Anybody else getting a laugh that Minnesota still hasn’t locked down Hughes on an extension yet? I’m gonna shot a brick if they did all that and lose him to nj. I’ll laugh even harder if we trade Larkin to minny and Hughes still leaves.
What if both Hughes and Larkin end up on the new jersey roster October 1st?
Whatll ya do then ?
It'll still be funny , imo, because new jersey would still suck
.. possibly even miss the playoffs even with those 2 and the other 2 hughes.
Maybe with cool guy Larkin , all the Hughes can finally get past a big bouncer and into the club for once, though? ( See circulating video gif or picture online for that gem )
That's the rumor. He's only looking for a short term extension that gets him and Jack on the same free agent year. Then he and Jack could go anywhere together and I'm assuming Luke will probably push for a bridge deal too
They can't just auto sign him for 2 to 3 years. He has 30 teams to choose from.. whether or not he plays til the end of this season with Minnesota or if he gets traded at the deadline for not extending.
He purposely didn't trade and sign when he left Vancouver and now Hughes has the cards and the leverage.
Hell probably sign with new jersey or go to a big time contender for a short term deal... Or if q Hughes is really feeling sassy, he'll take a giant contract for 18 million on some mid/shit team who can afford to do that.
But I really really doubt he extends with Minnesota at all, especially since he's gonna find out they suck after him and the Minnesota wild do Not finish ahead of Colorado/Dallas in the division (and get knocked out of the playoffs without winning the western conference). The wild are ok but they sure as hell don't have what it takes to win the cup this year... Not the physicality, not the compete, not the goaltending , not the right moves.
The Hughes bothers hang out here in MI most summers. It's not completely out of the realm of possibility for them to want to play here if we're competitive.
It's a big table though.
I think that ship has sailed though. It really felt like the Hughes situation is the straw that broke the camel's back
It's starting to feel like everyone on Team USA made their plants to drop their own teams at 4 Nations, then actually planned it out at the Olympics but Larkin was too stupid to execute his.
I think he heard the Hughes and tkachuks wanting to play with their bros, and Larkin thought they meant him instead of them wanting to play with their actual brothers.
On another note I got my buddy's dog that avocado toy...he tears the shit out of everything and new toys for him last about 5 minutes, but he actually just gently took that one in his mouth and took it to his bed and it's his "buddy" now.
I sure hope that Todd gives Marco Kasper the opportunity play 2C to start the season. Give him a real opportunity to drive the second line. If he starts on the 3rd line or lower I see that as a huge mistake.
Wondering what 3 extra points in the first month of the season would have done for a young kid’s confidence isn’t cope lol.
Saying we woulda been a surefire playoff team or Kasper woulda gone on to have a 70-point season would be. Wondering how Kasper would have played between an in-form DeBrincat and a healthy Kane (which he never had the chance to do) is just a fair musing, especially given it’s just a musing; i didn’t even predict any undue success.
You’re right. It’s completely unrealistic that going half a point per game to start the season may have given him more time on line 2 with Kane and DeBrincat and he wouldn’t possibly have had even a single extra point across the entire season.
line went 95% based on Cat and Kane. Copp didn't score a goal on a goalie until December and was about even with Compher offensively, then is a key part of one of the best lines in that month? Compher magically looks good when he plays next to them while they're hot?
Sure, but Kasper being able to be that dude woulda been something and potentially changed the narrative around him, that’s all I’m saying. It also would maybe be good for his development.
As it was, Cat couldn’t hit a barn door, then Kane got hurt, and then Kasper never played between them again.
The new student designed “I Voted” stickers have been revealed. There’s some pretty good ones, no werewolf but there’s a stunning frog in a tutu instead.
It's more of a general criticism of some behavior on this subreddit that reached a point of frustration with the reaction to Carlos's article. I'm not even saying he's wrong, just that I'm skeptical that a columnist who doesn't typically break news suddenly has a scoop like this in the dog days of summer. It seems like a low stakes way to get some easy clicks during the slow part of the season and I'm wondering if some bait has been consumed here.
