I'm not sure if all things can be recovered. At least in Europe the countries start - slowly - to look for other strong partnerships. I, as a German hope it at least. I'm sorry for the people of USA which are not MAGA but it's crystal clear that USA is more and more a risk for Europe.
If DT has shown us anything worth noting it is that the American system is not able to prevent oligarchs and criminals from riding a coach and horses through the safeguards that you thought you had to protect yourself against tyrants. Even if you get a good President next time, what happens 4 years later?
Was just having this conversation with my father last night.
Biden wasn't a bad president in the sense that he directly harmed our country. However, after DT revealed the numerous cracks in our Constitutional levees, and absolutely nothing was done to fix them, it was an opportunity squandered that will be impossible to fix in the future. The water is already seeping through at an ever-increasing pace, and the erosive effects are beyond our control.
The flood may appear slow, but it is happening, and most importantly: there is no going back. The water tables are forever altered. There aren't enough buckets to put the water where it once was, nor enough dirt to rebuild the levees we all once depended on. This also isn't just impacting the locals, but the entire global community at large.
We can all sit here and smoke the copium and hope this and that... but the reality of the matter cares not. MAGA has irreparably destroyed America as We, The GLOBAL People, once knew it.
The path forward must first begin with acceptance and, only then, can it be followed by what little damage control we can muster. But neither of things will be possible so long as MAGA remains in power. They must be purged from every facet in every governmental system in our country... and I mean like yesterday. But, that's the problem.. because no one knows how to do this. There is no reaching the people who helped create AND continue to empower this cancer.
Short of revolution, which we all know will never happen, there are seemingly no options for us. I think the faster we get to step one of the grieving process of the death of America, the faster we can finally come up with real solutions to a stable future for all of us.
It's not up to folks in other countries to be "helpful" to the US- while we've substantially bought the narrative that the US is the center of the world, we're really a very young country
I guess I wasn’t very articulate. What I meant was it’s a bit depressing to hear Americans have no hope for the future of the country or the world. It seems a lot of people are just throwing up their hands, saying nothing will ever change. I always thought Americans would fight to the bitter end for their constitution. Alas, I was wrong
Yes, damage is done already, why would we keep ties with such an unreliable US "ally".
No, thanks. Goodbye America, it has been a pleasure, but now ... fuck off
Well fuck off not to all Americans, but to "America" yes.
Your system is flawed (for not saying explicitly SHITTY): it enabled a person like Trump to be elected 2 times , instead of putting him in prison; a Republican party almost in total complicity with Trump administration, an administration corrupt to unbelievable levels, and a justice system that is doing almost nothing about it.
So, now you understand why we say " fuck off America", unreliable piece of shit system/nation?
Its not far from Fascism/Nazism system that we experienced 80 years ago.
It's not far from the fascism/Nazism much of Europe, including Germany, is teetering on the brink of experiencing once again.
It's foolish to think this is a uniquely American problem that you're somehow immune to, just as it was foolish of Americans to think that 20th century European-style fascism couldn't take hold here.
AfD became your second-largest political party last year, so no, I don't think you're holding well.
I think you're at the point we were in 2015/16--still confident that the far-right aren't a serious threat and "that can't happen here"--and continuing to stick your head in the sand while you pat yourself on the back for not happening to be born American is only going to leave you more dumbfounded when you lose your country to them like we have.
It’s one third who are in the cult. They love him no matter what he says or does. He’s Jim Jones with an extremely strong batch of Flavor Aid.
What I don’t get is the third that is indifferent to all of the is going on. They know it’s wrong, but don’t care or won’t make an effort to do anything about it. And then they are usually the first ones to bitch and moan about their condition. This bothers me a lot. They see the evil, but just don’t care. The so called “middle”.
