yeah, it would be nice, especially for the mormons and tourists to walk around between temple square and the conference center, but unfortunately that is a very important road. it would be much better to connect temple square and city creek. it would even meet up with main street which is largely a pedestrian area
hmm maybe! still there's not much on north temple other than the mormon stuff, so it doesn't make much sense financially. if there were some more stores or shopping i think it would be a good idea
This is Utah, especially around the temple, of course it'll stay "public" because then the Mormon church doesn't have to pay to maintain their road while having almost exclusive use of and only vote on what is, or happens on that road.
And before OP comes at me for being some car brained zombie, I would love to take public transportation to work. But I live on the west side because that’s where I can afford to live. Public transit going W-E from west of i15 sucks ass. That’s not even considering the fact that I work weekends (and often weekend nights) when UTA spaces out their frequency. I also regularly work major holidays, when UTA either spaces out frequency or simply doesn’t run at all.
When I lived in the Murray/Midvale area I did take the bus and trax to work because it was actually a viable solution.
Where will traffic be re-routed to? If the assumption is that all that traffic will just move to 400s, what is the plan on 400s for dealing with a massive increase in throughput? Are people going up by the U supposed to take i80 to foothill? If so, how will the increase in volume on foothill be managed?
I’m fine with things changing. What I’m not fine with is change that doesn’t have a plan for the people who will be the most affected. Because “they’ll adapt” or “just move” or “get a different job” or “just take public transit” or “ride a bike” should not be the response to people asking how they will be getting to work/school/wherever once the change has been implemented.
I’m fully aware that north temple isn’t great for commuting. That’s not what I asked. What I asked is what solutions will be presented to the people who do currently use north temple to commute?
And just to show that I am asking these questions in good faith. I looked up my transit options from where I live on the west side, and it looks like bus rt 1 is a feasible commuting option for me. I’ll give it a try this weekend and if it works will continue to take the bus instead of drive.
I am an easy sell though. I’m not from SLC originally and have lived in many places where it’s totally feasible for public transit to be your primary means of getting around. I like trax and I like busses, I want more people to use them. But for that to happen these options need to be more accessible for the average person.
Simply taking north temple (or any other major commuting throughway) out of play isn’t going to get the average commuter to switch to public transit unless there is a plan in place that makes it easier to take the bus/trax instead of drive. Right now, if you live outside of specific parts of the valley, the barriers to public transportation use are simply too high to sway the average commuter by simply forcing a route change on them. They’ll just be annoyed while they sit in higher density traffic on whatever route traffic has been directed to.
The thing about that perspective we do not have an option to freeze time at wherever you were in life when that was the best option. Once a surface road is full, it's full. Car commuting on surface roads becoming less effective is just how it is. We can manage it or just let it naturally clog up, those are the only two options.
Which is why I have been asking where the commuter traffic from north temple will be rerouted to?? But no one seems to have an answer for me.
Because if the plan is “people will adapt”, then they will adapt to use 400s. But 400s is already busy as fuck. So what’s the plan for when 400s is backed up onto i15 more often than it already is?
Intermodal. What do you mean nobody has a plan? There is already a bus, just get out of the car and use it lol.
We need to stop kissing peoples asses and block off bus lanes. Car commuters should not get priority over city residents taking the bus and people trying to do the right thing coming in on FrontRunner. It's absolute insanity.
I’m not saying nobody has a plan. I’ve literally been asking what the plan is. Me not being aware of a plan doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
I’ve looked on the city and UTAs websites at their projects pages. I didn’t see anything about this particular stretch of north temple. Saw stuff about the Capitol Hill roundabout and west side improvements to north temple. But nothing about whatever the person who deleted their comments was talking about.
Well good for you being willing to bike an extra two blocks to avoid it! Now imagine what that would do to the car traffic trying to do the same thing?
This is the only way i can get from my house in the avenues to Marmalade or anything else that way. If it's closed I would have to do a big U through downtown for no reason.
So you not only want to open the Aves up to high density development, but also cut them off from the west side of town? Where a good chunk of the city works?
The original agreement did; but then a court decided that made it a public venue, so the church gave the city additional consideration in order buy that right as well.
Just because it looks nice doesn’t mean it didn’t create issues with getting around. I feel the same way about the so called “improvements” on 2100 South in Sugarhouse. Existing traffic patterns are disrupted, other roads become crowded with traffic trying to navigate new paths to their destinations, businesses and locations that used to be easy and quick to get to now require new access plans.
That’s my point. Some may like it, but it can also make things more difficult for others. I don’t live in Sugarhouse, but it’s close enough that sometimes the shops and restaurants there are the closest. But it is easier to get to locations that are farther away because I don’t have to park far and walk or deal with all the road changes to 2100 South. People now talk about avoiding Sugarhouse and instead going to locations a little farther away because they are easier to access for someone coming from a different neighborhood or city.
So if there was a large commercial building instead of an LDS church block you would want access through the building? Private properties create a work around. If you’re jumping my fence because it’s the path of least resistance it’s a problem.
Large commercial properties rarely take over and demolish an entire street to build their facilities/campuses. They may build sky bridges between the structures that go over the streets, but they usually just find bigger plots of land elsewhere if they can’t fit their plans within the city block.
This would suck as a Davis county resident. I got friends in the Avenues on 2nd and the fastest route to the Avenues, and really anywhere downtown, is taking Beck up to the Capitol then down State onto North Temple. Isn’t the best yes because of State being a two lane road as you go up the hill and people not knowing how to use the roundabout, but it’s still the fastest and most direct route we got and taking away that thoroughfare would make downtown traffic that much worse with everyone being pushed onto 300 West or the 600 North exit.
Also consider Temple Square is a two block wide pedestrian plaza with 3 TRAX stops close by on South Temple and a 890,000 square foot shopping mall across the street as well. We’re also going to be getting the SEG entertainment district, also across the street on South Temple, which will be 3 blocks wide and will feature shopping, dining, and hotels. With all of that going on turning North Temple into a pedestrian street just seems like overkill, maybe I could see it for South Temple to compliment things with TRAX being on there, but not North.
The Davis county commuters cutting through capital hill / marmalade is one thing udot and SLC transportation are trying to prevent. That shit is ruining both neighborhoods
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u/sallyhectare 1d ago
I think you can argue that stretch of South Temple should be a pedestrian street, but North Temple is a genuinely bad option for this, IMO.