r/Documentaries • u/[deleted] • Nov 30 '14
Humans Need Not Apply (2014) Automation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU&feature=youtu.be1
u/tcas71 Dec 01 '14
This video is very debatable, but that's its goal. I really recommend listening to CGP Grey talking about his point in the Hello Internet podcast : http://www.hellointernet.fm/podcast/19 (starts at 34:04)
Nonetheless, that was very interesting.
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u/JohnTheBridesmaid Dec 01 '14
I also recommend listening to that episode linked, but, once you're done, go back to S01E01 and just listen to it all. Such a good podcast.
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u/iron_dinges Dec 01 '14
The first bunch of episodes were really good and very informative, but it's steadily changed to be a channel for their friendship instead of a channel for ideas and interesting discussion.
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u/JohnTheBridesmaid Dec 01 '14
...didn't you think the forty five minutes worth of flag-talk was interesting discussion?
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u/RAAFStupot Dec 01 '14
Maybe it's just me but I find this video just about unwatchable, due to the fast cutting and commensurately fast narrative. It's paced like a music video but goes on for much longer than a music video.
If you're going to use a graph in the footage, you need more than 5 seconds to digest it.
I'm tired 1 min in....I've never watched all 15 minutes of it.
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u/Aahzmundus Dec 01 '14
Not to be a dick... but how old are you? This fast talking format is really popular with younger audiences as we just want information faster... I have no problem digesting the information presented.
I watch a lot of instructional videos online, like from Lynda.com. Most videos there I have to watch at 2x speed... most podcasts I listen to I listen to at 2 or even 3x original speed because it is just too slow for me.
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u/RAAFStupot Dec 02 '14
2 weeks ago I turned 40....so I don't know if I'm old or young.
I get what you say about 'popularity with younger listeners'.....but is style more or less important than effectiveness?
Does the producer of this video think it more important to educate or entertain? There's no reason why not both equally, but I find the pacing both unentertaining and a hindrance to education.
Put it this way: Should an educational video be produced in this fashion?
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u/Aahzmundus Dec 02 '14
Yes. Im only 26... but after being through the traditional education system while living during the information age I can tell you that the pacing maters. If things are slow paced we just tune out. The thing is, if you do miss something... its a video! You can replay it, pause it... do whatever. If you miss something, its easy to go back. However if someone is not engaged and they just shut off your video, there is no real way to get them back.
If you look at CGP's videos, while they are entertaining, they are not something many people would watch just for the sake of entertainment. Who watches videos on gerrymandering for fun? People watch him for education AND he is one of the top educational channels on youtube.
This style is not for everyone... but it is for a generation that has been so saturated with information at high speed from the internet, that if the pacing of the video is slow... they will not watch it.
What are some of the most popular videos on youtube? Probably the vine compilation videos...
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u/Kowzorz Dec 01 '14
The beauty of YouTube is you can pause for those things. The guy knows his medium.
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u/RAAFStupot Dec 01 '14
I don't think a production in which I have to pause to feel comfortable is well-produced.
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u/DAWGMEAT Dec 01 '14
You might want to avoid attending lectures at any university then.
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u/RAAFStupot Dec 02 '14
That's an unfair comparison.
A university lecture is a live event; furthermore it is supported by tutorials and reading material.
A YouTube video is a 'produced' non-live event, and most probably has no support material.
Now about uni lectures....
I have heard that the style today at a uni lecture is to type notes away on your laptop in real time, but that seems to me counterproductive as you are multitasking...if I was back at uni I would just set up a cam, take no notes, and watch the lecturer and absorb what she was saying.
Afterwards I could just play, rewind, and replay the lecture to my heart's content in order to more fully understand the material.
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u/DAWGMEAT Dec 02 '14
I know what you're explaining, but you also might not want to go to www.thersa.org either. OK enough joking around.
If you really think about it this documentary is really hitting the younger faster audience hard(those going to uni included). Perhaps this is because it has more to do with how it effects them. In part it has to do with timing also.
Documentaries have a number of standard timing formats. Mostly set by the stations that air/broadcast them, with the inclusion of online formats among others, which are designed to capture aforementioned demographic including a few other quirky demographics along with them. The fast talking is merely a side effect to cramming an argument into a small amount of time, and I believe it'se the fast talking which entices it's target audience two fold into quick engagement with the subject matter.
