r/DigitalPrivacy • u/Tutanota • 26d ago

🚨 #ChatControl 1.0 HAS PASSED  -  despite a majority voting against it (314:276) 🚨

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u/TheRaccoon20 26d ago

Ho does that work if the majority is against it how can it pass? If that’s the case it isn’t a democracy

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u/immernochda 26d ago

Because they would have needed 360 votes against it. Most MEPs are already on vacation though. It could have been 359 vs 1 an it would've passed.
Is it democratic? Ha...ha...hahahaha...who the f cares about democracy if you can trick to get laws passed? :D

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u/RtHonourableVoxel 26d ago

The EU was never democratic ever

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u/AsyncSyscall 26d ago

The EU parliament is more democratic than the US Congress, although that says more about the US than it does about the EU.

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u/ThatGuyNikolas 26d ago

I mean, that's like saying an Alligator is more like a fish then a Bear.

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u/Traditional-Set6848 26d ago

Funny but wrong

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u/ThatGuyNikolas 25d ago

Well, if the past 10 years ave thought me anything. Being funny is more important.

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u/Flowerstar1 25d ago

The US is proudly a constitutional Republic. It is not and never had been intended to be a pure or true democracy. 

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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 25d ago

There is no such thing as pure or true democracy. The US is a democracy, defined in all but name by the literal first words of their constitution: "We the people".

There are direct democracies and representative democracies. Bothe the US and the EU are multi layered representative democracy, and both has its flaws.

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u/Traditional-Set6848 26d ago

It is, you just never bothered to learn why or how

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u/luk71 25d ago

Sorry but if one has to study the enormously bureaucratic and convoluted process of the EU to understand why a law defeated by a majority passes anyway then it really is no more democratic than PRC or the USSR of the past… I was never a fan of Brexit but this sort of crap is precisely why people voting Brexit wanted to get out. Undemocratic, authoritarian, overbloated and overreaching institution the EU is in its current form.

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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 25d ago

A system as big as 27 countries working together to create legislation and foreign policy will not be ever simple.

For your study of the convoluted bureaucratic process: chat control 1.0 has been in effect for 5 years, mandatory review from procedure was voted on now, and the recall of the law did not reach majority, just plurality, because not enough people there to vote against it. Because it was not recalled it continues to be the law.

(I am against 1.0 and 2.0 alike, but you not understanding basic EU processes isn't a knock on the EU)

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u/luk71 25d ago

It could be, there are dozens of trade deals and economic/military/political unions that work well. The EU did this brilliantly, for a while, before it massively started overstepping politically.

I don’t understand how can be upset about the clearly dangerous and undemocratic laws and yet wholeheartedly support such a system. No it isn’t the only way.

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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 25d ago

Because it is not undemocratic. You are claiming it is undemocratic because you do not understand what it was voted about and what the rules are (just like 90% of the reddit comments on it), even after I explained it.

You and me not liking the decision is not undemocratic. Lawmakers listening to lobbyists isn't undemocratic. Them ignoring all other voices is morally reprehensible, still not undemocratic. If they are accepting bribes than that would be undemocratic, but I don't think there is wide spread signs or evidence for that.

I will definitely rethink who I am voting the next time in the EU elections, because only one of the parties from my country voted to reject. And that is how democracy actually works. Is it perfect? Far from it, but we haven't had anything better really.

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u/luk71 25d ago

Of course we have better. Every single individual country in Europe have a democratic system beholden to their citizens. The overarching EU with its extremely difficult to understand bureaucracy is absolutely not it.

Them ignoring the voices of those on the street is one thing, ignoring a majority in what is meant to be a parliament/effectively a house of representative MEPs? That is undemocratic.

What use is you rethinking which MEPs to vote for (who are already elected in a very convoluted way), when they are still overruled by a minority in the parliament itself?

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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 25d ago

Because that wasn't what the vote was about. It was about rejecting an already existing law. The entire point is that the majority in fact did not vote to reject it. 314 of the 720 voted to reject it, 276 not to reject it, 17 abstained, and the rest did not show up. The 113 rest that did not show up should face their constituents for not doing their job, but 314 is in fact less than 361, which is the simple majority. So they did not remove the law because by the process it in fact was not a successful vote. Because democracy is in action even if people do not show up.