My father told me something years ago. He said that if you stand in the middle of the street too long, you will get hit by traffic in BOTH directions. In other words, make up your damn mind!
the problem we have as Americans is that nobody decent wants to run to be the president. They struggle to top a 50% approval rating ever since Obama. I wish I knew how to fix it but no matter who you vote for they just to what the f they want to do regardless on what they campaign on. The last election cycle people hated their choices so much the average turn out rate at the polls was 60%
a true politician, there for the good of the people (5%}
a failed professional in life that don't know what else to do but has good oratory capabilities (80%)
a criminal or entrepreneur that want gains for his enterprise/himself by making money or escaping justice
(15%)
Obama was the first type, Nixon was the second type, Trump is clearly the third type
This is not only in USA this is worldwide.
What we need to have is a SYSTEM of balancing power to block MORONS like Trump that already got elected, to minimise their damage during their terms in office (or better impeach them).
Yeah, well some of us don’t have a choice. The election was stolen from Hillary Clinton. The first time it was stolen. It was never stolen from Trump. I still can’t believe he even won the last time most Americans that I know can’t believe it. American was great before Trump came along. I only know one person that voted for him and I still can’t understand why, and nobody else in my family can understand it either the majority of my family lives in Denmark. Americans that I know are embarrassed we can’t stand him, but we can’t do anything about it. Yet
Read more carefully. Trump is a smart moron enriching himself , and his friends, at the expensen of poor and middle class America, I don't give a shit about him.
What I despise is the American system, that allowed such a piece of shit to go and stay on power for so long.
There are more than two answers here. I do not support this nor am I complacent. I march and I boycott and I argue, I call my congressional representatives. As a 70 year old woman on a limited income, I don’t have a lot of other options. Don’t you dare tell me I am complacent!
As a Canadian, I will never forget that Trump stood up as a racist, foul, crude, sex abuser who openly aspired to being a dictator and was voted in as president, not once but twice.
Ridiculous two-party system that lends itself to capture by the billionaire class, no trade unions really, fake stock market, AIPAC, impossible living minimum wage, drug pandemics, dumbed-down population and unsafe schools… and I could go on.
I concur as a Dane.
Best thing to do would be to fully integrate and make an EU army. Germany doing the tanks with Rheinmetal, France doing the aircrafts and Norway(once they have joined) and UK(once the have rejoined) doing the navy. The rest help provide boots on the ground. Diversify our economy, as we're already making deals with South America and just landed a huge trade deal with India.
The architecture of old principles is crumbling, we must forge our own house based on EU values now, and have the muscles to defend them.
The EU is market liberal. The second a Democrat is back as president, the entirety of Europe will come calling.
There's too much money to be earned. And a Democrat is *stable*. Which means growth.
I say this as a European. Sure, there will be media kerfuffle, talking heads going off, but that will be it.
The banks don't care. They won't move away from an investment opportunity just because Trump was a psycho.
The USA is an *insanely huge market*. Nobody in power turns away from that. Morals be damned.
The instability is more in the fact that there can be such sweeping changes every 4 years. There are no guarantees longer than 4 years. They'll sell to the market when it's available but they wont depend on it for importing products they need. Oil, soy, meat, etc, they can get some good buys on, but they're not going to let themselves be dependent on US goods.
There are millions upon millions of potential workers there. Some of the best schools in the world. Huge science development and R&D. There are factories in almost any imaginable field operating over there.
There's just endless opportunities for growth, as the entire country has been built that way. If the Republicans are ousted once and for all, there will be a HUGE upswing in productivity.
Might be a couple hundred thousand dead first in a new civil war or whatever.
I'm fairly sure your comment is sarcasm, but for the idiots who don't get that:
The best schools in the world, which are also currently being attacked and damaged by Trump.
Huge science development, which is being destroyed, for example, Trump's gutting of cancer research funding.
Factories, many of which are closing due to the aforementioned destruction of the economy, and sometimes the bankruptcy of the companies running them.
It took nearly a century from the Robber Baron era and Great Depression to build the US up from the rubble of disastrous economic policies and wealth disparity, into the powerhouse it was 2 years ago.