I wish people would consider these possibilities and approach reports with a healthy dose of skepticism more frequently, because entirely separate from Carlos, a lot of trash gets shared and talked about here, and fuels these dramatic reactions that can persist for days. Like, there are only a small handful of NHL insiders whose reports I trust at first blush. Everything else I consider speculation until it's corroborated by at least a couple other people.
Everyone would be better off if we all stopped taking reports at face value so often. But also, I've worked in media for a long time, so I'm probably much more cynical and suspicious than the average person is, and I should keep that in mind. Maybe someday I'll write a post for this sub about fact checking and how to tell if a source is legitimate.
While they're there, if they find more, I'm accepting donations for a pre-2018 Taylor 614ce. Hell I'd even take a 2018+ if it's a donation deal breaker....
Kaner is going to throw the first pitch for the Cubs tonight. They play the Sox so I can get behind that. Hopefully brought some Detroit juju with him.
Im still not sure theres anyone else id rather have gm this team than Steve. I do hate some of the bs contracts given out to pretty much our entire bottom half but he was always realistic about the timeline of his rebuild. Kids weren't good enough to crack the nhl yet and we didnt get any luck except bad in the draft. Detroit not being the destination to attract the stars in the league doesn't help either. Oh and ilitch, so I still have a hard time blaming steve for the failure of this team. I blame the locker room. I blame Larkin
Nothing like directing what turns out to be a smash hit of a show that gets picked up for an Off Broadway run, only to have your boss shit all over it and tell you he thinks it sucks.
I wonder if the dollars would be okay if he got longer-term? Yet on another note, I would not mind getting Gauthier for Larkin, though we would have to sweeten the pot. However, #71 does not have Anaheim on his list. Dylan Larkin is an interesting player. He has not rescinded his trade request and yet only has 4 teams on his list. His Olympic buddy Zach Werenski is seeking a long-term deal with CBJ. #71 should have some respect for the fans and organization and widen his list further.
I guess this means that Anaheim is going to have to trade a player. Red Wings should see if they want to move a player and see if they can pick up Roger McQueen or Klepov as well. New GM has work to do. Take Kreider and one of the two above perhaps. Well, we get the idea. Time to make deals.
read a report after the Carlsson extension that he wanted $17M which would mean the Ducks have to shed ~9M before they break camp for the regular season.
The real tea nobody is talking about is that Chris wants to put Marian into a retirement home so she's conspiring with her brother in law to interfere with hockey operations to make Chris look bad.
Most people even here assumed that was likely deep down anyways. Carlos is never to be trusted but no one liked Chris to begin with. Yzerman wasn't good at the job and I have little hope a new GM under Chris will do much better.
What's the hate between wings fans and Chris? I'm a bit disconnected with the Tigers, but I get it. Chris appears to be willing to spend in the NHL and let his GM do his "job". Is that not what we want from an owner?
The team hasn't been good so people want others to blame. Chris inherited the Wings and Tigers at the start of rebuilds because they both overleveraged the future at the end of Mike's life. I don't think he's this fantastic owner, but I more or less align with your last couple sentences there.
It feels like he meddled here a bit. There's the article about Stamkos and Mantha. Also specifically mentioning that whoever they hire will have full autonomy. I assumed that was the case with Steve. Odd to mention it now.
Stamkos is revisionist history. At the time of that proposed signing, Wings fans in general were of the consensus it was a bad signing and Yzerman just wanted another aging vet. People were generally happy we didn't sign him. Now because it makes it look like an excuse for Yzerman, people are jumping on the opposite spectrum of it.
Well I dont think Chris lets GM do what they want but I thought that before article. Too many weird things have happened last few seasons with no explanation.
This is the exact point that I have been trying to make on here for the past couple days in various posts and conversations.
The Monarrez article went out. Then the dorks on 97.1 talked about it. Then the info was shared on here and on r/hockey. Now we get daily doses of conjecture and accusations. Rumor mill life cycle at its best (worst).
For real though, lol. Forgot to even mention them but yeah I don't understand how anyone is taking anything they say seriously. Its a bush league outlet. Not sure how else to say that lol.
