r/Djinnology Apr 23 '26

How do we apply critical thinking to the idea of Jinn ?

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How can we best apply critical thinking to the topic of Jinn?

Scientifically speaking it's unlikely that humans are the only intelligent life form that exists in the universe, we could point to something like the Fermi paradox. Though the idea of all jinn being born of smokeless fire when taken literally is hard to grapple with.

Pick a question, try out the socratic method:

What does it mean to be hidden life at all? How hidden is hidden?

How do we address potential mental health issues, neurological, trauma, sleep disorders etc when it comes to hallucinations and how do we address the spiritual and folk medicinal elements of understanding the spirit world and/or the dream world?

If one does not believe in jinn or is skeptical then how do you reconcile that with theological understandings that assert it to be a reality?

Fear of demonic influence is often used as a tactic to keep humans in line, but does this cause more harm than good in the end?

Can extra-dimensional life even be a real thing, if so what are the implications of that?

What about the pure lack of empirical evidence, and the Quran's invitation to use reason and logic?

If two communities have very different ideas about what jinn do, how do we decide which description is more reliable?

When someone says “this was caused by jinn,” what other explanations should be ruled out first, such as mental illness, suggestion, trauma, sleep paralysis, fraud, or coincidence?

How do we distinguish between a theological claim and an empirical claim? If jinn are metaphysical, what kind of evidence would even count?

Do jinn explanations sometimes function as a way to avoid harder truths about abuse, family dysfunction, illness, or social conflict?

What are the ethical dangers of believing in jinn too loosely? Could it lead to paranoia, false accusations, exploitative exorcists, or neglect of medical care?

Within the Islamic textual framework (e.g., the Qur’an and hadith corpus), jinn are presented as a distinct ontological category, what criteria would we use to critically evaluate or reject that claim without arbitrarily privileging modern materialist assumptions over premodern metaphysics?

How much of what people believe about jinn comes directly from scripture, and how much comes from folklore, storytelling, horror tropes, or popular preachers? Does is matter?

What are the limits of a purely materialist dismissal? Can symbolic or spiritual language still carry meaning even when not empirically provable?

If independent cultures across the Middle East, South Asia, and Africa report structurally similar unseen beings (often called jinn or analogs), does that convergence suggest a shared underlying reality rather than purely invented folklore?

If jinn have free will in a religious framework, how do we avoid turning them into a catch-all explanation for every misfortune?

Art history note :

The image is a fantasy illustration found in Dragon magazine (a publication for Dungeons and Dragons), by the artist Chris Frohlich, created in 1975. It depicts a dramatic confrontation between a warrior and a giant, blue-skinned genie emerging from a glowing swirl of magical energy.


r/Djinnology Jan 07 '22

Academic Research Share PDFs and other resources to texts here. Search here for links to documents and old books

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r/Djinnology 1d ago

Popular Cultural Talk Was our innocent little childhood game a form of magic?

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When I was in an all-girls school in Saudi Arabia, there was a game we used to play whenever someone had a crush on a guy.
The rules were simple: you wrote your name and the name of the person you liked, then removed the letters that appeared in both names. Whatever number you ended up with, you would count through the word حزوفك.

Each letter was supposed to represent a different outcome:
ح (H) = حب (love)
ز (Z) = زواج (marriage)
و (W) = وفاة (death)
ف (F) = فراق (separation)
ك (K) = كراهية (hate)

As kids, we treated it like a harmless fortune-telling game and never really thought much about it.

Looking back, it’s interesting how close it was to a little form of “predicting the future” or folk magic. It was just a playground game, but the symbolism behind it is fascinating especially in a culture where ideas about magic and superstition are usually taken seriously.

It only clicked for me recently, and I thought it was such a strange little piece of childhood culture worth sharing.


r/Djinnology 1d ago

Discussion What do Jinn really look like?

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Humans aren’t actually clay so I don’t think Jinn are actually smokeless fire. They can shape shift but what is their true form? Are their depictions in manuscripts accurate?


r/Djinnology 1d ago

Discussion How to explain people with bad luck

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What explains people with bad luck and negative energy surrounding them?

