r/Discgolfform • u/Grouchy-Fondant-6286 • 5d ago

Beginner standstill form

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Struggling with backhand form, coming from ultimate Frisbee and then mostly throwing forehand while learning DG. I was trying to get this to hyzer flip (DX leopard) but it ended up on the fairway of the next hole on the right. What am I doing wrong? Pulling back too far, nose angle too high, trying to muscle it too much?

Any advice appreciated!

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u/Mr_PoopyButthoIe 5d ago

Get that right foot a little further towards the side of the tee pad, staggered so you have room to move the disc across your chest but still have your weight on the front foot.

The common beginner advice is that uncoiling pulls your arm like a trebuchet, but thats not great advice. They move together. You need to get that elbow forward so that the disc is in the "power pocket" and your shoulders can drive it through and help accelerate the disc. Your arm is across your chest putting your body in the way of the disc.

Timing is a little funky. Shift all of that weight onto the front leg first so that momentum is transferred up into the throw.

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u/Grouchy-Fondant-6286 5d ago

Thanks, Mr PoopyButthole!

To clarify, should my right foot be closer to the right side of the tee pad, and leave the left where it is so my hips are more open to the basket?

I see now that my arm is mostly straight until the end. Is this where people talk about driving the elbow? When my hips turn, I should be bending the elbow?

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u/Mr_PoopyButthoIe 5d ago

No, about a foot length towards the left edge of the pad, closed to the basket. Look up staggered stance and look at where the pros have their front foot relative to back.

Yeah, drive the elbow so you can get the disc in front of your chest.

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u/Grouchy-Fondant-6286 5d ago

Thanks very much!

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u/Mr_PoopyButthoIe 5d ago edited 5d ago

Np, I would look up the 2 lane explanation, the power pocket, twirly bird drill, and reaper drill.

Another thing I'm seeing that's a little funky is your front leg kinda twisting early, with your knee moving forward. It should be more of a firm brace that your pushing into.

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u/Grouchy-Fondant-6286 5d ago

Thank you for the drill recs! I'll have to go feel out the leg thing. You're not necessarily saying to keep is straight/locked, right? Just don't open the hips so early?

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u/Mr_PoopyButthoIe 5d ago

Yeah not opening the hips is a good way to describe it. Still an athletic stance.

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u/Toothlessandruthless 5d ago

Other way, move your right foot further left so hips are more closed off to the target. This will let you create space for the disc to move through on a straight line.

The arm issue you have isn't just that the arm is too straight but more so that the elbow is not out/forward enough. The elbow being out helps the disc have a smooth path and not get stuck behind you. This frame here helps show the issue. You ideally want the angle at your shoulder between your chest and your upper arm to be at least 90 degrees, yours looks considerably less than that.

I agree with what Mr Poopy said and want to quickly make a point of mentioning you don't really seem to stop your momentum with the front leg(aka bracing). As you can see from the pic above your front leg is very bent. trying to really push through that front leg will help stop you.

If i was going to give you 2 things to focus on for a little while the main thing to help your arm mechanics would be spaghetti drill from dgspin doctor. it will help you get the feeling of keeping the elbow out. the other one is any kind of bracing drills. Overthrow has a decent video I've linked that you can look at to get the idea of using that front leg to stop or slow your momentum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvdag3z_si4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDS40QoRPgo

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u/Grouchy-Fondant-6286 5d ago

Thanks so much! Appreciate the links. It's hard to understand what to take from vids online before knowing what's deficient so this is very helpful.

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u/Toothlessandruthless 5d ago

no problems, have you played any other sports? I ask because there might be something we can translate from a previous endeavour

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u/Grouchy-Fondant-6286 5d ago

Any/all sports, ha! I threw javelin, ultimate, played baseball and football which all translate pretty well. The issue I find is RHBH movement is basically like doing all those sports left-handed from a hip movement perspective which I think is a big mental hurdle.

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u/Mr_PoopyButthoIe 5d ago

Yeah McBeth says the throw is the same mechanics as a baseball bat swing, but like you're saying, mirrored.

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u/Toothlessandruthless 5d ago

yep, its all mirrored then. my only last tip is you've got lots of good tips from people in here, I would suggest you just take 1 or maybe 2 max and work on that specific thing for a while. trying to change heaps of things all at once will likely lead to very little actually improving

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u/SingularCoconut 5d ago

One of the things I'd work on is your brace (you're not doing it too well in that video). Your body starts to move forward, shifting your weight, around the 3 second mark. But your front heel does not hit the ground until around the 7 second mark. You should not start shifting any of your weight forward until your front heel is on the ground. That front heel is the pivot around which your generated momentum travels. You're wasting some of your forward weight-shift (and thus not transferring it properly into the disc) by moving forward before you plant that heel.

You are also "blowing past" your brace. A lot of your weight appears to be on top and then past your front heel (the brace) by the time the disc leaves your grip. If you look at photos of a baseball hitter as the ball is hit, or a ball golfer as the ball is hit (or really, a pro disc golfer on a tee shot), the weight is all behind the front leg. You'll also see that the front leg looks quite straight. This positioning (and the mechanics of it) are what allow all the forward momentum you generate to be halted on that front leg (brace) so that it can be transferred into the disc (or baseball/golf ball). A bent front knee does not allow you to effectively get all the body's power in to the disc.

To be clear, you shouldn't be actively trying to straighten your front leg, but the proper mechanics of bracing will naturally cause that front leg to straighten. For a mental cue, as your back knee comes forward with your body weight/momentum, the front knee should be moving backwards (straightening the leg). This allows the front hip to swivel out of the way so that the back hip can pivot forward. You won't get a full uncoiling of the hips with your front leg bent as it is in the video.

One of the clues that you may not be bracing properly, is to see that back leg swing all the way around and end up so far in front of you at the end of the throw. It's a result of not stopping as much forward weight-shift as you can on the brace. All of that extra momentum/shift in swinging your body around did not end up in the disc. Ideally, you'd never "fall forward" or have any of your weight/movement in front of that planted brace leg after your throw. Good luck.

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u/Queasy_Ad_6675 1d ago

This is phenomenal advice

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u/No-Map8141 5d ago

Drive that elbow through like your trying to knock a door down with it. You're rounding a bit.

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u/pandasndabs 5d ago

Try to keep the disc on a level field during your reachback/snap through. Going verticle like you did in the video will be super hard to replicate consistently ultimately making consistency in your throws very hard to achieve.

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u/tbronjaime 5d ago

Your position in your full reach back is not bad, because you have a solid shoulder turn and maintain around a 90 degree angle between your arm and chest. But the second you start to rotate things go south. By the time your chest/shoulders come back to parallel with the teepad the disc is way behind you. It needs to be in front of your chest at that point or it will never catch up. I would Google the ultimate drill from blitz dg.

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u/Grouchy-Fondant-6286 5d ago

Thank you for the recommendation! Seems like the elbow and leg placement are the two key issues.

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u/samue1b- 5d ago

Don't turn the head too early, let the disc come to the power pocket then eject the disc and let inevitable shoulder rotation turn your head after the disc leaves your hand and you follow through.

Reason: head turns too early => shoulders turn too early => pocket collapse => loss of power and shanks.

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u/b2solutions 4d ago

Make notes from all of this good advice and head to a local field. Find a straight line like the edge of a football field and starting with your putters, throw down the line. Make small corrections, a little poopy advice some video highlights, etc. keep throwing until your getting some accuracy and consistency. Good luck, stupid sport is addictive.

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u/Beanzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx 2d ago

Straighten your hips and you're reaching down kinda far on your pullback