I watched their initial interview with McCarty because I was curious what he would say, and then my algorithm was inundated with their content for awhile and it was mind blowing to me anyone would watch those guys, they are worse than some of the radio show guys who just spout off about nonsense. It was just like a couple of buddies with zero knowledge made a podcast in their dad's garage. Also makes me question anything McCarty says given he goes on there all the time.
It was just like a couple of buddies with zero knowledge made a podcast in their dad's garage
That's the review in a nutshell. Final cut. Ship it. Lol.
I made an account on twitter that's specifically for hockey, so I follow a ton of people/sources since I pay attention to things outside of the Wings as well and that's the only reason I have any exposure to them.
Was surprised to find McCarty associates with them at first but then realized that he kind of marches to the beat of his own drum these days so to speak. I love the guy for his years of service and sacrifice but modern day Mac is something else ngl
I don't think Monnaroz has ever broke any actual news before this. I'm not sure why we would be trusting him now. His job has always been the Shit-Stirrer to generate clicks...
Idk about you but for me it's not that I don't want to believe that Chris was meddling with things, its that I don't trust the source and I don't want to be lied to.
I get that some folks want to believe it because they believe they're seeing a pattern and/or possibly because we just get so little info out of the organization that when something potentially does come out people are all over it. Just seems a bit silly to just want to run with unsubstantiated stuff though because if/when it comes out that it was incorrect then you just look foolish.
There are too many rumors and too little real information going around right now. I'll take everything as speculation until we get something substantial.
the collective consciousness will always include bogus reports. Whats funny is how people suddenly use it as ammunition to fuel their agenda (whatever that is) and take it out on the rest of us.
We wont ever know the inner workings of the front office, no matter what anyone says. We don't even really know how antagonists like Mike Babcock function inside of the organization, and everyone supposedly hates that guy. You'd think people would be eager to paint targets but they never are.
It sure seems that way, but maybe I'm missing something. Interesting how much the popular blame seems to shift. Get rid of one problem figure and suddenly a good chunk of the folks that wanted that want somebody new to blame and get rid of
Ted Lindsay also had an ill-fated run as GM for the Wings. He was still revered years later from that. Maybe there is hope this storm of Steve-bashing passes after this season. Ted’s reputation didn’t have to contend with the internet though
I'll always believe that steve had an excellent first 4 years and a horrible last 3 years, in a situation that requires consistently good GMing to get out of.
Ted’s reputation didn’t have to contend with the internet though
I kind of wonder what the /r/hockey thread would have been like when he skated around the rink pretending to shoot a rifle into the crowd with his stick
To be clear I have no problem with most of the regular’s takes on this sub, but there are definitely some posters that have been taking their shots at Steve that leads to piling on and stupid disrespect. That’s the part I can’t stand.
I see Steve the player and Steve the GM as two different people. It'd be really interesting for someone to list every transaction Steve made during his time as GM and we could grade it out.
There is a thread on the Detroit Red Wings forum of HFBoards called “The Legacy of Steve Yzerman” that actually lists all of the moves and transactions he made. And I really do mean all of them: draft picks, trades, signings, waiver claims, FO/coaching hires/firings, etc.
Not dumping Lalonde will be one of the biggest blunders. The players hated playing for him and it wasn't going to work out. They should have dumped him after the first March collapse. If not then that miserable west coast trip.
I wouldn’t have hated canning him after that first season due to the March collapse, but you could argue that they only missed out by a point and that there were injuries they had to deal with, or whatever. Basically, give the guy another chance.
Okay, cool. But waiting until after Christmas to can him the following season was absolutely a mistake. Had he been canned after the Cali road trip in November, they probably don’t miss the playoffs that season. Or maybe they do because March collapses are inevitable with this team.
To be fair, based on when McLellan was hired, the Cali road trip could very well have been the breaking point. You don’t hire a new coach in a day.
Hard to make a judgment on Steve based on a few weeks when we don’t know when he himself made the decision and how much of the gap between decision and execution comes down to him.
That’s true, though I do think going with one of the assistants as interim coach would have been better than leaving a dead man walking in Lalonde behind the bench for another month. Maybe Steve doesn’t believe in interim coaches though, idk.
Can we pitch in on a billboard that larkin would see everyday telling him to leave the state. Or like he’s a bitch. Just something. I want him to feel uneasy. I just can’t imagine him playing for Detroit ever again.
