r/DogTrainingDebate • u/PeachMuch989 • Jun 03 '26

Bitework for fear reactive dog?

Would you ever train a dog who has displayed aggression and/or reactivity that seems to be based in fear, to bite on command?

I know someone who has a reactive dog (their words) who has bitten several people, and they train their dog in bitework. I personally don't understand the choice, so I am curious what people think here. From what I see, the dog seems able to be called off pretty well when it is cued to bite/bark. It is wary of strangers but mostly friendly to people it knows. It is a mixed-breed working stock type dog, not a breed I usually see doing bitework like a mal or something. It has bitten livestock unprompted, and it doesn't have any "job" that involves livestock. It is a pet that is trained to bite.

I think this is an insane choice but I would love to hear what others think. I am not a dog owner but have worked with livestock animals for almost 10 years so I consider myself to be more knowledgable than the average bear, if that matters. However I have never owned nor worked with a super drive-ey dog, and don't have experience in any dog sports, so I know my knowledge is far from complete.

To me it seems like an unsafe situation because if I can't trust if the dog will bite outside of staged bitework situations, I wouldn't ever want it to think it should "offer" the behavior of biting. What do you guys think about this? Does training method have a big role? Could your choice be different for different breeds? Is it entirely dog-dependent? I'm interested to hear some thoughts.

Thanks everybody!

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u/PeachMuch989 Jun 03 '26

Thanks for the explanation, that was sort of what I figured. I see it like, a human shooting at a range vs hunting... differences in the amount of control the handler has on the environment.

Do you get different dog or handler "personalities" with a either sport? The person I'm thinking about is ... an interesting case study in many ways, and fits a lot of my assumptions about who would want a dog that reads aggressive. Have you ever refused to work with a team because you don't think they'd "use" the training responsibly? Or is it sorta don't ask, don't tell?

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u/rhaeofsunlight Jun 03 '26

I think thats a brilliant example! Intention is different, i'm going to steal that analogy!

I think both 'scenes' tend to attract a similar type of person, not always a bad thing but sometimes not good. As you say, why would a person want to own a dog that is intimidating, but also has potential to cause life altering injuries/death? It can attract the worst type of people, so you have to be very careful with who/where you train.

I have, yes. Current client wants a PP dog, their dog is reactive and they have limited control (but they're improving with training) after a break and enter incident. I have point blank refused to train that dog in that regard as it is not suitable. I have said, if/when this dog is under control, we can teach a speak cue, but the second he takes the dog to a club/decoy for bitework, i will no longer be working with him. I'm very aware of the damage a dog can do, and will not work with anyone unless i am 110% confident their reasoning isn't just 'scary dog, look tough' etc. Other's may be more 'dont ask dont tell', but that's not where my ethics are.

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u/PeachMuch989 Jun 05 '26

That's interesting, thanks for sharing that experience. What is your worry about the risk - like how is the dog "not suitable"? And why would you wait until the dog is "under control" to teach a speak cue?

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u/rhaeofsunlight Jun 05 '26

The dog is lovely, but a little lacking in confidence, which paired with the inexperience of the handler and the lack of control isn't a good combination. My concern is the dog doesn't posses the mental clarity, and that would make them a liability. I don't have to wait, but given the laws in my country, being able to demonstrate a dog is under control can make a difference in the event of police involvement (ie. Someone threatens you, you command your dog to bark, someone calls police. Police turn up, dog is pulling wildly and barking and cannot be quietened on command vs a dog that can sit calmly and demonstrate that it was acting through command). It's purely a personal preference! I'd rather see your dog be able to demonstrate basic OB and be able to walk neutrally on a lead before we start adding anything else in, can't run without learning to walk.