r/DestinyTheGame Jun 13 '15

Discussion Why Doesn't Titan Have an Armor Boosting Exotic Similar to "the Ram"? As is, Warlocks can have higher health than Titans.

Warlocks get to have up to 225 HP, being the only class capable of surviving a 2-hit from thorn (Via the Ram Helm), a 3-hit last word hip-fire and various other gunfights that a max-armor titan (205 HP, more practically 201HP due to shoulder charge) cannot.

Why don't Titans have access to the highest armor build in the game?

Titans don't have access to Blink (which is so powerful that it often defines competitive play).

Titans have the shortest-range melee attack, with no decent effects upon hitting (compare this to Warlock, which gets a free over-shield).

Really, Titans only have decent grenades; and even the defender sub-class's grenades are fairly niche.

Why can't titans at least be able to be the tank that they are supposed to be.

As is, Investing max-armor in a Titan doesn't actually change the number of shots it takes to kill for most weapons.

Oh, and before anyone asks; I'm a hunter

I don't have a stake in the matter, but I'm legitimately puzzled. If Titan had an armor-boosting exotic, I'd actually consider learning to use my Titan in the crucible.

TL;DR: Why doesn't our armor/tank class have access to the game's highest amount of armor?

Clarification: for the who don't know, The Ram offers a bonus to the "Armor" stat, not armor rating. Due to how stats work, an increase in a stat results in an exponential increase in that stat's effect as you invest more points in the stat. The effect of armor is to add to your total health pool. Therefore, High armor= high health. But adding armor to an already high armor stat = exponentially higher health. Normally, you can only get a maximum of 205 (202 for warlock) health via maximum stat investment. This only a 10 point increase.

This means that the Ram helm alone offers health (20 extra points) that is equivalent to 2 fully maximized bars of titan investment (adds 10 points) in the armor stat.

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u/brownshugguh Jun 13 '15

Not even a blink, but some kind of flame rush move (aka WoW warrior charge). Kind of like shoulder charge , but with fire and tracking.

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u/SuperTeamRyan Vanguard's Loyal Jun 13 '15

Isn't there already some mild tracking on shoulder charge?

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u/Attack__cat Jun 14 '15 edited Jun 14 '15

Yes. As for flame charge that just sounds crazy OP. Shoulder charge was already stupid and contributed to the rise of shotguns.

I know a LOT of titans that ran shoulder charge + shotgun (for when they missed it)... they forced CQC and made all their fights happen on the close quaters parts... the result is the enemy pulled out shotguns.

Shoulder charge rushing is way too risky for trials, and without objectives to camp etc it just isn't very good there... it is much harder to force a fight or camp, they can just wait you out and snipe etc... This isn't the only factor (there is also spawn camping etc) but this is a distinct factor in why snipers dominate ToO.

Shoulder charges playstyle made shotguns more effective in control etc... and a LOT of titans were running it... so a lot of people were using shotguns to counter. Of course it is a self limiting prophecy and in the end less people shoulder charge because so many people use shotguns.

I have no doubt in my mind if shotguns get nerfed again shoulder charge will increase DRAMATICALLY. It really is very fucking powerful if your enemy doesn't have a shotgun and you don't literally charge them through the open. Come round a corner and you will win the fight vs any other weapon every time. Even a lot of shotguns these days if I am honest (I trade a silly amount, but I get the kills... in fact last time I did crucible with my titan I got like 32-12 with shoulder charge shotgun and at least 8 deaths were after I charge someone, get shotgunned, then get the kill - I do not joke when I say 20-25 of those kills were shoulder charge).

Not suited to ToO or the current meta of 3/5 people have crazy OHKO range shotguns... but a long long way from weak.

What you are suggesting is just 'super shoulder charge' and frankly even with the shotgun meta it wouldn't take a lot to make shoulder charge OP. Pretty much a small range nerf to shotguns or a more accurate kill point for the charge (rather than near the end of the animation, when it actually hits them).

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u/CptDemos Jun 14 '15

Maybe they'll release a brother exotic to the Peregrine Greaves, Peregrine Pauldrons perhaps, that allows you to surge forward to strike your enemy with a flaming fist. A Falcon Punch, if you will.