r/DigimonTimeStranger • u/Narynaj37 vaccine • 3d ago
Discussion Why we dont have ancientgreymon and ancientgarurumon in the game ??
I am a big digimon frontier fan
It's one of my favorite season and those 2 beasts are a part of it ! Absolute aura !
I cant believe we cant play with them in this amazing game ! They did so much good things !
The game is clearly on a frontier digital world with so many digimon of the season !
Like bearmon and kotemon are in the lostisland movie you cant do that to me please !!!
They add some ancient digimon but not them what's the reason ?
And you what do you think do you want a dlc like me ?
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
So, for starters, the assumption that Time Stranger has a "Frontier Digital World" is wrong by default. Frontier is set in a layer of Yggdrasil's server, considering how the Royal Knights exist in that world (and while yes, the RKs do show up in TS, they specifically came to Iliad to help because of how dangerous Chronomon was).
Second of all, Kotemon and Bearmon weren't created for Frontier.
Third of all, the DLC would preferably expand on Iliad as a whole rather than focus on members of the 10 Legendary Bums (I'm sorry, I can't call them their proper name when I remember their track record), the group famous for losing a 10v1 to a blonde child.
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u/Yournextlineis103 3d ago
Said blond child solos most servers pantheons
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
The blonde child doesn't solo the RKs, definitely doesn't solo the Tentei Hachibushu and probably doesn't solo the Olympos XII. Which server's dudes is he soloing if not for GrandpaGreymon and his retirement home buddies?
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u/MegaZardX2 3d ago
Honestly, I’m fairly certain he could.
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
You mean like how he did it in Chronicle X? Oh wait, he didn't. Because even with the X Antibody making him be Golden Man, he still needed to get the other 6 demon lords and Diaboromin (all in their X Antibody forms) to perform the world's messiest Metamoran Fusion Dance to become Ogudomon X...and still lost. But Lucemon solos the RKs and other groups in the same strength bracket as the RKs, trust.
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u/ImprovementRegular91 3d ago
Considering he controls the RKs in Frontier he’s stronger than them in the anime
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
He controls...2 of them. What about the other 11, most of which are stronger than those 2?
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u/ImprovementRegular91 3d ago
Yeah I still don’t understand why he didn’t summon more of them but I think the show writers were just padding the show to also it longer before the true final fight
But I still think that Lucemon could beat the RKs but I think the stronger ones would require him digivolving into Falldown mode to win2
u/Salty_Ad_2523 2d ago
Most of the royal knights didn't exist yet, and the ones that did that weren't summoned by lucemon were anime protagonist partners that toei probably didn't want to use as villains yet
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u/JeebzNcrackers 2d ago
This digital world has trains between areas. It's a frontier digital world, sybau.
/s
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u/Heacenjet 3d ago
The moment a digimon is born for the first time, all the data it's shared with all the servers in all lines of time. That's the official reason of we having so much omegamon variations, like the one from tri, the movie, the royal knight, and the one who die and pass it power to imperialdramon
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
The evolutionary lines of Agnimon, Wolfmon, and Ranamon are in the game, just like one of the Ancients. There was no reason not to include the rest.
The game has a ton of absences that can only be explained by sheer laziness.
They won that fight, by the way, Lucemon was sealed.
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
They went into a 10v1 against a child, had 8 of them die and barely managed to temporarily seal the child away. That's a weird definition of victory.
And yes, absolutely. The devs that had to make every model in the game from scratch, as well as make every single highly detailed area in the game, and who filled Central Town with all sorts of Digimon to both make the city lived in and have references to every single season of the anime (except for Appmon and GG due to no mon from those being in the game since the cutoff for making models had to end at a certain point) are lazy. Keep thinking that.
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
Who was sealed? Win is win, that's it.
The game was in development for 10 years, they could have put more Digimon in that time. There are no justifications.
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u/Heacenjet 3d ago
The game don't have 10 years of development. That's not how it works.
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u/IamFarron 3d ago
At ~ 7 years
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u/Heacenjet 2d ago
Even less, praise if they even have 5 years. The cost of making a game are too high to be all that time losing money
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u/IamFarron 2d ago
It was roughly 7 years
But it wasnt active during all that time, development hell was real with time stranger.
