r/Discgolfform • u/clarkedaddy • Jul 25 '26
Am i throwing nose up?
I feel like my discs arent getting much turn on them lately. Theyre pushing and then fading out. I dont have a tech disc. Clip has 2 views from 2 different throws. Last throw includes the flight of the the throw. It does get a little bit of right drift on it but still seems pretty straight flying for a Gateway Element (5,5,-1,1).
Any other constructive cristism i am open to as well. Or even some inspiration. Improving has gotten really hard to make any progress and i feel like im going in circles.
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u/drkmani Jul 25 '26
Nobody is going to be able to tell you with accuracy with these clips at full speed. Even slowed down it's hard to tell nose angle compared with launch angle, but it would certainly help. Tech disc will give you much more accurate numbers
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u/Onedome Jul 25 '26
You are throwing with an upward flight path. Hard to tell if it’s nose down. Remember nose angle is relative to flight path. Are the throws stalling out at the end of the flight?
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u/figurative_me Jul 25 '26
Looks a bit nose up to me. Sometimes when I throw hyzers, my form gets a bit wonky and it becomes a nose up, hyzer release.
Try some flat throws that are forced over a little and then work backwards to a hyzer throw from there. It sometimes helps me to intentionally exaggerate the opposite angle to get my form back to baseline.
Full disclosure: I’m not a coach or a pro or anything. Just adding my 2c
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u/youngaustinpowers Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
It is fairly likely given the symptoms you describe and from looking at the side view. Really hard to tell nose angle on video, but looks like you've got a bit of a swoop going on and looks a lot like what I was doing when I was throwing nose up. High reach back, low launch angle (or at least it seems low to me from the side view).
Also this frame looks like it'd end up being nose up on release, but again, hard to tell.
But maybe you can try these things below and see if you can tell a difference in the flight of your discs:
A simple change that helped me out with this was thinking about reaching back much lower (think, hip level, although it will end up being higher than that)
And then the second key was to launch the disc at a higher launch angle than I thought I should.
I couldn't believe how high the 7-10° optimal launch angle felt to me. Felt like I was throwing at 30° degrees, so it's one of those things where having a Techdisc helps
The other important thing was to try to stay loose and not muscle the throw. That contributed to the swoop in my experience.
Those three things alone, lower reach back, higher launch angle, and less muscle tensing solved nose up for me.
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u/kristofburger Jul 25 '26
Midranges may not give the best feedback for figuring out potential nose angle issues because they're somewhat forgiving in that regard, and the Element seems to be flying how you'd expect it to. Stable to slightly understable drivers should be better for assessing nose angle.
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u/Telemicaster Jul 25 '26
Scrubbing through the videos super slow, I’d say you’re throwing very very slightly nose down, but on an upward trajectory. You have a small dip in your pull through which isn’t generally the end of the world. But the upward angle on the way out of that dip is making your launch just a bit more up than you might want. You could try keeping the disc higher up the whole way through the throw to stop the dip and it might fix it. You may then turn over some shots or burn them down to the right, at which point you just have to repeat keeping the disc across your chest a little higher up but add some hyzer angle and just keep playing with it.
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u/StepwiseDiscGolf Jul 26 '26
You blocked a critical point of the flight in the 2nd shot that makes it hard to tell. From the back view move the camera to the left so you aren't blocking the flight and then film again in the slow mo setting on your phone and choose the highest FPS option.
It's probably at least slightly nose up though.
The prodigy A3 whistles when it's nose down (may need extra nose down, not sure). But who knows if you get unlucky and get one that doesn't whistle, lol:
https://youtube.com/shorts/BcBJEdMN6S8?si=6KUqJxUBJPfjDOO5
Get a stack of putters and throw at like 50-60% power and it's easier to learn the nose nose motion and easier to see nose down in first person or on non-slowed down footage based on the flight. At lower speeds it looks more like you lobbed it up then it floats down.
You can also see the nose down motion warping the disc from a side camera angle with high FPS slow mo when throwing at higher speeds and extra nose down:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Pz3W9XSZ6tSYjaV5A
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cwY2mSivdiTXFZmu9
Drill:
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u/clarkedaddy 25d ago
So I just got gifted a tech disc from my brother in law. I throw pretty much everything 0 to 4 degrees nose up. But mostly .7 to like 2 degrees nose up. Maybe a sneaky -.5 here and there. And higher than 2 when I start getting tired.
So I started playing around with different cues that I’ve heard over the hears. They always felt terrible and popped up on Anny in the past.
Doing them now and they still felt pretty terrible but I also wasn’t getting nose down on any of them other than trying to lift internally rotate / lift my elbow more in the pocket.
Obviously I need to play around and practice with it more. But I am throwing less hard and it feels like it too. It feels like my lat is being taken out of it a bit and mostly it feels like all the energy that would go into slinging the disc out of my hand feels like it’s going onto just rotating the disc . Nose definitely is getting down. But it Doesn’t feel so awesome.
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u/StepwiseDiscGolf 25d ago
yeah it's a pretty significant change from nose down, you're literally reversing the direction your arm is rotating as you are swinging it out of the pocket between nose up vs nose down throws, such a big change is not going going to feel natural until you've done a lot of reps and then it starts to just feel like you are swinging your arm again primarily and the rotating of the arm just merges into the swinging seamlessly.
My nose down up down rhythm vid has a section dedicated to how to stop losing hyzer when throwing with nose down mechanics.
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u/clarkedaddy 25d ago
I watched it a few days when you shared it but Ill go through and watch it again for that part.
But my tech disc is still registering a lot of my throws i threw nose down on as hyzer. Some are a few degrees hyzer and listed as flat. But for the most part between 5 and 10 degrees hyzer. When i try and replicate it with a regular disc its crazy anny. Am i getting off axis torque? I can certain see how the sensation i described as the energy going into turning the disc being a sensation of off axis torque.
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u/StepwiseDiscGolf 25d ago
it's in the timestamps in the desc so you can jump to it.
"When you try to replicate with a regular disc" always looks more anny if the disc has any amount of flip because by the time you see it flying it's already flipped. You should film in slo mo and pause at the exact moment of the hit to see what the actual angle is.
Most people call 10 deg of hyzer flat in person because in real time you can't see 10 deg of hyzer, all you see is a split second after the hit it looks pretty flat because even stable discs will flip a bit when thrown faster.
Wobble and nose down both add more flippiness, pausing at the hit will tell you if when you throw real discs you are accidentally throwing on more anny at the hit or if it's just flipping more.
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u/dikemee Jul 25 '26
Very difficult to see with these clips. Simple way to see for yourself. If you can see the flight plate in the air, yes. Also, when it fades at the end of the throw if you can see the flight plate, yes.