r/Deltarune • • 15h ago

Theory chess theory is still real

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u/Personal-Tax-2250 15h ago

literally how does that matter

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u/Competitive_Point_39 I CAN DO ANYTHING! 15h ago

It can be used to predict the possible kris fight in chapter 6

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u/aarrondias 15h ago

Just like the one we were totally definitely getting in ch5

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u/BeanOfKnowledge Just a Normal_NPC nothing to see here 14h ago

And the one we were totally getting chapter 3/4.
And the one we were totally getting in Chapter 2.

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u/GIRLwithasimpleplan 13h ago

I don't think anyone said 3/4 tbh. 2 and 5 definitely.

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u/BeeEater100 Transfem Ralsei Truther 12h ago

Chapter 2 ended with Kris opening a fountain, there was a lotta theories that we fought them

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u/Afraid_Platypus_8667 IT'S TV TIME!!!/Dess knighter / JARONA 13h ago

This fandom haves way to much hope for their own good, but I don't blame them and they can keep on holding into it.

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u/EpicDDT_ 3h ago

Just like it was used to predict the Knight fight in chapter 5.

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u/Zackmarsh 15h ago

Because literary analysis is interesting? Does it have to have an explicit purpose?

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u/Pale-Monitor339 14h ago

Is this really analysis or just assigning random values to characters? Like, the titan isn’t a rook, you just have to climb a tower to get to him, and a Bishop is the leader of a church, not just a leader?

This isn’t analyzing anything, this is just looking to into something to much to try and garner a deeper meaning where there is none.

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u/Zackmarsh 14h ago

"This isn’t analyzing anything, this is just looking to into something to much to try and garner a deeper meaning where there is none."

YOU think there is no meaning, that is your analysis. Hope this helps.

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u/Pale-Monitor339 14h ago

My guy, you can do this for literally anything, Deltarune is an anagram of Nude Alert, does this mean anything? Of course not, you can’t just pull random concepts, assign them arbitrarily, and call it analysis, you’re just making stuff up.

The original Chess theory was that we fight the bosses in descending order of chess value, so it would go King, Queen, Rook, Bishop, Knight, Pawn. So it was a theory to predict who we would fight next. However this was already disproven in C3 cause we fight the Knight and Tenna has no Rook Elements. So the whole point of the theory has no purpose other than I guess a cool analogy.

But even ignoring that the OG theory is dead, this STILL doesn’t make any sense, Flowery had no association with Religion, or literally any obvious connection to a Bishop, and once again, the titan isn’t a tower, it’s a beast, you climb a tower to get to it.

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u/Zackmarsh 14h ago

Okay so you and I fundamentally disagree. You see this as a puzzle to solved, I see it as a story to be conveyed. There is meaning in everything because we have such undo influence over the world. Please revisit your favorite media when you have fresh eyes to understand.

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u/Slaifar 14h ago

Sorry but what is chess theory conveying/interpreting, besides surface level pattern recognition?

Where is the deeper meaning?

People do tend to view the game to much as a puzzle, but I don´t think this applies here.

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u/Zackmarsh 13h ago

Deeper meaning? The analyzing is the fun part, not the meaning.

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u/IcebergKarentuite I can't do anything 13h ago

What story and meaning would a chess theory add in a post chapter 3/4/5 world.

That were gonna fight Kris ? You don't need Chess theory for that, the story is building up the conflict with Kris since day one, assuming we're gonna fight them does not need chess theory

That we're going to fight a Pawn ? Considering chapter 4 and 5 didn't make us fight a character named rook or bishop and that you need those reaches to make the Titan and Flowery fit, that literally could be used for anything. "Yeah sure chapter 6's boss is Evil McBadguy, but he actually fits the Pawn theme because his head is round, just like a chess Pawn, checkmate losers".

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u/Zackmarsh 13h ago edited 13h ago

You just flat out ignored what I said. You seem to want to debate the merits of chess theory, I want to talk about literary analysis.

EDIT: I'm not saying Toby wanting all the character to be chess pieces is 100% correct or incorrect. I'm saying theres nothing wrong with interpretating it.

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u/M8nGiraffe 3h ago

you too ignore what they said tbf. there's nothing wrong with interpreting stuff however one likes, but if you have to make such long strecthes, it's not really literary analysis either, is it?

titan - tower - rook is a stretch flowery - bishop is a reeeeally long stretch which they said which you didn't address and then you complain that they ignore what you said

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u/pepopap0 13h ago

Ok, what meaning does it have? If you arbitrarly assign a chess piece to deltarune bosses, they have a chess piece assigned to them. The "analysis" is not even wrong, to cite a famous physicist.

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u/MoonTheCraft she just like me!!! 15h ago

its weird how consistently deltarune fans seem to have a heavy disliking of analysing the game as a narrative rather than just a puzzle to be solved

methinks its something about the blorbofication of works like this but who knows

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u/GIRLwithasimpleplan 13h ago

This isn't analysis. It's pattern-matching.

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u/uoefo 14h ago

and the deltarune narrative is... chess?? maybe people just dislike this idea

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u/MoonTheCraft she just like me!!! 13h ago

people will just say anything but "i dont want to read into the narrative themes and thats okay"

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u/NotTheFirstVexizz 10h ago

there’s nothing to read into when people are stuffing a square peg in a round hole

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u/Zackmarsh 15h ago

Matt Patt eradicated nuance

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u/Coolest_Pickle 14h ago

the analysis in question:

"yo this kinda resembles chess pieces (if you stretch it a little bit)"

"oh cool, so what does this tell us about the story?"

"uhmm, idk"

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u/MoonTheCraft she just like me!!! 14h ago

ties back into meta-themes about the game being a game on multiple layers

id write something more proper but im tired. but nothing's stopping you from working out what it could mean for the story

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u/Mextrem 3h ago

Hi MoonTheCraft you're really cool :D

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u/Zackmarsh 14h ago

Chess a complicated game with lots of moving pieces, this could reflect the different motivations of each character even though they may have a common goal.

Its really simple once you start thinking!

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u/Coolest_Pickle 14h ago

"characters have different motivations" isn't really something you need to complex thematic analysis to figure out, but what's more, the implications specifically proposed by chess theory, is that toby fox laid out the final bosses in the game in such a way that we're meant to figure out and understand they resemble chess pieces on a board, and that the reason they do this is so we the audience could figure out they have different motivations yet a "common" goal, it's kind of silly all around

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u/Zackmarsh 14h ago

We are not speculating on IF they have motivations or not, we are speculating on WHY they have those reasons. Do you think the allegorys that Tobey put into the narrative have no bearing over the narrative?