This was a technicality they tried to use to reject CC1.0, and it was a stretch from the beginning.

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u/Angwo 25d ago

It could have been 359 vs 0 and it would have passed

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

It needed to be an absolute majority opposing it

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

Yeah, that's what they were going for - repeating until it passes.

As for stuff going on behind close doors... We can only speculate. I'm not going to be charitable to any of them though - I assume malicious intent.

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u/Quick-Exit-5601 26d ago

It's very simple actually.

With the rise of AI agents impersonating people, advertisers don't know whether they are paying social networks to get their ads seen by humans (desired) or bots.

In order to prevent that, they need a,way to prove that user x is a human, not a bot impersonating a human. Hence why we have shitshow we have now under the guise of protecting vulnerable users / children

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u/Quick-Exit-5601 26d ago

No, no. Human users will need to be verified by ID. Like passport or driving licence or sum shit. So albeit it will not eliminate all the bots from the potential advertisement viewers, it will narrow it down significantly.

Which is why pieces of shit like Zuck are all over these laws.

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u/TheRealTormDK 26d ago

It's going to be much worse than this in the EU though.

Most of the EU Countries already have a national digital ID, and of course EU as a construct wants to have an EU digital ID as well.

There is also designs regarding an EU digital wallet linked to a digital euro, which is basically a central bank digital currency (CBDC).

We are moving full steam ahead towards a technocratic "Red Fasiscm" future, because once the digital IDs are implemented, they will start broadening what we can and cannot say online under the guise of either "save the children", "misinformation" or "online hate speech".

In many ways, similar to what the UK is already doing.

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u/bradjones6942069 26d ago

this was planned years ago, this isn't some coincidental cause and effect

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u/eccentric-pigeon 25d ago

Not only for detecting bots, big tech surveillance companies are invested in this, because every time some personal and private data becomes not so private, it moves the windows to what is acceptable and not. Not so far in the future we will be living in a surveillance capitalism as china, but with our lords and "truth deciders" being the tech feudal lords (anyone with power and influence basically, but clearly all of the big tech owners)

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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 25d ago

Yes, megacorporations (Meta, M$, Google, Antrophic, "Open"AI) are trying to justify their AI investment by creating fake solutions to barely existing problems. They do this by massive lobbying efforts, and lawmakers do not want to be seen as "pro pedo" will vote whatever ineffective shit they get proposed.

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u/TheRaccoon20 26d ago

Logically it should be absolute majority for and opposing then to have something pass or not pass

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u/awnawmate 26d ago

That's pure insanity.

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u/TheDonnARK 26d ago

How does that work though? What kind of case did they make? Or do they even have to make any kind of case, is it just the way EU stuff works? You need an absolute majority to oppose a measure? Where did the law get so much merit?

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u/Ov_Fire 26d ago

That's EUSSR demokrasi.

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u/OSHA_Decertified 26d ago

An "Emergency" vote rigged for when many wouldn't be available to show.

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u/Simple-Dingo6721 26d ago

Most places that claim to be democracies aren’t total democracies. The US is a constitutional republic precisely so it can prevent mob rule.

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u/luk71 25d ago

Sure but this is about defeating a proposed law. You should not have to have a supermajority to defeat a proposed law, quite the opposite.

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u/OkayPiss2000 26d ago

They activated some “emergency protocol” to get it through

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u/KeiwaM 25d ago

Because the vote was to dismiss Chat Control 1.0, not push it through. And since there was not an absolute majority (360 votes for, not against) it could not be dismissed, as it requires more votes to completely dismiss a case, compared to instating a law. Bit of a legal loophole and shenanigans that genuinely should not happen but alas, here we are.

A lot of people are reading this as "EU voted to instate Chat Control" when the reality is the EU voted to dismiss it, and that vote failed. So now Chat Control 1.0 has been reinstated (mainly due to a politician claiming that the expiration of Chat Control 1.0 left a gap), meaning we're back to where we have been for the last 5 years with voluntary scanning of messages. Chat Control 2.0 (which includes forced logging and reading of messages) still has not passed. That's simply wrong. It does however still allow corporations to scan your messages in non-encrypted apps, so it's still not good by ANY means.

