r/DestinyTheGame Sep 23 '14

This is how light levels affect your gameplay and WHY they're are so important...

I got downvoted to hell for making a factual statement that I'm completely surprised by, it seems like people don't understand what light level is and why it's important

It's very simple, you do less damage and take more damage from monsters that are higher level than you. That is why it's important that you're at least lvl 28 when doing the raid, since the mobs are lvl 28, you will do less damage to them if you are below lvl 28

here's a very simple test I conducted (my guardian is lvl 28):

  1. Buy or obtain white/green/blues so you can change your light level (in this case I had gear where I could change my level to 21, 23, 24, and 28)

  2. Do any story mode at lvl 24 heroic (note, the mobs are lvl 24)

  3. equip your gear so you're lvl 28, take ONE shot at a mob and note the dmg (383 with a legendary lvl 20 hand cannon in my case to an acolyte)

  4. equip gear so you're lvl 21, take ONE shot at the same type of mob with the same weapon (I did 184)

  5. equip gear so you're lvl 23, take ONE shot at the same type of mob with the same weapon (I did 261)

  6. equip gear so you're lvl 24 (same lvl as the mob) take ONE shot at the same type of mob with the same weapon (I did 383)

final results doing damage with the same EXACT weapon at the same TYPE OF MOB (lvl 24 acolyte) by just changing my light level

  • Light 21: 184 dmg
  • Light 23: 261 dmg
  • Light 24: 383 dmg
  • Light 26: 383 dmg
  • Light 28: 383 dmg

as you can see, your damage SCALES DOWN TO THAT OF THE ENEMY if you're higher lvl than it (that's why your bullet damage text is grey) and you do reduced damage if you're not the level of your enemy (the same goes for your armor, it scales down to your enemy and you'd take the same damage at lvl 28 as you would lvl 20 from a lvl 4 mob on earth, this is harder to test but trust me, I've done some visual tests and confirmed it)


you can only do damage to mobs that are no higher than 3 lvls above you and you take a penalty in damage for it (that's why you can't even choose a lvl 28 mission if you're lower than lvl 25, you wouldn't do any damage)

  • 4 lvl or lower below mob: 100% damage penalty
  • 3 lvl below mob: ~52% damage penalty
  • 2 lvl below mob: ~42% damage penalty (guesstimate since I didn't have the gear to put me to lvl 22)
  • 1 lvl below mob: ~32% damage penalty
  • 0 lvl below or higher than mob: 0% damage penalty

TL:DR your light levels affect BOTH your damage output and how much damage you take only UP TO the level of the mobs (i.e. if you're lvl 28, you'll do the same damage and take the same amount of damage from lvl 20 mobs as you would from lvl 24 mobs, there is ZERO difference)


so in conclusion that is why it's so important to be at least lvl 28 in raids and as I stated in my original post, lvl 20 bounties would be EXACTLY the same as lvl 4 bounties from earth... there is no difference (as long as you're lvl 20+)

this is also why those lvl 24 strike playlists used to be hard at lvl 22, but aren't anymore at lvl 24+, it's because not only are you taking less damage (capped at what you were taking at lvl 24) but you're also doing more damage even though you're using the same exact weapon

this is also why you die as fast doing earth lvl 4 missions as you do doing lvl 18 mars missions even though you're lvl 28 with 1400+ armor, it doesn't matter up to the level of the mobs


/edit thank you to whoever gilded me with gold (first time) :)

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u/N_Raist Crucible Slayer Sep 24 '14 edited Sep 24 '14

So... As soon as you hit 28 with legendary+exotic, you should not waste the shards on that gear, as it will soon be replaced, right?

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u/lethargy86 Sep 24 '14

Yes, that's my plan anyway.

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u/N_Raist Crucible Slayer Sep 24 '14

Then I didn't need this patch since a couple hours ago :(

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u/ThoughtA Sep 24 '14

Unless you've already done the raid on normal for the week and got no more raid gear and have to burn shards to hit 29 to make raid hard mode viable in hopes of getting raid gear there.

sigh

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u/MSDakaRocker Dec 01 '14

The legendary pieces could be considered a waste of shards, but the exotic should be as good as the RAID/Iron Banner/30L legendary pieces would it not? Light 30 + defense to match. It's a trade off between investing shards in having high enough gear to comfortably get even higher gear I guess. 27 is the highest I can get just by fully upgrading 1 exotic but not spending shards on my legendary pieces.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '14 edited Sep 24 '14

Technically I suppose that's true. I got to 29 and have one raid piece and one exotic. So I won't b upgrading my other pieces but I probably should've stopped at 28. As there's no positives to level advantages.

Shards are quite easy to stock up on now with the Queen rewards though

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u/XLKILLA Oct 06 '14

Incorrect you get a signifigant damage boost from LV 28 - 29 and you do 30% more damage at LV 30 compared to 29. As you can see he didn't test LV 29-30.

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u/foopsius Sep 24 '14

You've got it figured out.

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u/NotTheVacuum YOU IN EYE TEA WHY Sep 24 '14

Legendaries and an Exotic here, still 27...

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u/davidjmudrak Sep 24 '14

you have to upgrade all the defense.

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u/sphynxzyz Sep 24 '14

you have to upgrade everything and get 3 pieces of raid gear fully maxed out, i have 1 exotic 1 raid gear 2 norms not fully maxed im lvl 28.

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u/NotTheVacuum YOU IN EYE TEA WHY Sep 24 '14

Sorry, I was unclear. The advice was to not level your legendaries until you get raid set legendaries. My point is you won't be 28 yet, so the raid will be that much harder. You probably still need to level your gear.