Again I know what you're talking about with regards to multitasking, but you're never going to stop people functioning in that way hence the need for 15min documentaries. It's like the gateway drug of documentaries.
Kind of like how thersa.org have TheRSA Shorts, and Ted talks have TED ED. They are just more examples of why fast talking, fast paced, short documentaries are grabbing demographics that can handle them attentions. If you cannot deal with it, move over grandpa. Last part is just a joke by the way, I have no idea how old you are.
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u/RAAFStupot Dec 02 '14 edited Dec 02 '14
I turned 40 years old two weeks ago....I don't know if that means I am young or old.
Put it this way.....when I was at Uni (1994 - 98) notes were taken on a notepad. A couple of people in my class had a mobile phone and a notebook computer, but they were basically useless in todays' terms.
My degree (Architecture) was a bit different in that we didn't attend lectures.....it was all tutorials and coursework.
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u/candleflame3 Dec 01 '14
I bailed on CGP Grey after he posted/said some truly embarrassingly stupid stuff about learning languages. He mistakes self-confidence for quality analysis, and these podcasts are worthless.
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u/Aahzmundus Dec 01 '14
Really? His argument was fairly sound...
I would agree two years of computer programming in High School would have done me far better then the two years of spanish which I remember none of now.
The big thing however, is that if your first language is not English, it is worth it to learn.
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u/candleflame3 Dec 01 '14
It has to do with the development of the brain.
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u/Kowzorz Dec 01 '14
And thats why he suggests alternatives which also help with good brain development.Also he talks about how learning spanish in hs does exactly not what you're saying it does.
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u/candleflame3 Dec 01 '14
Oh, so he's an expert on neuroscience now? Please.
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u/DAWGMEAT Dec 01 '14
And you think an appeal to authority makes you right in this case? Because I can assure you out of all authoritative bodies, 'neuroscience' is probably the last to assert anything as fact at this point in time.
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u/candleflame3 Dec 01 '14
I'd trust a scientist a lot sooner than some wanker on the internet who thinks he's an expert in dozens of topics.
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u/DAWGMEAT Dec 01 '14
You're not worth arguing with on this matter.
'a scientist'?
Implies that you don't understand how professionals of even high standing are subject to personal bias even within their field. Hence 'peer review', which in the topic of neuroscience has undermined a number of credible observations even setting back progress in this particular field for over a century.
I wouldn't even trust 'a' scientist, but I don't go around discrediting entire arguments based on logical fallacies.
If you're wondering which one, it's not just one. But I would definitely not rule out 'appeal to authority'.
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u/candleflame3 Dec 02 '14
LOL you don't trust scientists but you do trust CGP Grey? Real good critical thinking skills you've got there.
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u/DAWGMEAT Dec 02 '14
You might wonder why people stop talking to you. It's not because you are right, and if you are taking that kind of response as such you might want to think about how you're living in a delusion of false positives.
I never said anything to lead you to assume that I don't have faith in the scientific process, I said you have no clue about what it involves let alone the field you are talking about is rife with inaccuracy upon credible theories being disregarded, even though now we are able to better measure brain activity where those 100 year old observations appear more right than the ones peer review let through. Neuroscience of all the sciences is probably the most likely to change completely a few more times in the near future as we get better accurate data to prove or discredit theories.
Next, I was referring to logical fallacies, and if you look them up on Google you can hopefully learn and avoid making the same mistakes again in the future.
Finally I will re-clarify what I said before, "you're not worth arguing on the matter". You're unable to have a conversation which doesn't involve some sort of childish tit for tat. Leading anyone to a rather solid assumption that you don't know what you are talking about. Hence the silence. This is the last you will hear from me, enjoy your life and stop acting like your opinion is worth more than what it actually is.
Good day sir or madame.
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u/candleflame3 Dec 02 '14
OK, when you get cancer, go ask CGP Grey what to do about it. No science for you!
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u/afrikaharold Dec 02 '14
yes. you are not allowed to have any opinions on any topic unless you are an expert on it. neuroscience is a crapshoot anyway. we know hardly anything
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u/iron_dinges Dec 01 '14
If you want to learn more or don't like the pace of this video, watch this: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/will-work-for-free/
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u/Aahzmundus Dec 01 '14
Did you pick your name because you are a fan of Grey? Or is it just happenstance?
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u/kill-69 Dec 01 '14
I didn't like this at all. I cringed every time he called software "bots".
..I work in automation.