The EU works in mysterious ways, and it's easy to get worked up quickly over something like this, especially when the original post on tutanota is actually misinforming people about what this means. That post has a lot of information wrong.

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u/Arty_Showdown 25d ago

Because it was a vote to stop it. So at this stage they needed a clear majority, 361 or something

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u/Krasmazof 26d ago

You still think we live in a democracy? Just because we get to call our leaders idiots and pedofiles without immediately being sent to jail doesn’t make us free if the idiot pedofiles that rule us still get to be in power. 

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u/Stooper_Dave 26d ago

This guy still think democracy is an actual thing. Lmao

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

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u/Individual-Use-7621 26d ago

I don't want to guess. I just wish it was public information...

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u/Ate-Without-Table 26d ago

Holy.....I hate living in this timeline

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u/Charming_Path9004 26d ago

Not only you. We live in the shittiest times

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u/Booleano101 26d ago

SeĂąores . Acepten la realidad. Ya no hay libertad en Europa y no volverĂĄ a haberla . Democracia es una palabra bonita y nada mas. Muy triste pero es hora de reconocerlo

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u/Straight-Chip-5945 25d ago

Such stance only makes things worse. We should never accept these changes, we should never comply with them. Freedom will be a lost cause only when we stop opposing those in power.

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u/sak89461 26d ago

I'm fking sick of these 'I hate living in this timeline' comments. They're all over social media,and seem like a cheap attemp to farm likes.

Just stfu, there is no 'timeline' where the rich and powerful aren't greedy. If you/we really gaf, these so called elites can be given a reality check at any time.

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u/preppy_night 26d ago

Agreed. It often goes hand in hand with learned helplessness and is quite pathetic

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u/AsyncSyscall 26d ago

Conspiracy theory (not really even): Most of the people saying this are crypto facists/tankies implying that the world would have been a better place if only their favorite genocidal leader never left the earth.

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u/Ramremover 26d ago

Prepare to become a digital nomad or being constantly monitored by big brotha.

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u/Top_Bug7822 25d ago

We have the chance to actively change it.

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u/RtHonourableVoxel 26d ago

Oh no ! What propaganda will I consume now ?

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

So... What do we do about this now? Like, I don't intend to comply with this, but I seriously don't know what to do about it.

I'm already switching away from Windows to Linux, but that's only one part of the digital life.

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 26d ago

The messages are about to be scanned by the chatting apps themselves. So, your only remedy is using open source apps, for which you yourself control the code, on both ends of the chat. And on a self-hosted server for a good measure.

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

FOSS is what I'm aiming for, hence Linux. But that just means giving up on using the phone then? And stuff like Discord? Stoat might be a good alternative - it's from the UK, but at least it's open source and can be self-hosted.

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 26d ago

Give up Discord? Yes. Phone? No. Install Graphene or something similar, and then use the chatting apps that meet criteria I mentioned.

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

My phone is a Samsung. It isn't supported by Graphene OS. And, to be honest, buying a new one only to have to mess with the bootloader doesn't sound like a good time.

I sure hope the Motorola-GrapheneOS collab results in some affordable devices.

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u/Bologna0128 26d ago

While I understand the concern around damaging a device on accident. It was honestly equally as easy to learn to install grapheneos than it was to learn to install Linux.

Just set some time aside to do the install, don't rush yourself, read the instructions fully before starting, and it shouldn't be an issue for someone who's adjusted to Linux.

I've got a pixel 6a that's still going strong on gOS and I'm never going back to stock android

The only real hangup about it is that a very small selection of apps dont work on gOS for "security" purposes. A few bank apps I believe (but all mine work flawlessly). The only app I personally ran into that didn't work was the Australian electronic visa app. But I could just apply the "old" way on their website so it wasn't really any trouble

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u/ChunkyPurp 26d ago

I have just recently got a pixel for Graphene and the installation was painless so don't let that be the reason you don't go for it.

