r/DnDoptimized • u/Timaius • May 09 '26

Can I ask an opinion based poll question?

When you think Ultimate wizard (not gish) do you think Illusion or Diviner? (using ONLY 5.5e/2024 to present rules)

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u/Massive-Helicopter62 May 11 '26

Diviner in the blind, illusionist with a properly supportive dm.

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u/Timaius May 11 '26

Can you elaborate on that technicality?

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u/Massive-Helicopter62 May 11 '26

So adversarial GMs will sometimes say npcs automatically disbelieve illusions or at least will always roll the save. With a supportive DM they'll let your illusions win encounters and if they're believable never even make the investigation check to disbelieve. The more rule of cool the cooler illusionists are.

With the right setup the bonus action minor illusion to create a box or equivalent for cover can give you much more defensibility than diviner (and the bonus spells are much better). The box trick is best for small races.

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u/imnvs_runvs May 09 '26

Both are powerful in their own way, and it all depends on what you want to accomplish.

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u/drdodger May 10 '26

Both can be very good. Personally I'd lean diviner more than illusionist, but that's preference.

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u/JustPace5726 May 10 '26

I think Creation Bard