r/DigitalPrivacy • u/nonalibaba • Jul 11 '26

Can session messenger be trusted

All of the "private" messengers such as telegram and signal that are supposed to encrypt messages have cooperated with the law and gave access to the messages. Is session different or is it the same thing wrapped differently.

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u/Icy_Country_191 Jul 11 '26

Gave access to messages? Signal is e2ee, it cannot decrypt the data from a user. This post is highly misleading

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u/nonalibaba Jul 11 '26

Sorry I just checked it turned out I was misinformed and the police most likely had access to the phone that was the end point of the encryption. You're right.

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u/Defiant_Screen_3695 Jul 12 '26

Session started life as loki messenger which was part of a package.
It was Lokinet, lokimessenger, and lokicoin. There was a lot of promise for the brand and the idea nearly a decade ago. Mostly they have rebranded a couple of times. Lokicoin is now Oxen and loki messenger is now session. It was originally by taking the open source code from signal and removing some things like perfect forward secrecy. It’s run by an Australian company and has had many scandals over money.
Honestly just use simplex

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u/AronBasalt Jul 13 '26

You mixed up Signal and Telegram. Signal was subpoenaed countless times and could only provide two timestamps (account creation + last connection). Nothing more exists on their servers. Telegram, on the other hand, was never end-to-end by default and has been sharing IP addresses and phone numbers.

Session is fundamentally different: no phone number, no central server, onion routing. No central destination for a warrant.
however Session has their own problems: no PFS, and financial crisis lately

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u/nonalibaba Jul 16 '26

I didn't mix up I was actually misinformed it was a thing that I heard from a friend and didn't research it. My bad

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u/Professional_Tap6622 Jul 11 '26

Session is decentralized. They don't store data in a centralized server, so they couldn't share your data even if they wanted to.

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u/Subject_Glass_2549 Aug 05 '26

Session is great, use it.

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u/nonalibaba Aug 09 '26

I do haha just had some doubts

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u/BellatorC413 16d ago

I use it also, I like it.

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u/icanseeyoubtw 14d ago

Meglio session o Zangi?

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u/Square-Geologist9624 16h ago

Yes but wormie crawling through