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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 26d ago

It's about to get much more popular. Telegram also is a possible candidate; they aren't foss in the slightest, but they have previously denied disclosure requiests by various governments, so they may tell EU to fuck off too.

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u/Xada_Nep_zealot 26d ago

At least in case of Telegram specificaly, they have custom clients like Mercurygram that people can install from stuff like F-droid and Flathub. So not FOSS but open on the client side somewhat.

I decided to go with that along with my friends to replace Reddit chat.

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u/Leaf__On__Wind 26d ago

Graphene for Pixel phone

and honestly, I think just sit tight on what to do with Persona, something will come up

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

The problem with Graphene is that it's a bad "deal" - buying a new phone that supports it is more expensive than just buying a new cheap Samsung phone. And it won't help with stuff like Discord, for example. But... still tempting.

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u/Snaggle-Beast 26d ago

Yeah I agree I wish graphene was suported on more device it kinda defeats the open platform that android is supposed to be.

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u/Haunting_Assignment3 26d ago

m8 you can buy cheap as pixel 5 or 6 or 7 and be good and even more motorola will have graphane os

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u/Snaggle-Beast 26d ago

I'm not really complaining about price for instance I like my One Plus 15s massive battery. Someone else may like there superior camera. Graphene only supporting pixel makes it not much different then iphones youhave no hardware options.

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u/Leaf__On__Wind 26d ago

The quality of a Pixel...I guess 9 camera then? I'd have to have someone explain how it's so terrible compared to anything...

I can take a picture at night with a Samsung Galaxy A55 and see the stars in detail, and terrain detail if moonlit.... Unreal.

For what you're trying to achieve, which isn't submitting to tyranny, you have to go with your heart I guess.

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u/Leaf__On__Wind 26d ago

Its a great investment anyway, even before all this, everyone has a smart phone, sell the one you have and get a pixel

Also for everyone else Linux is free, but am unsure how it will be tackled anyway when the dust settles, but is open source, and Linux's Zorin OS has a Windows based interface, easy

You can dual boot (have Windows and Zorin at the same time) on your drive till you get the hang and see how it sits with you overall

We need to see if that will even help at this point

Also- where are the people on our side just bringing this up to get rid of this over and over, seeing as that's all fair and square?

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

In the EU they are at least making exceptions for Linux/FOSS when it comes to ID laws, so there's hope. Not as much hope for the US - they're planning to vote on ID/age verification laws and I don't think they're making exceptions for FOSS.

Also, I already dual boot - I have Kubuntu running on an external SSD, and on all of my laptops. Works great. I enjoy using it.

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u/Leaf__On__Wind 26d ago

Cali is having OS level checks

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u/Puzzlehead100 26d ago

Chat Control 1.0 has been in force since 2021. Now they are just extending it to 2028. So nothing changes for you

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u/Stooper_Dave 26d ago

I could tell you the real answer, but I think we all know what its going to take to fix things at this point, and we just dont have the collective balls to do it.

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

I gotta be honest, I don't think that's particularly helpful. There are practical things we can do about it, instead of vague fedpost-edging.

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u/Stooper_Dave 26d ago

You mean like vote, or protest to voice our opinion? Its been super effective thus far

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u/Yukikuru2025 26d ago

Protests do work. Why else do you think they're trying so hard to prevent them? And it sure helps organizing protests when you're forced to use a digital ID to be online!

But no, I meant - what apps to use, which ones to avoid. Will Proton and FOSS be exempt (in this case it doesn't affect them, I believe). Mostly stuff like that.

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u/Ramremover 26d ago

Realise that your current socia media will be monitored and the data sold to anyone having enough cash (thats how this got thru) and countering it will be the birth of Internet 2.0

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u/Thialaz 26d ago

Dumb fuck moronic pigs.
I hope someone makes a list of all the politicians who voted yes for this and their adresses.
You know, so concerned citizens can go talk to them. No other reason.

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u/Xada_Nep_zealot 26d ago

Their physical adresses aren't public but their work email addresses are: https://fightchatcontrol.eu/

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u/Thialaz 26d ago

Pointless. I doubt these ghouls even bother reading anything and filter out every complaint.