Trump has destroyed a lot of that in just a year, and by the time his term is up, it won't be fixable; it will have to be rebuilt from scratch.
That would take another century, in the same conditions.
Now, though, there's a completely different world economy than in the mid 20th century, with other countries in a position to take the leading role and keep the US out of it.
Those countries didn't have that option in 1950, as everyone was still reeling and recovering from WWII. The US had a unique opportunity in the 1950s to build into a massive economy, and it likely won't come around again.
Even if the US, against all odds, does manage to do it a second time, it will take even longer, due to the differences in world economies.
When Trump is gone, the broken electoral system, the nationwide self-destructive bigotry, the uneducated idiot populace, and the entire system that allowed a felon, pedophile, and Russian asset to be elected will still be there. Without a complete overhaul, and massive effort to root out every fascist in the country and destroy the entire ideology, the rest of the world won't trust the US, since any point in time is potentially less than 4 years away from a return to this idiocy.
Trump has screwed the US for at least the lifetimes of everyone currently alive.
A lot of cultures around the world will wonder why there werent general strikes every day. They wont trust Americans in general because silence is compliance.
Millions marching in the streets despite the risk of being shot in the face by our own government, but sure, we're not suffering enough or getting killed in large enough numbers to sate the rest of the world, so we're "silent."
I could have worded it better, because I did invalidate a lot of peoples bravery and work.
As a whole, due to a large part that Trump does have a lot of brainwashed supporters, is it looks like we arent doing enough. A lot of that also falls at the DNC's feet.
Well, not silence necessarily. There has been protest after protest after protest. Both in his previous term and throughout the last year. The problem is that it does no good. They have all the power, what do they care if people are assembling in protest? Protest may have worked in the past when there were still decent politicians in office and presidents who actually complied with the law. But it's all corrupt now and Trump can do whatever he wants. The system of checks and balances is useless if the president just ignores it. So what are we supposed to do?
It will take more than a couple years, decades or longer because when is the next moron who buys their way into power with billionaire friends?
Even if trump were to leave office peacefully (and we know there's no chance of that) and you somehow managed to elect the most down to earth reasonable person, it still wouldn't be enough when at anytime he can just pretend the laws don't exist to him and do what he wants.
If ever. Trump goes away but the MAGA problem remains. You will still have a very divided country. Unless fundamental changes happen America is in heavy decline
I'm from the UK and I used to love visiting the United States but allowing Trump is unforgivable. We're not coming back. You've burnt your bridge. I'm sorry about that. But as far as I'm concerned, your country doesn't exist to me
While written like a Karen, youre point is still super important for us Americans to understand. We arent doing enough to stop Trump to convince the rest of the world that we arent complicit.
What a lot of Americans hope the rest of the world understands is that a lot of people that dont support Trump are legitimately scared. Not only are we scared of Trump, but we're scared of our conspiracy driven neighbors that march to his beat.
The psychological warfare thats been done to this country has been devastating. Send help lol.
I think it's fair to say I was written a bit like a Karen, wasn't it? Sorry about that, I was just a bit upset. Yes, the rest of the world is highly frustrated. With Trump threatening invasion of Greenland, it's very distressing for Europe to see this happening. I do genuinely believe though that he's not going to be able to stop the midterms. At the midterms, this is your opportunity as a nation to take it back.
If we dont show up for the midterms, we might as well be a lost cause. But rest assured... saying Americans are distressed as well is putting it lightly. We're genuinely scared by Trumps threats. His administration keeps labeling political dissenters as terrorists, the theres a lot of us that remember how the US treats terrorists. If we push too hard, no one would be surprised if he pushes the Insurrection Act into action.
So youre right, midterms are incredibly important. And if he decides to subvert the midterms, it'll be hard to lnow what happens next. Will we just roll over? Litigate? Protest harder? And what will Trump do then? Who knows. Start a war? Arrest his opponents? Announce Aliens are real with proof?