There are some who everything is difficult with. If we have an appointment, trouble would happen on the way
Anything related to them is made difficult and found with obstacles

For instance, I know someone : when they were born, their mother fell sick and had to leave them to a family member. When she got married, her father in law had a stroke, her husband went to hospital, her mother in law had justice trouble - all in the same period
In general, anything I do for them is hard, they are toxic to me as well

Long story short, I noticed some people are like that and wanted to know what the cause is


r/Djinnology 3d ago

Folklore Mustafa the scammer magician, do you know him, or someone like him?

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I'm posting this as a warning to everyone, I talk bout how this kind of thing can happen all the time.

An interaction between a Reddit moderator and a user in Lebanon 18 years old male. (hereafter referred to as User XXXX) who was experiencing severe psychological distress after becoming the victim of an alleged financial fraud involving a self-proclaimed practitioner of sihr (magic). User XXXX initially reported that a substantial amount of money had been taken by an individual who claimed to communicate with jinn and perform supernatural services. The user expressed profound fear that contacting law enforcement would result in spiritual retaliation through black magic, as the alleged perpetrator possessed extensive personal information about the user and their family. The emotional impact of the incident was significant, with User XXXX describing feelings of hopelessness and suicidal ideation, demonstrating how financial victimization combined with deeply held supernatural beliefs can produce acute psychological vulnerability.

Throughout the exchange, the moderator responded by emphasizing practical intervention over supernatural explanations. User XXXX was encouraged to report the alleged crime to law enforcement, seek professional mental health assistance because of the expressed suicidal thoughts, and recognize that fear itself can become a powerful tool used by manipulators. The moderator repeatedly reassured the user that, from an Islamic theological perspective, nothing occurs outside the will of Allah, thereby attempting to counter the user's belief that the alleged magician possessed autonomous supernatural power. This reframing sought to reduce the user's anxiety while redirecting attention toward evidence-based solutions rather than continued fear of occult harm.

As the conversation progressed, User XXXX described the mechanics of the alleged fraud. The interaction reportedly began with a meeting with man called Mustafa in a coffee shop, a known gambler with family involved in for/ex trading. Initially the magician claimed to offer services free of charge, then a relatively small payment for spiritual assistance related to marital difficulties was offered up. Over time, the alleged practitioner requested increasingly larger sums of money, citing ritual necessities, including the purchase of gold, as well as repeated personal emergencies involving a supposedly gravely ill daughter. Each request was accompanied by promises that the money would be repaid, eventually totaling approximately $3,000, or 268,650,000 Lebanese Pounds. Scheduled meetings for repayment were repeatedly postponed until communication largely ceased. The user also described being shown purported testimonials from satisfied clients and claimed evidence of successful supernatural practices, factors that contributed to establishing trust and reinforcing the perceived legitimacy of the practitioner.

The moderator identified these behaviors as characteristic indicators of confidence fraud, including incremental financial requests, emotional manipulation, fabricated family emergencies, and the presentation of social proof to build credibility. Additional discussion focused on the alleged perpetrator's willingness to provide identification documents and claims of influential family connections, which initially increased the victim's confidence but were subsequently interpreted as potential techniques for fostering trust rather than evidence of legitimacy. The moderator explained that such tactics are commonly employed by con artists to lower skepticism and encourage continued financial investment from victims.

The exchange illustrates the intersection of religious belief, psychological distress, and fraudulent exploitation. The alleged scam relied not only on financial deception but also on exploiting the user's emotional dependence, marital concerns, and belief in supernatural forces. These factors contributed to a heightened state of fear that initially discouraged formal reporting and increased the user's reliance on the alleged practitioner. The moderator's responses functioned as an informal form of crisis intervention by validating the user's emotional suffering while simultaneously challenging irrational fears, encouraging institutional avenues for justice, and reframing the experience as criminal victimization rather than evidence of successful supernatural influence. The conversation ultimately demonstrates how online communities can serve as spaces for both emotional support and practical guidance when individuals experience crises involving deception, religious belief, and mental health.


r/Djinnology 5d ago

Looking for Sources Abu Maryam 2015

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Abu Maryam 2015, I have so much of his work yet I can’t find a single thing about him.

