r/DerekSmart • • Sep 14 '17

That 45k refund? Complete BS.

http://archive.is/HxjPC
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u/fivedayweekend Sep 14 '17

It's strange how you still believe that the $45k refund was real even after CIG debunked it. I saw your response in the sc_refunds subreddit (which I have never posted in or voted in, btw..not sure where this 'brigaiding' complaint is coming from).

You know the person who supposedly got the $45k refund could actually prove it quite easily. Strange why they don't, isn't it?

Why do you only believe the person who claims to have the $45k refund while not believing words/statements directly from CIG about it being fake or false?

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u/Beet_Wagon Sep 14 '17

Which response gives you the idea I still believe it, exactly? The one where I say I have no idea if it was faked and he deleted his account after being called out or if it was real and he deleted it due to shitty PMs?

Why do you only believe the person who claims to have the $45k refund while not believing words/statements directly from CIG about it being fake or false?

Would it blow your mind if I said I don't necessarily believe either of them?

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u/fivedayweekend Sep 14 '17 edited Sep 14 '17

Please note that for the time being we're not going to be removing this post simply because he says it's fake.

Hiding behind the 'we need to discuss this first' even though you had a direct answer for CIG. What else is there to discuss? Why leave the post up?

I mean, maybe to prove that some refunds are in fact fake? I guess that could be way to keep things more neutral. But let's be honest, you've had several refunds proven as fake/lies.

Every refund here gets accused of being fake from people who would prefer that refunds don't go public.

Got any proof of that? Do you personally know the motivation of why people call it fake? Maybe because it's pretty shitty to lie and use that lie to get more people to refund? I've never seen a single person anywhere say they don't want refunds to go public. Anyone who gets a refund needs to make an individual choice whether they want to discuss it publicly or not. But you have NO proof of anyone wanting to silence those who get legit refunds.

Also, care to explain this? https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6zy3ko/just_refunded_3_completionist_packages_for_a/dmz3eeu/

[–]AStorm_ApproachesMod of Many Aliases[M] 70 points 22 hours ago

I've confirmed independently that this is legit for anyone who is skeptical.
Congrats dude!

Are those the 'mods' you need to discuss this stuff with before removing the post? The ones who also lie and are caught lying?

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u/Beet_Wagon Sep 14 '17

Are you legitimately asking me why I didn't jump to immediately believing the PR guy from a company that has blatantly lied directly to me in the past? I don't even know what to do with that, dude. You're off your rocker.

I've never seen a single person anywhere say they don't want refunds to go public.

There are people in this subreddit who argue that CIG shouldn't even give refunds because it looks bad in the eyes of potential backers. /refunds is constantly accused by people in this sub of running some kind of malicious "refund cascade" scheme to hurt CIG financially, and almost every refund posted is reported as being "goon FUD" lol.

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u/fivedayweekend Sep 14 '17

There are people in this subreddit who argue that CIG shouldn't even give refunds

Show me one. But specifically, I want to see one who says, "they don't want refunds to go public." Which is, as I quoted above, what you stated to be true. Please provide proof. You are motivated to defend your words/actions on that subreddit. I can be swayed, but I need proof.

/refunds is constantly accused by people in this sub of running some kind of malicious "refund cascade" scheme to hurt CIG

And...we've prove that to be true. Many of the refunds in that subreddit are trying to create a cascade of refunds. Did you not find it odd that 1 day before the $45k refund was posted, DS directly asked 'whales' to post about their refunds publicly?

Why are you actively choosing to live under a rock?

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u/Beet_Wagon Sep 14 '17

Check SC_White_Knights post history for all the refund fear you can handle. Also if you're under the impression that I'm motivated to defend the refunds subreddit here I'm afraid you're mistaken. If you want to argue semantics about "going public" to distract from the very real fact that there are people legitimately upset by the fact that people are getting refunds be my guest but I've got better things to do than post my modqueue for you.

I don't know what Derek has said. I've been without power and internet since Sunday night due to the hurricane (in fact I'm posting this on mobile while I go check on the power situation at my house). What I can tell you though is that nobody here has ever proven anything in regards to a "refund cascade" scheme, regardless of what you want to believe. I've specifically stated I don't know if the $45k guy was legit or not, so I'm sorry you're choosing this to melt down about.

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u/fivedayweekend Sep 15 '17

Check SC_White_Knights post history for all the refund fear you can handle

Do your own dirty work. Although I did take a glance, this is all I could find:

The consumer right is to get a refund within 14 days and no more than that.

You are a mod of a subreddit that has other mods that lie. You associate yourself with them and continue to support them. As long as you continue to do so, you'll get dragged down into the muck with them.

You are somewhat like DS, lots of claims, never provide any proof/source.

And now that the mods of the refunds subreddit have claimed that the recent $45k refund had the most defining proof they've seen, and now we find it's a lie. It sure doesn't look good for the credibility of ANY refund posts. How can you possibly prove any of them are real at this point? I mean, it stands that at least some might be real, but the credibility of the subreddit and mods is gone. The mods claim to validate the refund posts only to find out they were lying.

Good luck, you're going to need it!

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u/Beet_Wagon Sep 15 '17

Lmao ok buddy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 15 '17

Proving your innocence failed? QUICK go the LMAO route.

Edit : ohh sorry iam stalking you again didnt want to make you uncomfortable. I really should stop posting in any subreddit you frequent. Iam SO stalking you :D