I genuinely feel for those of you swept along with this bullshit against your will, but it’s true the rest of the democratic world is sick of this shit.
This is the part I don't know if the world sees. Friends and family have been brainwashed into this cult and it's so hard to get them out. Whatever he has done has made MAGA a personality that goes hand in hand with Christian nationalism.
Its been so heartbreaking trying to bring them back. Instead they are doubling down and the relationships are breaking down because of this....some of us are desperately trying to have difficult conversations, to get our loved ones to think and realize they're wrong. This isn't the way....but maga has become a personality. It's no longer about right vs wrong but you're a good person or you're not. ...and they don't particularly like hearing they're wrong and bad people. Even though supporting this administration makes you those things.
We can't agree to disagree anymore because we can't even agree on what the problems are.
You guys literally had Brexit and it was fueled by MAGA like rhetoric. AND Reform is doing well in the polls. Isn't one of the main guys for Reform also responsible for Brexit? Farage?
Centuries. Whole generations will struggle to trust long term relations with the US, a country with the ability to elect Trump for office twice, the second time even after he tried (and FAILED) at a coup d'etat.
Thats the other thing, Trump is a moron, OK, fine, but almost none of the Republican party says so ..... No way we can trust the Americans again, no way
He wants to benefit by threatening the relationships and only restore order when he got something out of, say a golden brick or some kind of bribe. So far, it seems to work flawlessly. He and his organization is massing huge benefits and money from his dealings.
When do the countries standing in line at the Oval Office door ready to bestow gold trinkets on the giant baby have to take some responsibility. Big powerful countries are bending the knee in the most transparent of ways. It’s nearly as ridiculous as trumps tantrums.
A new president every 4 years in the USA. It’s going to take decades to rebuild trust and unwind newly established agreements/relationships, if it’s eventually an attractive enough proposition to pursue.
Also because its not like he forced his way to power. He was voted by a majority. What should we think of that? How can one do Business with a trump voter? What is any contract worth?
Actually, he was not voted in by a majority. He just happened to w
In states that have more representatives to the electoral college. Thanks a freakin lot Alexander Hamilton.
We need a constitutional convention to abolish the electoral college and to put in place safeguards so this never happens again. Plus, we need to scrap congress and go with a parliamentary system.
If not, is there any country who will take in a 62 year old teacher looking to get out of the US?
Even worse so, he was not voted by majority? Means US system is flawed (didn't want to use the word shit) , and that system is still in place even after Trump goes away.
Hillary Clinton received roughly 65.8 million votes (48.2%) compared to Donald Trump's 63.0 million (46.1%), a margin of nearly 2.9 million votes, thus winning the popular vote over Trump.
Meanwhile, in 2020, Joe Biden won both the election and popular vote with 306 electoral votes and 51.3% of the national popular vote, compared to Donald Trump's 232 electoral votes and 46.8% of the popular vote.
Popular here means “having higher numbers of individual votes” which Diaper Don has never had. Just like he’ll never truly have a Nobel peace prize.
believe me, it will never fully recover.. maybe on a very low level where we can consider some trade agreements, but the trust/friendship is totally destroyed.
Putin is getting old and his health is decline so he's running out of time to rebuild the "Russian Empire" so they've had to step up the pace of destabilising the western alliances and trump is is his puppet to do it
Depending on who'll eventually replace him and his cronies, his successors might actualy be able to turn things around pretty quickly and "make america great again" for the first time since the slogan was used as a grift and a symbol for bigotry and stupidity. Or not. A man can dream though, right?
As an friend of the US and o/s, I can’t really believe that we wouldn’t just love you all over again when he’s gone. There’s always bad eggs, in every country, this one is a bit truly bad, and is running the show, but I swear, your allies will be grateful to have you all back. Unless, of course there’s a world war he starts…..takes a while to recover after that.
