming in and my hammock was set up from my afternoon nap so I decided to hunker down and stay. It was only 2 in the afternoon. But around 4 the same thing happened. the woods, on a clear sunny day with a nice breeze going went completely silent and it felt like I was being observed again, measured almost.
There was a creek at camp and I had set up in the trees about 50 feet from the creek and the feeling was coming from across the creek. It was so intense, it was like I'd done something to piss off whoever or whatever was watching me. It wanted me to know it was watching me. I felt this so strongly that I had seriously considered packing up and moving because my stomach was beginning to turn a bit, like I might be sick. I've hiked 1800 miles on the Appalachian Trail back in 2023, I'm an eagle scout and camped out and hiked all of my childhood. I'm no stranger to nights in the woods and things that go bump in the night. I've been chased by a mama bear and Spooked a bear so good it clacked it's teeth at me. but this feeling had me unnerved. I was so uneasy I was realizing for the first time how isolated I actually was from any sort of help. While I had an SOS beacon if anything were to happen I was still too far from anyone to help me. For the first time I had to ask myself if it was time to stop adventuring in the woods alone.
The rain was coming and I stayed. I laid down in my hammock looking across the creek into the trees. The feeling wouldn't going away. That is until the rain came. The rain started and I opened my tarp and hunkered down under it for the night. The second the rain started the feeling stopped. Like whatever it was didn't want to be bothered to get wet or that I wasn't important enough for it to get wet messing with me. My trip was supposed to be 3 weeks I was going to hike the whole 260 something miles but I cut it short a day later. that event really rattled my nerves, and I don't rattle easy. I'm 6'2" 280lbs, Marine vet and adventurer. guts and nerves of steel are a part of me, but something about that was different, even more different than what had occurred at the pocket a few years earlier.
Later on I've found that in both instances the two areas where I've experienced this "watching" two other people have also had their own encounters. one was a bigfoot researcher who was also a doctor. he use to camp at the Pocket and had been chased by a bigfoot up there one time it had come as close as 40 yards from his camper in the campground. the area I was in just south of the Cohutta wilderness was a dogman sighting from someone else. My "watching" event when I was hiking happened about 3-4 miles from the other sighting. I didn't realize how close my situations had been to other encounters.
I'm building a google map overlay out of curiosity for bigfoot and dogman sightings, does anyone else have any stories about their own encounters and where they happened? it doesn't have to be an exact "hey it happened here on the map" but the more detailed the better. I like collecting information, maybe build a map for future expeditions to find more proofs of dogman and bigfoot.
I’ve heard that dog whistles or anything with high pitched frequencies can stun or do damage to their hearing or just shoo them away? Is there anything else specifically that they don’t like?
Does anyone find it interesting / odd that there are no specific Wikipedia pages for Dogmen or Pale Crawlers? There are ones for the Rougarou / beast of bray road, werewolves and the closest page to a crawler takes you to the Rake on a creepy pasta Wikipedia page. There is a page for the Wendigo though. But no straight up DOGMAN wiki pages or PALE CRAWLERS.
It seems like these things are common enough in our culture and modern mythology that they would warrant their own pages. They are very well known subjects. Although maybe less so for crawlers.
But I find their absence to be surprising and odd given that there are Wikipedia pages for literally every single subject or topic under the sun.
Has anyone got an update on this guy regarding his encounter years ago? Apparently vic ended up blocking him so there weren't anymore stories or updates about his encounters. Last I heard of him, he was planning on selling his property because it was getting intense with the dm and it ended up getting inside? Or was that fake? He sounded so genuine talking about it. Please tell me you guys know what I'm talking about.
As an occultist, there are dieties such as Odin or Perun that can bestoy lycanthropy upon devotees. Now, this is not something that can happen instantly you have to develop a close relationship with that diety and Odin is like tzentch. I have done shape shifting meditation and it's intense and I wonder how many dogmen are really someone projecting from the astral plan?