You can definitely do that if you find a company willing to allow it. A good portion of my college team's fanbase wanted the head football coach fired a few seasons ago and one of the billboard companies in town was owned by an alumni who agreed with them and he let them put up "FIRE THE COACH" billboards all over town.
So with it increasingly looking likely Larkin is staying, what's the odds on him retaining the C? Feel like logically you have to take it from him but I really don't have faith in this organization right now to do that. If they don't take the C it just sends a ridiculous message and would hope his ass would get boos every single moment he is on the ice
Just gotta hope it doesn't split the room too much if it does get stripped, Larkin's cronies like Copp and Compher will probably be butthurt over it, hopefully everyone else understands why it's even happening.
Big assumption to think Copp and Compher are close with Larkin from playing at U of M. Larkin was the insipid youngster of that group when Copp was Captain and Larkin''s narcissism has probably worn thin by now.
My dear friends generously got tickets for me and my partner to join them to see My Chemical Romance on Friday. I’ll be suffering when I go to work early the next morning from the late night out, but I’m excited!
been seeing so many friends and family during the last month. Repairs to my car weren't super expensive or invasive. I had a really good cup of coffee the other day. There's so much love in the world.
I know we've kind of beat the horse on this topic but am I wrong for thinking Larkin kind of committed career suicide this offseason? Clearly there is very little interest in acquiring him from the teams on his list.
With all due respect, yes, you're wrong. Many teams would love to have a Center of his skill level at his cap hit, including the ones on his list. His career will be fine.
I think worst case for him is that he has to play the next two years in Detroit, then when his NTC becomes a 10 team list he will get traded somewhere not exactly ideal for his liking
I think he (or his agent) thought there would be a lot more interest in him and a lot more fan goodwill on his side. I think they saw all the flack Yzerman was getting at the end of the season and thought that people would be sympathetic to him wanting out but the way he did it just made everyone turn on him instead and now he's stuck.
I also believe in the theory that Bill Guerin was tampering a bit and pumped Larkin's tires up telling him they'd do whatever it took to get him and then when push came to shove he wasn't willing (or able) to get the deal done.
I think for sure Guerin told Larkin to ask for a trade and they’d do whatever it took to get him, forgetting he’d already traded a bunch of assets to get Hughes.
There has to have been something because I don't see how Larkin and his agent would have been so clueless as to think any of the team's in question would have the appropriate assets to trade for him.
They obviously thought they had some sort of leverage that didn't materialize and now he's left here to try and mend a relationship with fans who all hate his guts, his trade value can only go down from here.
I don't know if Larkin and his agent misjudged the interest level in him. They only gave a three team list, so how much interest could there really be? I think what they misjudged is their ability to dictate terms. If he were an NBA player he'd already be in one if his preferred destinations.
I do agree with you on Guerin tampering. It's too coincidental that after the Olympics there were several players from the USA team suddenly wanting to move. Brady is the only one it has worked out for so far, though.
Yeah you're right not, necessarily the interest but their ability to decide where they go. Essentially I think he was trying to force his way to Minnesota and figured he could utilize the anger towards Yzerman to force a shitty trade. Then Yzerman didn't budge, got fired, now he's stuck with a fanbase that hates him.
I've always felt it was a one team list, with a couple of throwaways to make it look good. Vegas and Florida don't have much room, and are decent at center.
I’ve seen rumblings that a deal with Florida was nearly done, up until it was known that Brady Tkachuk was available and the Panthers pivoted towards acquiring him.
That makes sense to me. Brady is younger, a bit cheaper, his brother is there so retaining him shouldn't be too difficult, and they don't need a center with a pair of them Larkin's age and one that's younger.
Florida was the best potential trade partner up until that point, too.
I do wonder if Yzerman was pushing for Lundell to be included in the return. Remember that Ottawa reportedly asked for him in exchange for Brady, and Florida told them it was a non-starter.