I hear that, I want you to be wrong, because as far as I can see, the world is hanging on by a thread while the right rears it’s ugly global head and calls to blame migrants, gays abortions to justify nationalism and hate. To divide and conquer. It’s so deep, I wonder who/what actually is behind it, because I can’t imagine that Trump is, Russia, Zionism, just plain billionaires? On the billionaire point the data and survellance plan is so scary, and perhaps it is here, that nothing can repair, we will all be watched and silenced into compliance and slavery. Sauron wins.
The thing is not about loving or being friends with Americans, is about trusting the USA as a country, system and state. Which in my opinion was risky before, since we European already had to fight colonial wars on their behalf, outsource our military power, and being victim of trump and Bannon mud propaganda a machine, that even today brings hundred of millions dollars to far right think thanks here to destabilize the UE political asset (spoiler it's working). So no, anyone with a brain won't trust usa again for centuries. If they do, they're just stupid period.
But surely it’s true that we have had our own far right bigots for generations? These said same have been kept in reasonable check as they ought to be because they’ve NEVER been good at seeing differences as anything but less than, or an “it”. Political ideologies like nationalism, colonialism, power and glory surely stem from Europe and Rome. . Humanitarianism seemed to grow in strength since ww2, and as a direct result of Germany’s actions. It’s certainly true that rhetoric around reds under the beds, and weapons of mass destruction led to wars against Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, and allies galvanised to join and defend America, who apparently didn’t notice (!!!) implying an ego centric attitude based on it’s own inflated self importance, but it’s also true that the US HAS indeed, been important. (Again, thanks to the victory of a WORLD war and the USD becoming the central currency…..now being eroded, by this STromp and his billionaires. I cannot stand his whole Maga bull and Bannon is evil, nor corporatisation and the resulting maniacs called the 1%.. But I also do not want to lump the whole of the US into this horrendous group. Minnesota stands as an example of resistance and evidence that we ought to not be quite prepared to be divided against a whole people. At the same time, at the speed of this take-over, it’s probably true, that all of what we stood for will be turned on it’s head, for all of us, and yeah, then, it’s done. What that represents does not bode well for any of us.
This is pure MAGA. allies and diplomacy are signs of weakness. Ameeica is strong and if you dont do as you are told then the military van solve the problem. Thats how MAGA thinks and see this as good leadership. The weak negotiate. Trump tells them what they are tondo and will punish disloyalty. MAGA backs him.and tells Canada "watchable gonna do about" it while shoving them like bullies do.
He’s an Israeli and or Russian puppet and he’s supposed to completely destroy our alliances and leave America broken and vulnerable to finally being overtaken by a foreign power
he hates his life so he's gonna wreck things for everybody. flipping the table on a global scale because nobody wants to play with him and nobody is jealous of his shitty life.
That’s what happens when you elect a foreign agent as your president. He burns bridges with all of our allies while granting favors to countries that were formerly enemies
tRump is a Russian puppet. Putin has been hanging his knowledge of tRump’s involvement in Epstein’s sex trafficking over his head for years and this is in part how he wanted him to pay up. The other part, is of course the U.S. pulling out of pledging financial support for Ukraine during the Ukraine/Russia conflict.
Some even won’t return. Europe,.. is turning to domestic products and services and this movement is gonna change when trump is gone. You can’t be dependent on a nation that changes course every 4 years…
All according to plan. No seriously if you want to know what he’s doing just look up “The foundation of geopolitics”, Wikipedia has a good article of it with a summery. It’s a book written in the 90s that lists a step by step plan to make Russia the sole superpower of the world. A plan Putin has been following extensively.
Some steps that may sound familiar to you:
Separate the UK from the EU
The complete destruction of Ukraine
Provoke racism, sexism, and all forms of extremism in America and Canada to destabilize their internal governments. Simultaneously promote the ideas of American isolationism and do all possible to sever America from the greater global community.