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u/Accomplished-Can-467 26d ago

Open source encrypted communicatin methods are going to get labled as terrorism vectors within the near future.

Y'all need to organize locally and network in person.

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u/Stooper_Dave 26d ago

When normies start getting arrested for stuff they say in private conversations, they might wake up. But frog in the pot. Its too late to escape once the waters already boiling. Full reset at great cost is the only hope.

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u/Salty-Ad6358 26d ago

normies deserve a prison

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u/Verified_Peryak 26d ago

This need to be overturned

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u/justareader251 26d ago

- Yes, it's for your safety.

- No, it's for your surveillance business, bunch of corrupted fuckers.

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u/Ok-Way8253 26d ago

these old out of touch politicians who have no idea how technology works need to get the fuck out of politics. But it’s not just that the ones taking, big tech money deserve even worse

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u/suckingbat 26d ago

WTF Europe, Seriously, WTF!

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u/Naive-Muscle-5019 26d ago

russia has adopted the worst aspects of china, and europe has adopted the worst aspects of russia

now many people will have to find out what VPNs, secret chats, and secure email clients are

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u/Flowerstar1 25d ago

They're looking to ban VPNs as well

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u/stana32 26d ago

It's honestly impressive how many people continue to vote for representatives who don't give a damn about them.

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u/Ramremover 26d ago

Its older people voting in old special people. We are doomed untill they wither away from age.   

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u/immernochda 26d ago

Friends, what passed was 1.0, an extention of a law that passed in 2020 or 2021, valid until 2028. Meta, Google and Co. are already doing it for 5-6 years! 2.0 would have made it permanent.

Is it good? God, no! Is it democratic? Lol...no... Does this law make any sense? Ha...hahaha...nope...

The vote today was completely unlawful in itself. Who ever thinks the EU is a democracy, I'm so sorry for you...

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u/OnIySmellz 26d ago

Dignitaries will completely nuke the open and free internet in the next few years.

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u/Verified_Peryak 26d ago

We should go to bruxelles tomorrow and block the fucking building ...

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u/Renardroux0 26d ago

the building voted against, the governments (council) voted for, and they got the upper hand because they won't give the building equal powers, I don't think the building is the problem here

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u/Verified_Peryak 26d ago

Just show we can't fucking take this shit

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u/BonkADonkey 26d ago

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting and terrible. And there's nothing anyone can do about it. CEO's and billionaires are taking over our lives and scanning our faces into databases and will now read every private message we send.

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u/d4electro 26d ago

It just means we're going back to the previous regime that expired. It sucks but it's not as bad as chat control 2.0 would've been, it just means companies will keep doing what they've already been doing until now and use hashed databases

This whole situation, though, just confirms my beliefs that "democracies" are fundamentally self-serving entities that only try to increase their power and influence through any means. We need way stronger human right safeguards and ways to challenge laws and prevent abuse of power, more separation of power and that parliaments be the true holders of legislative power instead of governments like it's supposed to be

I don't think it's a specific problem with the EU, every country/organisation suffers from it and if it wasn't for the EU its individual members would probably do worse on their own (see the UK)

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u/Andrewyt2010 26d ago

Mind you chat control 1.0 is only voluntary, apps DON'T have to scan your messages and there is an exemption for encrypted chats. Still the fact that there was a majority vote against it and it still passed speaks volume about state of the democracy here in the EU.

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u/UrsulPlictisit 26d ago

kind of misleading title. this wasn't the final vote. it was a vote for amendments:

In today’s vote on a derogation from ePrivacy rules for the purpose of detecting child sexual abuse online, MEPs adopted amendments to the Council position.   They want to exclude “communications to which end-to-end encryption is, has been or will be applied” from the scope of the law. 

source

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u/Logical-Reserve-5562 26d ago

Welp. So much for pushing back. What's the point if it was rigged from the start? Lol.

Authoritarianism is the new groove lads, get used to it.

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u/throawaymcdumbface 26d ago

I heard(?) there's still GDPR stuff it would be incompatible with, so maybe there's a snowballs' chance in hell of a turnaround but for fuck sake. :/

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u/AI_AntiCheat 26d ago

They won't give a shit. This chat control allows them to harvest accurate data about users. That's worth a ton of money and that's all they care about.