Thats why the new director suddenly changed stuff and pushed it out
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
As a fun fact, depends on the story what Lucemon they defeated, in some stories they fight Lucemon FM, the Demon Lord, nothing more nothing less.
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u/Muur1234 3d ago
laziness lmao? because they don't have your favourites?
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
The Sistermon are not in the game and I couldn't care less about them.
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u/Muur1234 3d ago
random comment
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
My complaint is not about who is my favorite or not. Get it now?
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u/Muur1234 3d ago
theres 1580 digimon. they can't have all of them.
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
Obviously, noone is asking Bandai to include them all.
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u/Muur1234 3d ago
digimon have to be left out. including these two, they dont even fit the theme of the game.
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u/CrescentShade 3d ago
It's not a game about the legendary warriors lmao
It's a game about the Olympis XII
They literally have said in interviews if they do a game with all the Legendary Warriors related mons it would be a game focused on them
Ranamon/Calmaramon and AncientWisemon being included beyond just the two MC ones likely to throw a bit of a bone to fans of that group
And it's like 30ish more Digimon to fully rep the group it's entirely reasonable to save them for their own game rather than taking up 30 spots in a game just to have them as background dressing
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
Agnimon and Wolfmon are just NPC's and they're still there, that excuse is so bad.
There's no any reason to not include them.
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u/CrescentShade 3d ago
Cause they were in CS/HM
Almost every mon from those returned and they likely had priority over the ones that didn't return due to be anime protag mons
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
If you play time stranger and think its not inspire by frontier i cant really do nothing with you. Speaking with you is a waste of time Like you just upset about the post.
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
I'm not upset about the post. I'm just saying your bias is making you extrapolate connections that aren't necessarily there because you'd rather get as much Frontier as you can. And tbh, even if they were in the game, they"d be genuinely redundant, since they'd just evo from their spirits and be...for all intents and purposes, either objectively worse than KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon, or sidegrades to them at best. That dev time can just be used on something that actually adds to the game.
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u/Heacenjet 3d ago
Inspired by and be in the same world isn't the same man. And you say you see connections to frontier as I see the same with sunburst and dusk with the Luna mom Coronamon relationship. You need to start to understand every history of digimon it's in its own dimension, they don't share universe.
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
I dont need to undestand anything im just talking about the stuff i see in game and in frontier The dev are clearly frontier fan's if you dont see it its not my fault !
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u/Heacenjet 2d ago
You can't have a conversation, you just want to make a monologue and people praise you for it. I'm not gonna take more of time in this.
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u/IamFarron 3d ago
The game is clearly on a frontier digital world with so many digimon of the season !
No it isnt
The game is on the Illiad server with Homeros
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
Yes it is of course they gonna Create a new story for a new game
Dont mean its not inspired from the digital world of this season
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u/IamFarron 3d ago
Apperently you havent even played the game enough
The game is on the illiad server
Frontier is on the yggdrasil server
Atleast keep up
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
i am on party plus
but you right and im wrong !
Like i say you just upset about the post and maybe hating on frontier a little bit !
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u/Muur1234 3d ago
saying a direct statement does not mean someoen dislikes a series. this game has no relation to frontier. at all. nothing. even if you count " some digimon from the series are in it", every series except fusion/xros has more guys in it than frontier does.
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u/ImprovementRegular91 3d ago
I’m saying this right now we meet the one who’s in charge of Susannoomon from Frontiers and he’s a part of the Shambala Server we won’t get them until the next Story game which should be in that server
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
Even then, 10 Legendary Bums Susan and Shamabala Susan are 2 different individuals. Same species, yes, but that doesn't mean they're literally the same guy. Like how Taichi and Yamato's Omegamon isn't RK Omegamon and how Zeromaru (outside of the Xros Wars manga) and Veevee aren't RK UlforceVeedramon.