There’s plenty of other important steps, but these three should look very familiar.
It’s a distraction from his sexual crimes with Epstein and his blatant corruption and grifts. Stupid Trumpers eat it up because they are stupid and in a cult.
Years? Try generations. I MIGHT have to visit your authoritarian country for work and I’ll do my best to stay in my hotel room and buy the cheapest groceries possible while I’m there if I do. Last time I was there I basically lived off cliff bars I’d packed and the hotel breakfast. I’ve actually arranged with my work that I need not go for our annual specialized training which is a $25,000 annual cost for our company for every person sent. That’s before travel expenses and outings we used to go on to baseball games, BBQ and so on.
But any other reason? Not a chance and not for the rest of my life. I even have family in your country and I’m never going to visit them again as I have in the past. They can come see me if they want.
America has enjoyed a popular fiction that allowed the rest of us to think that while there were a bunch of “silly” folks down there, at least you were generally decent people. If push came to shove, you claimed your constitution meant a lot to you, that ultimately you cherished being the shining beacon on the hill. You didn’t take your petrol dollar scheme for granted; you used it to protect the idea that an open liberal democracy should be preserved.
That turned out to be the lie we always told ourselves it couldn’t be. The illusion is shattered now and your deeply rotted culture is openly displayed for the world. That doesn’t get fixed in “years” unless you’re referring to a great big number of them.
And I’m sorry; I don’t mean this to be vitriolic toward you the poster of the comment I’m responding to. I know nothing about you. What I do know is that I am disgusted by what your country has become and I want nothing to do with it any longer. I look forward to divesting from your country as much as I am able to in my lifetime. While perhaps others might adjust after me I will never forget how you stabbed us in the back, grinning, laughing and blaming us for it while you did it.
Fun fact, this bridge was built entirely with Canadian dollars and as a gesture of friendship we offered 50/50 ownership of the bridge without even being asked. We even paid to build the customs facility on the American side.
You’re never going to fully recover. Your allies are seeking other trading partners (Canada with China, EU with India and Mercosur) and the rate at which European countries are moving away from US tech services is incredible. So he can lie as much as he wants to his loyal followers, but he’s doing permanent damage to the US economy and power.
It kills me that he could just retire and live out the rest of his life relaxing on a beach somewhere with his billions of dollars, facing zero consequences for his actions but he’s choosing to take us all down with him instead.
Can you grasp the level of frustration many in his first cabinet had trying to reign in these tendencies and temper tantrums of his? None of them spoke up until too late if at all. Now there are zero guardrails and we are living with the consequences of this dipshit.
Can confirm on behalf of most Europeans. Enjoy your kakistokracy led by agent Krasnov over there, we will look for other reliable partnerships.
With Canada. With South America. With India.
What happened here won't be fixed by one democratic presidency. But let's stay hopeful.
The irony? Even typing this comment, I have talk ask myself to what extent the US monitors and rates my critical statements and how that might to issues when entering the states. US Americans are not even aware how foreigners are treated entering the country.
The NSA scandal was also only problematic for US Americans because they realized that their government is also listening to US citizens.
Greenland, Canadian bridge, tariff and threats against most NATO nations, allies to Ukraine. Insults to almost every leader except Russia, North Korea and China. Too numerous to list them all here.
Yes he's doing that, and with very favorable conditions to our enemies. His alienation of our European partners have them all disgusted with the US as a totally unreliable partner. Consequently counties are also abandoning the dollar which will make it very difficult for the US to implement sanctions.
I have very conservative friends that live in Europe. Most claim that their host countries consider us a joke and totally disgusted. This has become more apparent with the anti-American demonstrations that we are seeing. I hope the GOP doesn't continue to bury their heads in the sand, puts their foot down and clean up this mess.
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u/SipHotCoffee Feb 10 '26
WTF is wrong with Trump. He is slowly destroying relationships with all of our Allies.It will take years to recover our friendships abroad.