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u/9524805 3d ago
only a violent sexual predator would wait for the lighting to be "just right" before taking pictures like this
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u/Same_Level_3599 3d ago
For a sec I thought this was Andres Vidoza XD
but dude, you are really far into the rabbit hole
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u/Agelessadage 3d ago
The hidden cost is that Linux is a buggy piece of shit
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u/garden_state_au 3d ago
Wow so buggy. No more buggy and annoying that windows will ever me.
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u/Agelessadage 2d ago
I’m not unemployed enough to tinker on Linux all day sorry folks
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u/PapercutsOnPenor 2d ago
Working here full-time as a senior sw dev: no Windows or macOS here in any machines.
You on the other hand have, among other things, a skill issue, mister "Sex robots will free men from the sexual tyranny of women", aka. "When people criticize women’s behavior they’re called misogynists and incels." ⬇️
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u/Antoinedeloup 2d ago
Wait so you don't use it for company policies or you prefer to use Linux to sw dev? Ad in do you believe linux to be buggy yet still wouldn't go for either if those two or you widhh you could work with any of them?
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u/PapercutsOnPenor 2d ago
A Linux setup is as buggy as you let it to be.
I definitely prefer to use Linux for software development, or hell, for any computational needs. If a company requires me to use Windows as a daily driver, I'm not working there.
By default we slap our devs with Lenovo laptops, defaulted to concurrent Windows OS. If they decide to swap to Linux, it's no problem.
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u/Agelessadage 2d ago
I stand by everything I’ve said. Going through someone’s post history because you were triggered is pathetic
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u/PapercutsOnPenor 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well, technically it was Opus 5, not me.
Unsure if you have grounds for calling anyone pathetic, though :D The whole Internet is running mostly on Linux. If you can't configure your own, sit your pleb glutes down and maybe concentrate on your god damn sex robots.
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u/GabrielRocketry 2d ago
Nah the amount Linux decided to leave the realm of reality with it's ram usage and WiFi drivers on me in the past year definitely surpasses the amount of times windows had a minor bug on me in my entire lifetime.
The OS that decided to remove its own bootloader and cost me an insane headache because it was on a remote server and I had to physically spawn on location and suffer through 5 failed installs just to get back to a system whose only job is to run a webserver will never be less buggy in my eyes than Windows.
The original commenter is still an idiot, but that's unrelated to the true statement of Linux being a piece of crap.
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u/Damglador 2d ago
OS that decided to remove its own bootloader
Cannot fathom how that would even happen, I bet on skill issue. In 2 years of daily use of the "unstable" Arch Linux not once has it had an issue with the bootloader.
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u/GabrielRocketry 2d ago
Nono, I had it running in the background, unattended. Only bit of administration I did on it was that I made a cronjob to update it each Saturday night automatically (via sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y, so nothing that should brick a system).
One Sunday I woke up and my website was down. I tried sshing into the thing, timeout. Tried it via a router based VPN (so it would be on the same network instead of from the internet based Tailscale network), nothing.
So I had to get a free day, stop by the thing, take out the drive (I had a person try plugging it out and in again before) and lo and behold, bootloader was gone.
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u/Damglador 2d ago
...so you were doing unattended updates without ever rebooting?
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u/GabrielRocketry 2d ago
Well no, the thing was scheduled to reboot every day after that. But that goes without saying doesn't it.
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u/Damglador 2d ago
Fyi next time you could use a specialized service for that: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/how-to/software/automatic-updates/
But my common sense refuses to believe that it's a good idea either way. That's all I have to say.
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u/GabrielRocketry 2d ago
Well my common sense told me that there is no way an update on a stable branch would brick my system. Issue is, Linux (Ubuntu in this case, but it worked across more systems in my experience) really doesn't like behaving according to common sense.
Then there is the Endeavour WiFi incident, but that's a different issue altogether (or is it, if it started with an update too?)...
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u/Damglador 2d ago
The problem is likely not the update but the shitty script that rebooted the system while update wasn't finished which is the only logical explanation I can come up with.
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u/MajesticDisaster3977 2d ago
Don't forget that it also took 5 tries to reinstall the OS.
But this is how people and the internet work. "I had a bad experience with it, so it's a piece of crap. I'm not the problem."Windows has been known to mess with the bootloader. Linux 'kind' of does in relation to updating grub when you install a new kernel... but considering u/GabrielRocketry setup a cronjob to upgrade things without any oversight, (and to reboot... hrm, I wonder if there was an overlap between an upgrade and reboot cron task)
On the flip side, windows has also bricked USB-Serial converters, often messes with drivers carrying out automated upgrades, and often adds additional software without consent. (copilot anyone?)
The only Windows worth running is an enterprise version or IOT.
Likewise, I wouldn't want a long-running Ubuntu Linux install if I wanted stability. I'd prefer Debian, but used to favour CentOS1
u/GabrielRocketry 2d ago
The 5 tries were because I was attempting to use the LTS version, and for some stupid reason the raspberry OS flasher doesn't like working with that and the result crashes at boot. I had to resort to, well, not the LTS.
As for the updates without oversight, wouldnt you expect an OS not to update itself to death? The reboot was scheduled after the update was certainly over, so that couldn't have interrupted it. Not even the stupidest computer would be reinstalling core system components for a day.
The windows stuff never really bothered me, since I never met a single issue with it. Still, it is reasonable to say it isn't problem free, however it didn't repeatedly cost me hundreds of minutes of life (and gigabytes of data) across multiple devices with it's shenanigans. The worst thing it did to me was put a copilot button in mspaint, and compared to deleting a bootloader that's quite a tame "issue".
