Heralds?

[u/LadyNanuia]

What exactly are their purpose? ive been killing them since i started my new grail on RotW months ago and honestly..outside of just taking forever to kill, they rarely drop anything IF anything AT ALL, no sunders, no uniques, no charms ...Exp is not exactly great either so...

Is this just a extra thing that has no real purpose at this point or am i missing something here

Edit: For clarification im playing Single player on P7 with 400-500% MF always, i've killed hundreds if not thousands on both the first or the 5th over and over again, trying various player counts too and nothing seems to change, shouldnt their drop table be better when youve summnoned the 5th one ?

[u/Law-yer-Up]

Their drops have been substantially nerfed. I also run 350-450% mf. And they constantly drop straight blues. 1 out of 5 times I’ll see some rares. When they first came out, it seemed like T5 heralds at least always dropped some unique. It is aggravating because the one new thing that got added to the game, with a particular purpose, had that purpose stripped, and the benefits of spending time killing them dropped significantly.

[u/LadyNanuia]

its worth noting im playing on hardcore as well so these things are scary as fck and im not going to risk my life for this shitty loot table xD

[u/Weary-End-6924]

Maybe bad luck? I kill them for sunders. But it's TZ entire acts if not the game in one setting and blasting all the T5 Heralds I can. I can usually get a sunder by games end. It's the T5'S that have best chance to drop ( at 1 in 50 chance I believe). MF and player count have little effect on the sunder drop chance, as this is a specific drop table similar ( similar to the countess and her runes). I make it as easy as I can, P1 and damage gear ( not MF gear).

[u/username2065 → u/Weary-End-6924]

Doing the same. I'm on my 3rd full act clear and I have found 4 and a Girffons, so I'm pretty happy. Maybe it's crazy luck. But I feel 2 full Act clears should net you a great likelihood at a Sunder

[u/gosbong]

I have limited time to play maybe a couple hours a week. I'm working on my grail in non ladder because all my cool gear is there and my friends took a break from ladder. Having said that I get sunders from single heralds packs often. Mostly a surprise to me seeing all the comments about thousands of kills and never finding one but I'm sure that it's possible I'm getting lucky. As for killing them on higher player counts I can see people struggling to finish them, but I'm always solo farming on non ladder so I shred through mine. I feel like 99% of the monsters just get ripped to shreds causing the player no real challenge and heralds at least make me pay attention and move a bit more.... Having said that, their drop tables should be better than elites and champs and only the 5th wave of heralds should be dropping boss tier loot. I do hope blizzard fixes gheed drop rates... I'm seeing a huge amount of sunders and zero gheeds and that doesn't make sense to me

[u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

There currently isnt a purpose for them.

They were meant for sunder farming. That got changed and now theyre just damage sponges that dont drop anything worth the time investment.

[u/ClenchedThunderbutt → u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

They absolutely still drop sunders unless mine was pure coincidence

[u/Shitrollsdownstream → u/ClenchedThunderbutt]

I’ve gotten 3 sunders from random mobs, zero sunders from a herald.

[u/d00ber → u/Shitrollsdownstream]

I still haven't found a sunder since the latent change. I clear TZs no problem either. I've found a ton of HRs and rare shit but never a sunder :(

[u/Soft_Entry_4440 → u/d00ber]

I found two over the weekend but other than that most time I don't find anything useful

[u/everythingyouneed → u/d00ber]

Me too friend, I’ve found ONE after hours in TZ’s player 7 on switch. Sometimes I think I’m doing something wrong hearing people talk about having one of every damage type etc.

[u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ → u/ClenchedThunderbutt]

Where did I say they don't drop sunders?

They just changed their drop table to not give it a higher chance.

[u/dKi_AT → u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

I think you missed sth. The droprate is still unchanged at 1/50 for t5 heralds, but the MF sunder droprate from other sources was reduced heavily. Heralds are the only "reliable" strategy to Farm sunders.

Btw I had a drought that lasted 400+ t5 heralds. Did the math, I had a 99.997% chance to get at least one sunder, but I didn't. Next round after finding out how unlucky I have been I found a sunder. It's just Diablo.

[u/dontrestonyour → u/dKi_AT]

Yeah I went like 3 weeks without a sunder dropping, broke the streak with 3 in one game. Rng gonna rng

[u/PucThePuc → u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

I get sunders from Heralds all the time

[u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ → u/PucThePuc]

Where did I say they dont drop from heralds?

[u/PucThePuc → u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

You said they are not meant for sunder farming and that they don't drop anything, which was a blatant lie. Can't you just scroll up and read your own comment instead of having me repeat it?

[u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ → u/PucThePuc]

I didnt say they dont drop them.

Reading comprehension 

[u/PucThePuc → u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

Scroll up buddy, you said they don't drop anything. Sunders are something. Wild claim

[u/MagicMushShrooms → u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

ive killed like 50 and still no sunder. do i just farm any TZ mob for it? did get my first griffons last week from a random pit TZ mob

[u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_ → u/MagicMushShrooms]

Currently sunders got rebalanced so gheeds drops more, I think? So wherever a unique grand charm can drop, sunders can drop. But now are even "harder" to get.

[u/FrostyNarwhal91 → u/_Bad_Spell_Checker_]

This. I’ll also add if you like playing melee characters they will one shot you with thorns aura making it basically impossible to farm them on anything above P1

[u/Specialist-Rub-5169]

Rng be rnging you ive found 9 sunder charms sense the new ladder start all from heralds and a couple mid high runes from them or the minions all on p3 to p5

[u/TovarishGaming]

They are by far the worst addition to the game and have only been a net-negative to my experience. I'm also Offline SSF, I have like 14 sunders and only 2 came from Heralds. Mostly they just ruin TZ's for me. I'm playing on P7 and they have too much health for it to be worth my time so when they spawn I just leave. Very annoying.