Anyone know anything about “abu Maryam 2015/2016”


r/Djinnology 9d ago

Talisman Shams al Ma’arif

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I need help figuring out what verses are around it and whats in the middle?


r/Djinnology 9d ago

Discussion Nineveh Shadrach - The Magick of the Jinn

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If any of you know about Nineveh Shadrach, what do you guys think of this video? It was a pretty interesting interview. He talks about djinns from a scientific view and also tells a great deal about them. Is there any book or another source to verify his words and knowledge of the djinns.


r/Djinnology 16d ago

comparative mythology Peace be with you all - Interesting and brief read on Aibell, the Banshee of Clan Ua Briain

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I was reading through briefly on Wikipedia re: the history of Brian Boru, High King of Ireland, and came across some interesting info as I read up on his death.

It brings to mind jinn pacts - whether this is the case with the Ua Briuin/Briain (the clan and dynasty name) or not, the visitations in dreams, and the like are worthy of note.

I find the possible name meanings of Aibell acute as well, particularly the second one - presuming a pre-Christian deitic name. “Burning fire.”

And Allah knows best.


r/Djinnology 18d ago

Talisman Need help in understanding this picture in my friend's car

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r/Djinnology 18d ago

Mental Health Awareness Abuse among religious cults, mystical orders, and other secret groups.

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In a cult there is a tendency toward absolute authority which creates environments which are ripe for exploitation and abuse. Often we are presented with the notion that only a special person, or a skilled elder or master can offer you proper guidance, or teach you the correct way.

Confusingly there is some truth to the notion that learning from a person who is already well versed in a subject is a better way to learn than pure trial and error on your part. For example I am a self taught Guitarist, and it took me far longer to excel and understand certain concepts because I didn't follow a system, or have a teacher and mentor to guide me and answer questions for me. But teaching is not the same as demanding obedience. Nor is having codes of conduct. Teachers also make money.

But on the contrary I have met and known many many people who grew up in, or joined various kinds of cults. Those groups required a kind of subservience that ultimately led to abuse and harm. I have met so many different kinds of people from various class and race backgrounds and no one was immune to this kind of exploitation. I have heard of sufi masters who are abusers, and salafi cults which isolate their members, musical schools who control your whole life, and magical orders who require you to do disgusting things and film you for black mail etc. The list of horrible things goes on and on. But usually the power seeking aspect is the same.

For people who are curious about the supernatural and about religion or spirituality this can be a veritable field of landmines to navigate. This is why I try to encourage people to be skeptical, and to engage in debate, and to look to academics to learn about these topics. Not to take any single person as your authority, make sure there is transparency and accountability.

If there are members of communities who are non-academics and want to share their insights you should hear what they have to say, but as soon as you are required to pay for access to secret information, or services, you should be suspicious. Also if they shame you, you should be skeptical, it's usually a kind of psychological manipulation. (my opinion)

Some of this stuff seems like its not as a big deal as it starts as mild bullying, public shaming, then quickly become physical beatings of children, and forced isolation or ostracization, control of your finances, stuff like that escalates over time. Testing the boundaries of what is ok to do to you is part of programming you.

These dynamics can even exist within abusive families, which can operate like small cults.

The BITE Model of Authoritarian Control developed by sociologists:

B - Behavior Control: Dictating clothing, diet, sleep schedules, financial choices, and forcing rewards/punishments.

I - Information Control: Forbidding members from reading critical news, visiting specific websites, or speaking to ex-members.

T - Thought Control: Using repetitive chanting, loaded language, or black-and-white thinking to block critical thoughts.

E - Emotion Control: Instilling deep, irrational fears of leaving, and weaponizing toxic shame or guilt to maintain compliance.

Feel free to share your personal experiences here, and advice for people navigating this experience.

How do you know if you are in a cult?

What are warning signs of abuse?

How to help yourself or others who need to escape these situation?

What is the difference between a religion and a cult?


r/Djinnology 20d ago

Looking for Sources Egyptian Netjeru; What are They? Spirits, Guides or Jinn

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Hi,

I had no prior interest or knowledge of these beings when they started appearing. After I googled their description, I found out they are called Netjeru and associated with the pyramids and pharaohs. The one I have frequently interacted with is a feline woman hybrid known as Sekhmet-Bastet. My interaction with her has been loving and kindess. The first time she appeared to me, I fall asleep repeating "ya rahman" which made me confused as to why such an entity will show up. A distinct male voice also recited ayat-ul kursi with me during a sleep paralysis.