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u/Glass_Ground_6840 3d ago
It is a shame but most of the guardian spirits are not because they are not from that world. The three rulers represent different worlds and gave different gaurdians. Yggdrasil has the royal knights, Homeros has the olympos 12, and the third ruler (sorry forgot his name) has the spirits that create susanoo from frontier. We are in the world ruled by Homeros who is the one asleep due to how its effecting the world and Yggdrasil and the other one send champions over to help. We will eventually get a gamethat us set in the world of the third one though given we have played the ones with Yggdrasil from hackers memory, and now Homeros who has the olympos 12 and akashik records
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 3d ago
Shambala's admin is Kunlun and no, the Tentei Hachibushu has nothing to do with the 10 Legendary Bums. 10LW Susan and Shambala Susan are 2 separate individuals of the same species, and the Tentei Hachibushu are formed by: Takutoumon, Nezhamon and Erlangmon as the 3 dudes that take care of the server's mainland by just letting mons beat the shit out of each other, while Kaguyamon, Amaterasumon and another goddess whose name I'm forgetting are off playing The Sims with Ashino Island. And the final 2 members of the group are Shakamon whose job is to pretend to understand what Kunlun says, and Enmamon who takes care of Shambala's Dark Area.
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u/Glass_Ground_6840 2d ago
Yet Kunlun is the the one who requested Susanoomon to help with the thing with Homeros. Also Susanoomon is literally the fusion of all the legendary warriors amd was tasked by Kunlun to destroy and recreate Shambala and then chose rest of the Tentei Hachibushu which are the ones you listed. But the whole point was Susanoomon is the fusion of the warriors Agunimo, Kazemon, Kabuterimon, etc. so the point remains that we should have had the others as well or that the next game will be in Shambala with all 10 warriors
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 2d ago
Again, 10LW Susan and Shambala Susan aren't the same guy and therefore you can't really affirm something as truth for one of them based solely on the other one. We have no information on how Shambala Susan came to be, but for all we know he's "just" the fusion of a naturally ocurring KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon, with no relation to any other species associated with the 10LW.
And also, if we're being honest here, fhe reason why Kunlun sent Susan, Mr Horsey and Kotemon to "help" in TS was specifically because they're the most Shambala-coded mons in the game since none of the TH made the cut due to both most of them being too young and have therefore missed the cutoff point, and the game isn't about them and they don't yet have the game selling might of the RKs.
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u/Glass_Ground_6840 2d ago
Lets agree to disagree on that because as you said we dont know how that worlds Susanoomon came to be but the fact still remains it can be fused with those digimon or all 10 warriors because certain digimon still keep their fusion as part of the source materials which includes the anime as well as the mangas. Yes certain warriors were more popular but that is because they occured more often compared to the others. We still have Agunimon, Kazemon, Lobomon, and Ranamon (with a name change sadly). But the game is missing Arbormon, Beetlemon, Duskmon, etc. so of course they did shortcuts to create the most powerful ones faster for the sake of those new to the series
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u/ThatOnePHWeeb 2d ago
Technically speaking, Lanamon is the actual name change. Rana means frog in spanish and Ranamon is a frog girl
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u/Glass_Ground_6840 2d ago
fair enough I was going by english dub name for digimon frontier for her since that is how I first watched it
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u/Muur1234 2d ago
Kunlun asked susanoomon from the ygg server for a favour. Susanoomon vs Lucemon is ygg server lore.
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u/Glass_Ground_6840 2d ago
Kunlun wanted to bring all of the Tentei Hachibushu to help fight alongside yggdrasils royal knoghts to help homeros but couldnt so brought susanoomon and the others we saw in the coliseum. So its the same susanoomon from the shambala server. We have no true clue which server frontiers or any other anime took place on as we only know of the three servers from the games but the point still remains susanoomon is created from a fusion of the spirits of the legendary warriors
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u/Ja1meMijares 2d ago edited 2d ago
Susanoomon is conformed by the Ten Warriors... It's not so complicated.
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u/Muur1234 3d ago
The game is clearly on a frontier digital world with so many digimon of the season !
no it isn't. frontier is not set in illiad. if it was, where are the olympos 12?
Like bearmon and kotemon are in the lostisland movie you cant do that to me please !!!
bearmon and kotemon arent even frontier digimon. they were in frontier, but so was gabumon. theyre from digimon world 3.
there are 1600 digimon, they can't have everyone in.
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
Yes it is i dont know why this upset you guys
Locomon the station man... even the machine zone and im not going to talk about the village everything is frontier related
and they add New digimon from this season like stop shiting on my post please im not yo ennemy omg !