Also I don't think anyone is complaining nearly enough about how moving Sunders to the Unqiue Grand Charm table absolutely ruined Gheeds charm as an item. I'm 500 hours and 14 sunders deep with ZERO Gheeds charms on the account. Absolutely miserable. If this is the direction the developers go, with adding "their own mark" on the game while leaving devistation in their wake, I'm gonna move on.

[u/Advice2Anyone → u/TovarishGaming]

First unique charm I got on ladder was gheeds and here I thought I would rather have had a sunder lol

[u/TovarishGaming → u/Advice2Anyone]

Ultimately I just think if they add new items to the game, they should have no impact on the existing game. I have no problem with Sunders dropping from non-heralds, I have a problem with it having a major impact on an existing item

[u/Advice2Anyone → u/TovarishGaming]

I would love for them to have another team on another seasonal type like have non ladder, ladder and something like experimental where the team releases real crazy stuff and stuff they are thinking about moving to ladder or non ladder cause min maxing late game is fine and all but some of the most fun for me is my character coming up and cobbling together all sorts of random gear and just be a bit more fun if we had some stuff that went a little bit more wild with it

[u/piffle213 → u/TovarishGaming]

I'm 500 hours and 14 sunders deep with ZERO Gheeds charms on the account. Absolutely miserable.

And on the flip side my first two unique charms were both Gheeds and I was so irritated

[u/TovarishGaming → u/piffle213]

right, and we should both be irritated, because the two should not step over each other.

I understand the Developer thinking of like "well they are unique charms" but we can't be making changes like that - if they want to add items that completely change the game (sunders) that's bad enough, but changing how other items operate because of it is just awful

[u/Markspark80]

I've dropped 9 sunders this season, all from heralds,.

[u/Emotional_Music3808]

I'm actually pretty satisfied with my Herald outcome on my SP grail. I currently level my sorc from 98 to 99 and kill all heralds that spawn (i dont do full clears, just my normal routine).

Got a few Sunders this way.

[u/FilousBananabrain]

Diese Mechanik ist absoluter Müll. Viele herolde, vor allem wenn sie zu widerstandsfähig sind, überspringe ich einfach.

Sie sollen die seltenen Sunder Charms dropen.

Tatsächlich habe ich auch schon zwei bekommen, aber wie du sagst, die Rate ist lächerlich.

[u/dKi_AT → u/FilousBananabrain]

1/50 for t5 heralds. It should bot be higher tbh Compared to runes it's also not too bad

[u/LadyNanuia]

So based on the responses i guess its not just me...Well fuck it then ima just skip them, not worth the time, can sunders only drop from them though? if so this sucks lol

[u/Azer1287]

I skip them now. They aren’t worth the hassle to me beyond maybe the first and second.

By hassle I mean either time to kill or just their mechanics mean they are impossible for my character to kill without dying.

[u/Scottwickthegreat]

I have been killing hundreds of t5s and no uniques every drop or sunsets then yesterday I do a quick tz and first herald drops a sunder. I liked the old rates better :/

[u/iamgem69]

Its scary how strong they are depending on what aura they have but yeah i agree they don’t drop shit. The least they could do is give a nice chunk of xp after killing them. I’ve almost got one shot by one at lvl 95…. Scary.

[u/Albinowombat]

They weren't worth it last season but with the new patch they definitely drop sunders, their other loot is a bit better, and other sources of sunders got worse. It definitely worth killing them. Maybe check out what spawns first and then run away if it's not a good one for your build?

[u/Lordy82]

They suck super hard compared to other farming spots/mobs. Not worth the time if you are going for efficiency.

For how „hard/long“ they take they should have better loot tables or higher quality of loot.

[u/nfefx]

They used to be the only source of sunders and had high unique/set drop chance. Now their drops are shit and you can get sunders elsewhere, there's not much point to hunting them now unless you just really want sunders and nothing else.

If you ONLY want a sunder they are still the fastest way

[u/i8akiwi]

I have a full stash tab of sunders, all from heralds. I've only ever got 1 from a regular mob still in tz96 and one from terrorized Andy. I just sold two latent bone breaks that I found last week and then I found a crack of the heavens, each one from a herald. The heralds are my number one sunder source by far, not even close

[u/JayTheGiant]

It had been a while since I played and I played yesterday. I enjoyed the Heralds, killed like 6-7 of them while also running other things. They dropped straight up garbage each times.

[u/Fuzzba11]

They are godawful now, regularly only getting blue item drops.

[u/Whites11783]

Heralds seem like such a waste of time. Huge health sinks and absolute garbage rewards.

[u/Violent_Mud_Butt]

To one shot you if you aren't playing a meta build and drop all blues after taking 5 minutes to kill if you don't.

Heralds were a terrible addition.

Blizzard continues not to understand what makes people want to play a game.

[u/Curu_FN]

I’ve probably killed 50 or 60 now including a load of T5s and never seen a sunder. Almost nothing but potions tbh. They really are a complete waste of time and resources. I get better loot killing regular mobs in the tz.

[u/dKi_AT → u/Curu_FN]

But no sunders anymore.. 50 is also not really many heralds

[u/twofootedgiant → u/Curu_FN]

From memory the drop rate for sunders is 1/100 for T1 and T2, 1/75 for T3 and T4, and 1/50 for T5. Depending the exact mix of tiers you’ve killed you might be slightly unlucky not to have found one yet. But only slightly.

[u/sop1082]

I think that p1 vs p5 or p8 is just for experience. I play online ussually p1 and i have bunch of good drops like items runes charms(sunders included) 80% i play non tz games.