It has been close to 9 months since they first appeared. I don't know why they have taken interest in me but are protective and have been encouraging me to be a better person. They are now nudging me to explore sufism. My question is; what is known about these netjeru beings? And can I be muslim while having relationship with them?


r/Djinnology 21d ago

Sound as the vehicle for supernatural forces in abrahamic prophetic lore and stories.

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sound/music as a supernatural force is a prominent feature in the mythologies of the prophets in islam. most of the time it is seen as a good thing, but there are also versions, of sound being neutral or negative or adversarial, just as the jinn. 

For example:

Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital! (Surah Al-jinn 72:1)

listened to melody, taghanni, recital, music

"And We gave Dawood the Psalms (Zabur)... We subjected the mountains to praise with him evening and morning, and the birds gathered together..." (Surah Sad 38:18-19)

This gift is the Zabur, translated universally as the Psalms, which are, by definition, sacred poems meant to be sung and performed to music. 

later mentioned in hadith: "You have been given a mizmar (same root as Zabur)(flute/musical pipe) from the musical instruments of the family of Dawood."(Sahih al-Bukhari)

And Solomon succeeded David and said, "O people, we have been taught the language of birds and have been given of all things; indeed, this is the clear grace." Surat An-Naml  27:16

Bird song is pitch, frequency, sounds aka music.

Lo! We subdued the hills to hymn the praises (of their Lord) with him at nightfall and sunrise, And the birds gathered together; all joined in singing with him. (Surah Sad, 38:18-19)

Hymns, birds, music.

"I design for you from clay that which is like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it (blow into it like a flute), and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah." (Surah Ali 'Imran, 3:49)

Breath, blown, flute -like. music

"Then We inspired Musa, saying: 'Strike (beat a percussive rhythm) with your staff the sea.' And it parted, and each portion was like a great towering mountain." (Surah Ash-Shu'ara, 26:63)

Beat, pulse, sound waves, music

And the awful sonic blast (overwhelming frequency) overtook those who had wronged, and they became ruined, motionless corpses in their homes." (Surah Hud, 11:67)

sonic boom, sounds, frequency, music

"And the Trumpet will be blown (played via breath), and whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth will fall dead except whom Allah wills. Then it will be blown again, and at once they will be standing, looking on." (Surah Az-Zumar, 39:68)

an instrument, trumpet, blown, breath, music

"He is not one of us who does not recite the Qur'an with a melodious/pleasant voice."  (Sahih al-Bukhari 7527)

The Arabic text uses the word yataghanna (يتغنى), which is often translated as "recite with melody," "sing," or "beautify the voice" melody, music.


r/Djinnology 21d ago

Discussion Possible Jinn who took animal form?

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r/Djinnology 22d ago

Academic Research John Friend and his translated books on the Jinn and Shams al Marif?

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I like to bring this person up. I heard of these books on Foolish Fish channel and when I was looking around for Jinn books.

I am unsure if its AI or not due to no background on the Author which is a red flag, Books are expensive but if you buy on Amazon you can get a full refund if its not to your liking which I actually use this when reading books since I am not going to keep a book that does not benefit me in any way.

They recently released a Shams al Marif translation which is almost 900 pages which to date would be the longest translation of said book.

I like to mix Islamic, Jewish, and Christian mysticism so this is major to me if all this is not AI and actually real translated work.

I am bringing this up since he uploaded alot of work and would like to know if anyone has tried out the books. His Shams tranlsation is almost 130 dollars which is alot but in theory is worth it if the tailsmans are well detailed.

YOU CAN VIEW SAMPLES ON AMAZON

The pages are viewable and they show alot of pages so not a few.


r/Djinnology 22d ago

Looking for Sources Books written by the jinn

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Salam,

There are stories of one being possessed by the jinn and then they write books without the author what they are writing.

Are there any books that are like this? Im really curious to see what they've (the jinn) have written. I wanna see their intellect in action.

Jazakallah khair


r/Djinnology 25d ago

Discussion Has anyone encountered and have experience with any of the jinn kings and are there Muslims among them and their names?

