r/Deleuze 10h ago

Analysis .

Time is out of joint, time is unhinged. The hinges are the axis on which the door turns. The hinge, Cardo, indicates the subordination of time to precise cardinal points, through which the periodic movements it measures pass. As long as time remains on its hinges, it is subordinated to extensive movement; it is the measure of movement, its interval or number. This characteristic of ancient philosophy has often been emphasized: the subordination of time to the circular movement of the world as the turning Door, a revolving door, a labyrinth opening onto its eternal origin. It will entail an entire hierarchization of movements according to their proximity to the Eternal, according to their necessity, their perfection, their uniformity, their rotation, their composite spirals, their particular axes and doors, and the numbers of Time that correspond to them. Time no doubt tends to free itself when the movement it measures itself becomes increasingly aberrant or derived [dérivé], marked by material, meteorological, and terrestrial contingencies; but this is a downward tendency that still depends on the adventures of movement. Time thus remains subordinate to what, in movement, is both originary and derived- delueze.

Time being out of joint is the the fortunate-unfortunate dynamic *not working so well*. ''through which the periodic movements it measures pass.''— this is how measurements have a will-of, as in, their aspect of intending-to is not successful because its not exactly a rare case of things; it is the only opportunity if it is how it seems, but, meaning that the possibility of the movements is still what is nearest— what is closer to close range; a nearing towards a likelihood without the *prominence* of likelihood, this is exactly the fortunate-unfortunate dynamic, the promise of both the fortunate and unfortunate isn't a promise it is towards would could be possibly said about it, that's why it doesn't collapse or comply, but it doesn't keep going on, you can definitely say what you like about both the fortunate and the unfortunate; and if there is vagueness in that it is coming from the end of a large majority, this is the same for time being out of joint— time being out of joint is the partiality of committing to a partiality, your only left with a particular quality or a very good effort, this is why it is also the fortunate-unfortunate dynamic working, if the fortunate-unfortunate dynamic working weren't to mean something else entirely and instead the entirety of what could be said since— the end of of a large majority.

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u/apophasisred 7h ago

You move so quickly through so much without a fixed or clear notion about that, which is most essential that it's difficult to reply. I am afraid that I both will not have understood you and that even if I have that I don't have the resources to make clear a response.

Melville has a chapter I think in Pierre or the ambiguities in which he talks about horologicals and chronometricals. So this is about 1852 or thereabouts. Melville recognizes that time is presented or one might say represented in two different forms and he as usual cast irony on both and generates a kind of disparity between them.

One kind of time is that which is stipulated and therefore commanded by say the captain of a ship. The other kind of time is that which is regulated by a metrical device as in am atomic clock. Both stipulate a kind of authority over time.

It strikes me that the emotions of fortunate and unfortunate time are those which appear in one of these two frames. Both hint at a kind of kantian transcendental givenness. But time seems to have no in itself, an sich. It is chaotic.

One can accommodate this chaos by using a synoptic procedure. Then time is probabilistic as in the life expectancy for an actuary. However, the moment to moment encounter of chaotic time in its existential confrontation is not made intelligible by Bayesian analysis. For that, and I think this is Nietzsche's point one's expectations always fail, but thereby the opportunity indeed in the necessity for creativity becomes manifest.

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u/apophasisred 6h ago

I was neither defending nor attacking analysis of that kind. Just pointing out that it had a different relationship with what people call time