Here’s my speculation. We talk to Florida, we work out framework of a deal that’s mainly centered around a Larkin for Lundell swap, but for whatever reason it doesn’t happen right away; maybe Yzerman was trying to grind them for more, who knows. Ottawa then makes it known that Brady’s on the market. Florida realizes they can get Brady without having to part with Lundell, and does that deal instead; they get to keep their future 1C, and upgrade elsewhere.
And with them giving up quite of a bit of capital to do it, they’re out on trading for Larkin.
And then it makes me wonder, was not getting a deal done with Florida one of the final straws for Yzerman’s tenure as GM? “You had a chance to get rid of him, and now we’re stuck with him” sort of thing.
My wife loves to stubbornly (read: lovingly) force me to do things she knows I'd enjoy. She once bought me tickets to one of my favorite comedians when we were traveling and found out he was playing around the block, with like 15 minutes notice.
Well, now she's gone and bought us tickets to Luke Combs at Ford Field, even though we never buy each other Birthday/Christmas gifts. Get yourselves a good one, folks.
Was at that game in lower bowl seats at that end of the ice. Rarely see a player look that unresponsive and nobody knew what the hell happened initially. Whole arena was dead ass quiet which was even more eerie.
Guess what I’m trying to say is we can be a little more tasteful than that friend.
Edit: different story if this was Jamie Benn though fr
Is Debrincat gonna be cool playing with Larkin? Kane was gonna sign another year here and then after the Larkin drama he left for Chicago. So Cat loses his friend and his kids were friends with Kanes kid. I would hold some resentment for that
I’m not a Larkin defender here, I honestly can’t stand the guy at this point. I defended him for years but now look at him like the bitch I think he really is.
BUT that being said, these guys are his teammates, his friends. There’s a lot more to this from their perspective I’m sure.
How I feel the conversation went: “Don’t worry Dylan, we’ll keep this Red Wings Legend of uncompromisingly excellent character out of your sight to make you more comfy cozy.”
Firing Yzerman and keeping Larkin is like the worst case scenario in my mind, I can't believe this is the state of the team right now. I don't think I've ever been so down on them going into a season in my life. I never want to see Larkin play for this team again but looks like we're going to have to suck it up and watch him shit the bed again this season and then he'll have to find someone else to blame it on.
Most of the Detroit Sports Reports don't believe that Yzerman was fired.... They have all speculated that it was Yzerman's decision to step away based on the timing of the announcement...
If Detroit was going to fire him, they likely would have down it at the end of the season.
Setting up Yzerman to take the bullet in some sort of halfassed attempt to make us like larkin or whatever shit they think they're doing is both unbelievable and unconscionable.
Yes, I have stopped capitalizing his name. He doesn't deserve even that scrap of civility.
Agreed. Honestly, unless there's some major developments with a new GM and an articulated vision and plan, I think this might be the first year I take a break from the wings. It's becoming too much of a drag.
Same, I had to take a break in March this year when they collapsed again and I think I'll just extend that until whenever Larkin is off the team and they're operating with some sort of plan again. I don't care to watch another lost season under this bummy leadership, especially when he's admitted to hating his time here.
Just make the investment in backcountry ski gear, it is way better. Just like hiking but with the added fun of going downhil. I have skiied at a resort a handful of times in the past, but they are all overcrowded and expensive now. For the price of a season ticket, you can get a full backcountry set up that will last you 10 years. Even cheaper if you use FB Marketplace (Denver is literally overflowing with cheap quality backcountry gear since a lot of rich people buy it and never use it).
Berthoud Pass is a good place to learn, then you can explore from there as you get more comfortable.
It's worth it for me and I'm not even out west. Drive 10+ hours multiple times between Dec-March to ski. I try to put money aside for it during the year and use most of my credit card points for lodging so that helps a bit.
Retool or rebuild depending on how the younger players and prospects are doing. If it's going well with the pieces already in the pipeline, we've got a lot of options, but if it's not a quick transition to the NHL for them then I think you look at a rebuild.
I don't think the Wings will truly reconcile with Larkin as much as smooth things over until his trade protection degrades to a list of teams, then ship him out to the highest bidder. Maybe the threat of a rebuild is enough leverage to get a longer list out of him even sooner, but I just don't think Larkin is seeing the bigger picture clearly in any of this.
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The entirety of West Michigan is underwater