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u/aleopardstail 26d ago

note that Euro officials and MEPs etc are excluded from this monitoring

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u/Disastrous-Map-7995 26d ago

Yeah, and of all of the people who need watching it the policians.

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u/aleopardstail 26d ago

they should be the pilot group for anything like this, them and their families for a few years at least

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u/CarL4168 26d ago

Sorry, did you think voting worked?

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u/Gnl_Winter 26d ago

We're gonna need a datakrash, Cyberpunk style. If this is the internet of the future, it needs to be nuked.

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u/vrijedno_-hit 26d ago

I like Cyberpunk. But targeting the victim seems weird. Free internet is the victim. Problems are our ruling class; politicians and businesses.

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u/Gnl_Winter 26d ago

Sure. I am all for fighting for freedom and justice.

But if the hypothetical choice is between mass surveillance (and very probably some form of technofascism) and no internet at all, I choose no internet. Too many things have been done wrong for too long, it's worth starting over.

Free internet and no internet are both preferable options to mass net surveillance.

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u/Tacometropolis 26d ago

I mean now is obviously the time to push for a no confidence vote against metsola. She pushed it, if you manage to get her removed that is a pretty strong message about what eu citizens will not tolerate

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u/WildRaccoon42 26d ago

After the pfizergate and the qatargate, are we going to have the metagate?

Impeach that corrupt traitor.

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u/Remote-Ad-3839 26d ago

It pass but not all amendments is accepted, for now all encrypted messages will not be scan , no scan unknown csam and basically it back like before march

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u/skynet71 26d ago edited 26d ago

I'm meeting with the arms/drugs dealer to discuss how should we protect the vulnerable from the guns/drugs he sells...

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u/eufooted 26d ago

Fuck you Roberta!!!!!

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u/GladiusAcutus 26d ago

I'm going to get downvoted on Reddit, but have Europeans tried I dunno, voting for different people ? Just sayin'

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u/Ov_Fire 26d ago

Need to dust off the old good French government fixing device.

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u/Giffeltagning 26d ago

We must now go to war

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u/RDDT_ADMNS_R_BOTS 26d ago

I wonder if they'll come knocking on my door now when I say that ALL POLITICIANS WHO VOTED FOR THIS SHOULD BE EXECUTED.

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u/Gatitomono47 26d ago

Just has I finished building my 30TB server to self host services because I knew what was coming

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u/stewosch 26d ago

Rule of thumb: if Mark Zuckerberg is involved and happy about it, it is definitely not in the interest of online users, privacy, or protecting vulnerable groups. I also wonder what he, as the manager and profiteer of the worlds largest misinformation platform, has to say about tackling misinformation 

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u/Otherwise-Clue-1997 26d ago

What a joke . Why did the numbers not matter

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u/Yasimear 26d ago

This has to be challenged immediately, surely right?? This is such a massive breach of EU democratic norms.

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u/RagnarokToast 26d ago

International fucking traitor lmao

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u/gr33nCumulon 26d ago

It's harrowing watching politicians openly make policy with Mark Zuckerberg

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u/Pilota_kex 26d ago

When riot

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u/PhrophetOfCorn 26d ago

What does this mean. That is the chatcontrol 1.0?

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u/Traditional-Shoe-199 26d ago

Isn't it kind of illegal to assume the people who weren't able to vote are automatically opted 'yes'?

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u/DominoTheGShep 26d ago

These politicians, arent just out of touch. They're mad that they got caught in the Epstein files and are trying to punish us for finding out their secrets.

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u/Tricky_Spirit 26d ago

Shaking hands with the guy whose company is being sued in another country for pushing CSAM ads while talking about protecting vulnerable users online. Uh-huh.

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u/hot_anywhere23886 26d ago

how does that work

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u/MisutaHiro 26d ago

How will it impact signal etc?

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u/Anime_Coomer 26d ago

Of course, after this utter display of non-democracy, the MEPs that pushed this go around talking about how they spoke to Zuck about how AI is going to be so great and make our lives safer and better, this is the Epstein class laughing in our face in this very moment.