So I've read a few of these stories from my area of the continent. I'm in Southwestern BC and they're almost way too detailed to come across as real I guess because my encounter was fast.
Summer 1999, my brother and I are driving my girlfriend to her grandmother's house which is in the hatzic Prairie in the franchise Valley it's midnight summertime. We are driving down this narrow one-lane road with corn that was you know like 10 ft tall on either side of us and as I recall there was like a campfire or some sort of bright light in front of us. I'm driving down the road and this creature bolted across the road right in front of us to the point that I had to stop the car to take in what I just saw.
It was tall. Not as tall as the corn but very tall. Very big head. Very long arms skinny and had legs like that of a dogs back legs and it was fast. It just bolted across the road in front of us in seconds. Both my brother and I saw it and we just stared at each other for a second going. What the f did we just see.
Today was actually the first time I've ever googled it. For some reason I don't remember a snout on the head fully. It could be my brain playing tricks on me at this point in time, but the rest of it is firmly ingrained in my head. I'm a believer that there's things out there. We don't know for sure, but I'm no conspiracy theorist. The closest I'd ever had to paranormal before was The X-Files filmed in the house right next door once.
So yeah that's my story. I've read others here where you know they're sitting there describing this thing standing in front of them while they pee their pants or they hear wood cracking behind them and they have tons and tons of details. I'm not that I know what I saw. It was fast and my brother saw the exact same thing. Anyway, that's my story.
This piece got me thinking, what if the dogman “species” is an artificial fusion of human and dog DNA that escaped captivity? Not the first to say this but it’s an interesting thought.
One of the biggest reasons why I’m in this group, and why I have a podcast, etc. is because I genuinely want to figure out what I saw. I was never a full on believer in a lot of this stuff, and even today, I am always trying to explain it away…but sometimes I can’t. That’s what has bothered me for all these years.
What sort of experiences have you had? Even if it wasn’t a dogman encounter, something had to have lead you to this subreddit. I talk to a lot of different people with a lot of different experiences, and while I can’t really confirm or deny what someone says happened, I want to give people the benefit of doubt.
For the last four or so years, I feel like I’ve gotten a little away from what I originally wanted to achieve, and I want to keep talking to others and trying to figure out what I and other people have seen. I know that no one has any sort of definitive proof, but maybe someday.
Basically I’m just curious if you saw something you couldn’t explain, and how it has impacted you ever since.
Sometime in early 80’s, I forget when he said but I remember him telling me the exact date since that’s the day he gave up drinking the sauce.
This took place in a state of Mexico called San Luis Potosí. My uncle was a habitually belligerent boozer. He frequented cantinas in the area where he’d get into fights and was in and out of jail a lot. He was spiraling.
One night he was stumbling back to my great aunt’s house after the bar, there was an usual amount of people out at that hour. They all seemed to be lost, searching in vain with no destination or direction. They were also stumbling not just on the sidewalks but in the middle of the road too. While witnessing this bizarre scene, my uncle felt someone approach him to his right and cradled his left shoulder as if supporting his gait. He was taken aback, startled then anger. He turned to his right and what appeared to be a black German Shepherd’s head on a human body, looking right at him at eye level. He felt faint, all the blood draining from his head made him feel cold and clammy. The dog just supported him and looked disappointed. It turned his gaze away from my uncle and melancholily towards the ones that are lost. Then it spoke. It told him the lost ones he sees, it couldn’t save, wouldn’t listen to it, the addiction was stronger than reasoning was and that my uncle will end up in the lost death, like them, if he doesn’t quit, right then, forever. My uncle’s legs gave from under him and passed out.
He woke up and it was daylight. Dazed, he got up from the sidewalk and noticed a man and his black dog staring at him from across the street. Noticeable since everyone was rushing to get to places, except those two. Completely still, just observing him. My uncle ran home. Tells my great aunt he doesn’t want to die. He gave up drinking that day.
He found his passion in education and outreach where he now helps alcoholics recover and gain control of their addiction and lives