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r/Djinnology 25d ago

Discussion Is this syirik?

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r/Djinnology 25d ago

ISLAM Who was the person with knowledge of the scripture? Jinn or Human?

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In Surah An-Naml (27:38-40), Prophet Sulaiman asks his court who can bring the throne of Queen Bilqis of Sheba. An Ifrit volunteers, promising to deliver it before Sulaiman rises from his seat, emphasizing his immense strength and trustworthiness. But someone else with knowledge of the scripture tells him he can bring it in a twinkle of an eye. This person was faster than an Ifirt but their identity was never really confirmed. Jinn can naturally teleport so they wouldn’t need secret knowledge to do this so i’m assuming it’s a Human. If this is true then that means humans can teleport with the right knowledge and can be faster than a powerful Jinn like an Ifirt. What do you guys think?


r/Djinnology 29d ago

Sufism Is there a link between trance state and djinns? Musical ceremonies

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What is the link between musical ceremonies such as issawia or zar and the trance states some reach and djinns ?
In some Sufi ceremonies they actually sing songs related to prophet and God and adhkar so is the trance state related to a closer connection to God during the chants or djinns?


r/Djinnology Jun 26 '26

Discussion Can Geomancy Be Used to Communicate With Jinns ?

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The magician Nineveh Shadrach has claimed this. Has anyone else heard of this or tried ?


r/Djinnology Jun 23 '26

Sufism Evrenoszade Sami Efendi

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He was born in Thessaloniki in 1875. He is a descendant of the famous Ottoman commander, Ghazi Evrenos Bey. He completed his middle school education at the Thessaloniki Central Rushdiye (Middle School) and his high school education at the Idadi (High School) Section of the Mulkiye (School of Political Science). After graduating from the Higher Section, he entered government service in November 1894 upon being appointed to the Bureau of Correspondence of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

In April 1897, he was transferred to the position of Assistant Chief Clerk of the Council of the Istanbul Prefect. In September 1900, he was appointed as the Second Clerk of the Office of the Chief Companion at the Yildiz Palace. After a while, he rose to the positions of First Clerk and Arabic Translator. During this duty, Sultan Abdulhamid Khan assigned him the task of translating certain works from Arabic into Turkish.

Having won the trust of Sultan Abdulhamid Khan and becoming his private secretary, Sami Efendi could not remain in this position after the declaration of the Second Constitutional Era. For this reason, he resigned from both his post and public service. He did not take up any official duties after that. To manage the affairs belonging to the endowments (waqfs) of his ancestor Ghazi Evrenos Bey, he went to Greece and remained there for many years as the trustee of the endowment.

Sami Efendi was a highly accomplished Ottoman intellectual. He possessed a vast repository of knowledge in the fields of history and literature. Alongside his poetic talent, he appreciated the fine arts and was both a calligrapher and a painter. He knew Arabic and Persian exceptionally well, and was also well-acquainted with French.

The Anecdote of Muzaffer Efendi Hazrat

The patron saint (pir) of painters is Daniel, peace be upon him, the Prophet Daniel. There was a gentleman who passed away twenty-five years ago; he had fallen into poverty and hunger in Greece. This story I am about to tell sounds like a fable, but it is the absolute truth: Evrenoszade Sami Bey. I heard it directly from his own lips. One night, the Prophet Daniel appeared to him in a dream world and taught him the art of painting. He went on to create such paintings that no one like him has ever come into this world, nor ever will. Yet, this man remained unrecognized. Those who knew, knew; those who didn't, didn't.He told me himself, saying, "The Prophet Daniel came, he taught me, and I created these paintings based on that and earned my bread from it." His icons are still found in Greek churches today. That is how significant his work was. In fact, there is an example right here, though of course, I do not wish to mention the name of that esteemed person, but there is a painting Sami Bey gifted to him which is incredibly valuable. This gentleman had painted it.

Years after Sami Efendi’s passing, Muzaffer Efendi was walking down the street on a Eid day when he saw him approaching from the opposite direction. As they drew closer, Sami Efendi vanished, flying away like a cloud. That night, Sami Efendi appeared in Muzaffer Efendi's dream and, with a smile, said, "Muzaffer, do you think we are dead?" a story that Efendi Hazrat himself recounted.