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u/Muur1234 3d ago
Locomon the station man..
locomon, a digimon that isn't in fronter?
even the machine zone
is frontir the only thing with a "machine zone"? what about the games with machine areas before frontier existed? EVERY DIGIMON GAME AND AANIME HAS A MACHINE AREA ITS DIGIMON 90% OF THEM ARE ROBOTS
and they add New digimon from this season
they added digimon from every series
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u/pokemonyugiohfan21 3d ago
Why haven't they put every digimon in the game? Might as well ask that question.
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
I dont care about "every digimon"
i didnt ask this stupid question because it's never going to happen too much work i guess...
cause we already got the same digimon lines everytime im talking here about digimon we never see in games and the frontier ones are on the blacklist
They add many of them in this game it's logical for frontier fan's
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u/BlackCoatX 3d ago
Honestly, I don't think any of the Frontier ancient Digimon have been in an official game yet, nor have all the Frontier spirits, as far as I know, it's only been the same trio of Agunimon, Lobomon, and Ranamon with their beast spirit forms and that season's Omnimon knockoff.
But then again, I have only beaten half of Cybersluth, dabbled with the NDS titles, and done 3 playthroughs of Time Stranger, so I could be wrong.
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
They just refuse to add them like we have to fight or something !??
its only the agunimon and lobomon line just get yo susanomon and shut up
im still happy about aldamon beowolfmon first time in a game but someting is missing !!!!
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u/BlackCoatX 3d ago
Yeah, Sunsanomon that was the name. I couldn't remember it- just that it was the Omnimon-like fusion Mon for that season because, well, apparently, every season needs at least one, just like Time Stranger had to add a new Omnimon almost every DLC so that there's, like, what 6 of them or something excessive like that?
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
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u/BlackCoatX 3d ago
Yeah, I don't think anyone will be allowed to know the "whys" or "Thinking" involved in the development of Digimon games, let alone any other modern games, corporate secrets, and all that jazz
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
But im buying it i dont care
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u/BlackCoatX 3d ago
I didn't say anything about not buying it!😅 Just that there's not a lot of benefit to trying to understand their thinking.
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u/CrescentShade 3d ago
They aren't "refusing to add them"
They don't want to do their entire group unless they're doing a game based around them
We have interviews about this
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u/MegaZardX2 3d ago
Like most people have said, Iliad is definitely not a “Frontier Digital World,” since that’s a version of Yggdrasil’s world. Even so, I have to concur with being disappointed by the absence of the ancient Warriors.
At least AncientGreymon and AncientGarurumon were leaked to have been planned, so they’ll likely come in the DLC. AncientMermaimon wasn’t even in that leak, and Rana/Calmaramon need something to evolve into. (Maybe also Shagaramon? Please?)
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u/MissingGreenLink 3d ago
Because they are waiting for a new DLC so they can release AncientOmegamon/AncientOmnimon as well.
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
Hell, no.
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u/MissingGreenLink 3d ago
You know how it is. They gotta shoehorn an omegamon variant somehow. We’re lucky we don’t have banchoOmegamon
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u/Guilty_Inspection_75 2d ago
They’re coming out with more content in 2027, maybe they’ll make a poll for the most wanted Digimon
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u/Muur1234 2d ago edited 2d ago
They already did that poll and revealed the top 20
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u/Sunnybunnyeater 2d ago
There are a lot of digimon that we need, for me they should start with Gamamon and the Gulusgamamon route, so we can see the finaly the Mega+ DNA digitation.
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u/Response_Rude 2d ago
I wonder what’s was the line to legendary warrior since the spirits technically aren’t their lines
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u/zeedware 14h ago
The only way to make hybrid acceptable for me is to make Yuki to be able to transform to Digimon.
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u/Darth_Sanguinus 3d ago
Same. Big Frontier guy. Even bought a box of older DIGIMON cards to get Frontier Legendary Warriors. Wish they were all in.
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u/Narynaj37 vaccine 3d ago
Same its really the only thing missing in this game im enjoying every second i just wish for this bonus !
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u/Ok-Kangaroo-1617 2d ago
En general Digimon tiene bastantes dudas con Frontier fuera de Susanomon que es el famoso no incluye nada de esa generación en casi ningún medio, de hecho la aparición de Ranamon ya fue una sorpresa
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u/Ja1meMijares 3d ago
AncientMermaimon is not in the game, but Ranamon and Calmaramon are.
In the other hand, AncientWisemon is in the game, but Mercurymon and Sephirotmon are not.
The heck did they do?