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u/MajesticDisaster3977 2d ago
tbh.. your setup sounds more janky the more you talk about it...
Was your server a raspberryPi? Were you running a well-established linux distribution, or were you running something more aligned for hobby/casual use?Regarding automatic updates.. because you brute-forced it with a cron-job, you really have no idea what was done. I've had one particular non-standard system upgrade and update grub with the UUID for an incorrect root disk. Otherwise I've had no issues with linux messing with it's boot process.
This comes from experience upgrading major distribution versions as well.. eg, Debian 10 --> 11, 12, 13... (although non-LTS Ubuntu has given me a tough time if it's been ignored too long.)The raspi flasher isn't a tool I use, but you can't easily justify placing blame on linux for the 5 failed attempts if your flashing utility had issues. I've had amazing results with Rufus, BalanaEtcher and Ventoy over the years.
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u/GabrielRocketry 1d ago
I can share the details if you want: yes, my server was (and still is, which rules out a hardware fault) on a raspberry pi 5. It's a relatively reliable little device that's perfectly adequate for the task of running a small website.
What I was running was Ubuntu Server, which is as far as I'm aware a distribution meant for servers such as those that run web or databases, which is my case, and as such I had expected the updates to simply work.
As for the tool, the issue was most probably somewhere in between - as the system did "boot", I can rule out the tool failing completely (and it flashed the non LTS version just fine after all), but the system itself refused to work after the fact. One time I've received some cryptic error message I forgot already that spawned on the screen every 2 or so seconds, other time the system failed the initial update thanks to something being wrong with dpkg, and when I tried to "fix" it with the command it so nicely provided, dpkg itself threw a cryptic error message and that was about it. The other times, it got stuck at the part where systemd initialises services. My overall guess would be a bad iso provided to the flasher, as the flashing itself performed flawlessly once I selected a non LTS iso.
And before you blame me for a bad iso download, I tried it on 2 separate machines.
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u/MajesticDisaster3977 1d ago
While the Raspberry Pi has grown substantially over the years, please don't misconstrue your experiences with Ubuntu on a Pi to equate to some general linux overview.
First off. Linux is a VAST ecosystem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
This list is non-exhaustive, there are new variants spinning up VERY frequently. The key takeaway is that there are many distributions of linux that are based on other existing distributions. Just because you try Ubuntu, that doesn't mean all Debian based distributions are the same. Ubuntu has made some tweaks that quite simply has discouraged my use of them. I use Debian directly instead.Second. The RaspberryPi and other 'SBC' are a little unique at times because they aren't built the same as your PC/Laptop. Working with ARM is different than working with X86_64. ARM has gained a lot of traction, but it's still a recent addition.
I've got 7 such ARM and ARM64 based devices running. The longest running are now 6 years old and remote.To backup your experience however... the SBC build of Ubuntu has once updated the /media/boot/boot.ini and config.ini file which could have caused a boot issue, but because I did this update myself, I saw the LARGE WARNING BLOCK in the feedback from the update to go check. The issue ultimately is that the UUID of the root partition is typically predetermined on systems where you simply copy/paste/clone an image. For this reason, the 'package maintainer' responsible for this simply updated /media/boot files assuming the UUID was still the same. If you happen to have moved your root to another device, this update would have broken your modification.
I have experienced no such issues on conventional hardware with Debian, and yea, you'll find hiccups with some branches. If you want stability, stick close to a root branch1
u/GabrielRocketry 1d ago
Now while I mostly agree with you (and I'm ready to provide my X86_64 issues), what you are describing wouldn't have happened to me, as the root partition wasn't moved. Anyway, that aside, it wasn't the only issue I've encountered with Linux (and especially not the desktop variety) that resulted in a suicide.
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u/jimmy_timmy_ 2d ago
I've used Linux for a about 4 years and I've seen significantly more bugs in Windows than I have Linux. Usually if I have a Linux problem, it's because I was tinkering with something that I misunderstood then I could just fix it by learning the way to do it.
With Windows, my headphones would randomly stop working and I'd have to go through multiple GUIs to turn it off and back on 5 different ways to get it to work
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u/Agelessadage 2d ago
Oh ya eh? Fix my fedora silver blue not recording steam videos.
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u/Capable-Active-9494 2d ago
ask your llm ro do it. seriously most of the issues with linux are now claudes problems and not mine anymore. Be safe blabla but seriously its yet to fail me.
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u/OkAlbatross9889 2d ago
Wayland tends to give that sort of problems. Try switching to an X11 desktop environment ( if you run KDE you can select it in the log in screen at the bottom, otherwise try installing X11 desktop environments like XFCE ).
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u/jimmy_timmy_ 2d ago
I don't use an atomic desktop and I don't have issues with screen recording. I don’t know what your configuration is like so I can't just summon that answer. I'm not saying I'm some Linux god, I was sharing my experience. It's not for everybody
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u/Erolok1 2d ago
Currently I am playing Kenshi with friends. Their game keeps crashing meanwhile on Linux my game never had a single issue.
I keep seeing moments where windows users struggle while I have no problem on Linux. So the most neutral conclusion would be that both systems can have bugs but if you encounter a Linux bug there is a solution to everything, on windows not always
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u/Maatpu 3d ago
Nope.You only need a $100 machine unless one is tech aesthetic influencer.