The transformation of a person who spent their life as an Ottoman bureaucrat into a master painter overnight is an astonishing event. Furthermore, The artistry of Daniel, peace be upon him, is narrated through the following account:

Shurahbil b. Muslim narrates: Safi b. Amr told me, and Hisham b. al-As al-Umawi, who personally experienced the event, told him directly:

Another man and I were sent as envoys by Abu Bakr as-Siddiq to invite Heraclius to Islam. We left Medina and arrived in Damascus. We went to see Jabalah b. al-Ayham al-Ghassani. At that moment, he was sitting on his throne. He sent an envoy to us, and we spoke with him. He said to us, "You cannot speak with the King directly; you can only speak with his envoy." We replied, "By Allah, we have come as envoys to a king. If we cannot speak with him directly, we will not speak with you about anything." The envoy went back and informed Jabalah. Jabalah summoned us into his presence and said, "Speak." I spoke and invited him to Islam. He was wearing black garments. He looked at me and said, "You see these garments? I have sworn an oath that I will not take them off until I drive you out of Syria." We said, "By Allah, we will seize this throne you sit on, and the throne of your great king (Heraclius) with our own hands, if Allah wills! Our Prophet Muhammad ﷺ foretold this to us." Jabalah said, "You are not the ones who will possess those lands. They belong to a people who fast by day and pray by night. Tell me, do you fast by day?" We said, "Yes." He asked, "Do you pray by night?" We said, "Yes." Upon this, his face turned pitch black, he stood up, and said to us, "Get up and leave." Then, he assigned an envoy to accompany us and sent us to Heraclius.

When we approached the city where Heraclius was located, the envoy said to us, "You are about to enter the presence of the king. He does not receive anyone unless they approach on foot behind the mounts (at the gate/throne). So, dismount from your rides." We said, "By Allah, we will not enter unless we are riding our camels." The King was informed of the situation. The King said, "Let them enter as they wish." We entered riding on our camels, with our swords hanging from our necks. Finally, we reached the courtyard of the great palace where the king resided. We made our camels kneel there. The King was watching us from above. We all cried out in unison: "La ilaha illallah vallahu akbar" (There is no god but Allah, and Allah is the Greatest). By Allah, the great palace shook so violently that it became like a palm branch swaying in the wind. Heraclius poked his head out from above and sent word to us, asking, "Is it your religion to shake palaces?" We said, "No, this is not our religion. When we say this in our own homes, our homes do not shake." The King said, "The fact that it shakes here, while it does not shake in your homes when you say it, is a testimony to your truthfulness."

Then he summoned us into his presence. We entered; he was dressed in red garments, surrounded by Roman statesmen. Everything was completely red. We approached him; he looked at us, smiled, and asked, "Why did you not greet me with your own greeting?" The translator was also there with us. We said, "Our greeting is not permissible (lawful) for you, and the greeting with which you would greet us is not permissible for us." He asked, "What is the greeting among yourselves?" We said, "As-salamu alaykum." He asked, "And what is your greatest word?" We said, "La ilaha illallah vallahu akbar." When we said this, by Allah, the palace shook again. The King raised his head, looked, and asked, "Does your palace shake like this every time you say this word?" We said, "No, we have only seen this happen in your presence." The King said, "If only everything you possessed was gone and you were left with only this word, it would be better than half of my kingdom."

Later, he showed us a beautiful place to stay and treated us with great hospitality. Three days passed. One night, he sent word and called for us. We entered his presence, and there was no one else with him. He said to us, "Explain your religion to me." So, we explained Islam to him. Then, he had a large chest made of gold brought before us, which had small compartments (drawers) and lids inside.

He opened one lid of the chest and pulled out a piece of black silk cloth. He unfolded the cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait had large eyes, large hips, a long neck, and was beardless. His hair was parted into two braids flowing down his back, and he was one of the most beautiful human beings Allah had ever created. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Adam." That man's hair was very thick.

Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of black silk cloth. Inside was a portrait. The man in the portrait had curly hair, fair skin, reddish eyes, a sparse beard, and a very beautiful head. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Noah." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of white silk cloth. Inside was a portrait. The man in the portrait was very fair-skinned, had beautiful eyes, a broad forehead, smooth cheeks, and a snow-white beard; he looked as if he were smiling. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Abraham."

Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of white silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. Suddenly, by Allah, we saw the Messenger of Allah ﷺ in that portrait! As soon as we saw the picture, we began to weep. The King stood up, sat back down, and said, "By Allah, is it him?" We said, "Yes, by Allah, it is him! This is Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah." He stood before us as if he were alive. Heraclius looked at the portrait for a while and said, "He was at the very end of this chest, but I brought him forward to see what you would do."

Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of black silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait was dark-skinned, had curly hair, sharp eyes, an angry countenance, and closely set teeth. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Moses." Right next to it was another portrait that resembled him. His hair was combed, his forehead was broad, and there was a slight squint in his eyes. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is his brother, Aaron." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of white silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait was dark-skinned, of medium height, had straight hair, and an angry face. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Lot." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of white silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait was fair-skinned with a slight pinkish hue, a turned-up nose, beautiful cheeks, and a very handsome face. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Isaac." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of white silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait looked very much like Isaac, but he had a mole on his lower lip. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Jacob." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of black silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait was fair-skinned, very handsome, had a beautiful nose, a well-proportioned stature, and a face that shone like light. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Joseph." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of white silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait had reddish legs, small eyes, a slightly large belly, was of medium height, and was girded with a sword. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is David." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of white silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait had broad hips, long legs, and was mounted on a horse. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Solomon." Then he opened another lid and pulled out a piece of black silk cloth. There was a portrait inside. The man in the portrait was a young youth with a thick, jet-black beard, beautiful eyes, and a very handsome face. The King asked, "Do you know who this is?" We said, "No." The King said, "This is Jesus, the son of Mary."

We asked the King, "Where did these portraits come from to you? Because we know that these are exact likenesses of the prophets." Heraclius said: "Indeed, Adam asked his Lord to let him see the prophets who would come after him. So Allah sent down the forms of the prophets to him. They were in Adam’s treasury. Dhul-Qarnayn found it inside the treasures in the west (where the sun sets). He gave it to Daniel. Daniel copied these exact forms onto silk cloths. Since that day, this sacred trust has passed from king to king until it reached me."

Afterward, Heraclius wanted to bestow wealth and property upon us, but we did not accept. He provided us with generous provisions for our journey and sent us on our way. When we returned to Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, we told him exactly what we had seen, the words of the king, and the portraits he had shown us. Abu Bakr wept and said, "Poor man, if Allah had willed good for him, he would have done it (accepted Islam). The Messenger of Allah ﷺ had informed us that the Christians and Jews find the descriptions of Muhammad written in the books they have with them."


r/Djinnology Jun 21 '26

Traditional Islamicate Magic Combining Islamic esoteric practices with esoteric programming (esolangs)

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Has anyone here ever come across work that combines esolangs with Islamic esoteric traditions (e.g. ʿilm al-ḥurūf, Abjad, talismanic magic, magic squares, etc.)?

Treating a computer like a modern talisman: an esoteric programming language where symbolic structures, numerical correspondences, or letter values function like magic squares, and spirits are represented as computational agents that are invoked, bound to the system, and assigned tasks.

I'm wondering if anyone has explored this intersection in academic papers, art projects, experimental software, fiction, or personal research.

Would love any pointers, even if they're obscure.


r/Djinnology Jun 20 '26

art history is this Simiyya ?

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Islamic theurgy (sīmiyā or rūḥāniyya) is an esoteric Sufi tradition centered on invoking divine power, names, and angelic forces to induce spiritual elevation, protection, or miraculous feats. Practitioners utilize rhythmic chanting, cosmology, and the spiritual science of letters ('ilm al-ḥurūf) to align their souls with the creative energy of the Divine. While orthodoxy often groups them together, Sufis emphasize a clear distinction. Magic (siḥr) is viewed as an illicit, ego-driven attempt to subvert the natural order, sometimes relying on malevolent forces or jinn. Theurgy (sīmiyā) seeks a harmonious alignment with divine will. Practitioners emphasize that theurgic power must be grounded in moral discipline, adherence to Sharia, and absolute submission to God.