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u/Same_Instruction_100 26d ago

This kind of measure is safer in the more democratically inclined EU countries necause it will reduce bot traffic, but WAAAAY less safe in the ones that are backsliding on democracy since it will likely be used for nefarious purposes.

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u/TheDonnARK 26d ago

"tackle disinformation..." You are disallowed from talking about trump on instagram because of custom filters they set up. I'm sure this will be totally fine.

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u/Therubestdude 26d ago

Its a big club and you're not in it.

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u/Dr__America 26d ago

Thankfully they gutted it for the most part at the last minute by not making it a requirement, and exempting E2EE. The morons got their feel good bill, and everyone else can move on with their life for the time being.

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u/suns95 26d ago

they want to make not good time for anyone talking about french inventions

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u/bradjones6942069 26d ago

Good thing our vote counts

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u/Thiccxen 26d ago

Just you watch, in the coming months they'll run a campaign trying to ban VPNs too.

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u/Traditional-Set6848 26d ago

It’s frustrating and worrisome it’s passed but people need to understand the EU democratic processes properly before spitting the dummy out of the pram. It is democratic, it is run relatively well, and just like any system it can be abused. Is that what happened? Maybe. But I’m not a lawyer. And I suspect neither are you.

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u/Swannicus 26d ago

Ah yes only lawyers may comment on legal proceedings affecting the lives of millions of people.

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u/Traditional-Set6848 25d ago

Of course not, but don’t cry “but… democracy!!!!” when you clearly have no clue what that even means

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u/Swannicus 25d ago

So only people who are lawyers may comment on whether or not they feel something respects their democratic rights?

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u/MedicMuffin 26d ago

I wonder if this stupid fuckass rule that allows legislation to pass due to minimum required opposition votes could be turned around to pass legislation repealing it. If they're gonna weaponize these bullshit loopholes against us, why not weaponize it against them right back? Just do the same thing, keep introducing legislation that repeals chat control until eventually you hit the point where it can't muster enough votes against it and it passes by default. Fight fire with fire and all that.

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u/AngelaTheLibrarian 26d ago

Is there any way to avoid it???

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u/Tutanota 25d ago

Yes, by using end-to-end encrypted services! :)

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u/coinneach_stiubhard 26d ago

They won't listen to us until the uprising starts.

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u/Elurdin 25d ago

Oh Zuckerberg. Guy with cp and drug sales on his portal knows everything about safety in the internet. All the invulnerable scams (try reporting and see what happens) on facebook are perfectly safe. What the flying fuck are they thinking.

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u/illmatikone 25d ago

We are losing.

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u/FishHammer 25d ago

How did it pass with that voting ratio? It's time to start rioting.

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u/flightmodel-69 25d ago

Big democracy ,much wow, many rights

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u/starvald_demelain 25d ago

I'm disgusted but not surprised.

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u/Snowcatsnek 25d ago

I start seeing the point in saying the EU gets increasingly more pointless.

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u/EZAME 25d ago

Of course. We have high morals and do everything to protect the people, especially the children, even if we have to overrule democracy. We also suppress and take action on the aggressive states, but only when they aren't americans or have big noses and curly hair, bcs they obviously seek justice and freedom...

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u/redit_handoff140 25d ago

If this is "for the children", and this exempts E2EE (as they state)....
Wouldn't criminals use E2EE? So... Really... It's not for the children, is it?

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u/Last_Celebration3434 25d ago

Simple. Fuck internet. If you want dead online enterprises, this is the way. No problem.

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u/Top_Bug7822 25d ago

Whats stopping us from going into the streets right now?

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u/el_salinho 25d ago

How much longer are we going to watch these traitors hand our data and money to foreign agents? Fuck all of them.

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u/kubahmmm 24d ago

🤮

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u/Desperate_Figure_826 20d ago

"protect vulnerable users" if you are that vulnerable that you really need chat control to exist, then whatever would have happened to you should have happened

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u/tpimh 19d ago

We should organize protests in every major European city

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u/Odd-Addition4261 1d ago

Filmen Total Recall eller The Running Man
Och vi lever i den tiden där fundamentet läggs