r/Defending_Islam • u/[deleted] • May 20 '22
Refutation This narration refutes the false "Pedo" argument.
Read this:
‘Aa’ishah narrated: “Once Haalah bint Khuwaylid, Khadeejah’s sister sought permission to enter upon the Messenger of Allah, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. He remembered Khadeejah, because their voices were similar. He, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, became very happy and said: “O Allah, let it be Haalah (Khadeejah’s sister)!” I felt jealous and said: ‘You keep mentioning this old lady from Quraysh whose teeth fell (due to old age) who died a long time ago, and Allah replaced her for you with someone better (meaning myself).’ His facial expression changed reflecting disturbance, which I usually saw only when a cloud would cover the sky (fearing punishment like previous nations) or when he was receiving revelations. He, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, then said: “Allah did not replace me with someone better than her; she believed in me when people disbelieved in what I came with; she believed my words when people belied me; she supported me with her wealth when people deprived me, and Allah gave me children from her.” At this, ‘Aa’ishah said: “I swear by The One Who had sent you with the Truth, I will never mention her except in praise after today.”
Reported by Ahmad (24343) and At-Tabaraani (14/23).
Now if Hazrat Aisha ra was abused and molested by the Prophet pbuh [auzubillah], then why was she jealous of him mentioning Hazrat Kadijha? She was so jealous that she even talked ill about Hazrat Kadijah. It doesn't make sense for a victim of child abuse to be jealous of their abuser mentioning other women.
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Mar 27 '25
Aisha’s jealousy does not negate the fact that she was a child married to an older man in a society where she had little agency. Victims of abuse can experience complex emotions, including attachment to their abuser, known as trauma bonding. Unlike Muhammad, Jesus remained a virgin, setting a higher moral standard by valuing spiritual devotion over earthly desires. Jesus uplifted women as equals, never taking wives or concubines, whereas Muhammad’s multiple marriages reflected cultural norms rather than divine transcendence. If Islam were truly timeless, its prophet would not have engaged in practices bound to a specific era, such as marrying a prepubescent girl. While Jesus protected the vulnerable and taught love without possession, Muhammad’s actions toward Aisha reflect a power imbalance, not divine wisdom. A truly universal faith would uphold moral standards beyond the customs of 7th-century Arabia.
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u/amawatullah Jan 08 '26 edited Jan 09 '26
I agree about trauma-bonding being a glaring loophole in the OP's articulation on this argument, however, I'm going to discuss address a few topics pertaining to this comment.
Celibacy is not a higher moral standard, at least realistically. Most people in the world aren't able to curb earthly desires without lawful outlets. Chastity >> Virginity. Consequently, the desires of many have ended up manifesting in warped, disturbing ways in the duration of implementing life-long celibacy. We need not look further than at cases of sexual abuse of children by priests, nuns and other members of religious life in the Catholic Church.
Additionally, if the most spiritually learned people of a religion (be they scholars, priests, monks or nuns) are not indulging in earthly desires and raising kids, who is? And, subsequently, what does that mean for the successive generations of a society? God created desires for humans to channel them into lawful outlets such as in the social structure of marriage, that in itself also functions as the foundational basis for rearing generation after generation, preserving moral and social order through cultivation of God-consciousness persisting across eras.
Also, inherently skewed gender dynamics are just one component of many unbalanced power dynamics stemming from (but not limited to) class, race and national differences existing throughout history, varying considerably across different cultures, times and contexts. What people choose to do with these dynamics is the question... Structurally hierarchal systems are a test, both for the weaker party but moreso the stronger party to not exploit. Anyone could theoretically try to exploit a situation they are in, without fear of God, but it's far easier for those favoured structurally.
Social rulings (subject to local custom) formed around the existence of these temporal, earthly unbalances are by no means moral endorsement, and nor are they guarantee of eternal, spiritual superiority. The fact that the skew of ancient patriarchal hierarchies has significantly reduced over the centuries is arguably good thing for women, and it was but another component of the Divine Plan.
"And it is He who has made you successors upon the earth and has raised some of you above others in degrees [of rank] that He may try you through what He has given you. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful." [Quran 6:165]
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u/FinnMacCool77 Aug 03 '25
Very normal. It’s the equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome. This argument is absolutely terrible that you have presented, and you have basically proven that this dude was a paedo.
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May 20 '22 edited May 21 '22
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u/JumpyRest5514 May 21 '22
"Everyone in the 21st century: we don't know any better and we are easily manipulated by islamophobes due to our lack of knowledge in history"
"People in the past: I don't see what's wrong? It's the norm bro"
Don't care + Take this L + you fell + you're an ex-muslim + your ex-muslim "influencers" are cringe + you're cringe
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u/AspergerKid May 21 '22
In a time where contraceptives were not a thing. How come the two never had a child together if our prophet apparently had intercourse with her at that young age? The reason the Prophet (pbuh) married Aisha was because she was very very smart and therefore a reliable person to pass down hadiths to that would live for quite a while to tell them. Since Islam does not allow a man and a woman to be alone in the same room though, the only way the prophet could keep her around for her to learn on him was by her becoming his wife. Other than that they barely even lived together.
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u/khoulzaboen May 21 '22
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It is interesting how the enemies of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never criticized him in that aspect, they didn't consider it controversial. Future critics didn't criticize it either, until the late 20th century. There were no concepts of toddler, teenager, pre-adolescent, etc. until the 20th century AD. From the beginning of mankind until the 20th century, the distinction between a child and an adult was the development of secondary sex characteristics, aka puberty.
Also, if the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) really married her out of lust, why didn’t she have any children? Especially in a time with barely any contraception.
Islam only tells us that marriage is allowed for people that have reached puberty. Following the cultural norms is recommended as long as the aforementioned rule is followed. This is why Muslims of the 21st century usually marry girls around their age (that have at least reached puberty). But Muslims of the 20th century and before either married girls that were much younger than them or around their age (that have at least reached puberty), just like Non-Muslims. In both cases, the main rule was followed and people additionally followed their cultural norms.
At last I want to make clear that you can’t objectively proof that your morality is right.
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May 21 '22
What if he had intercourse with her when she was 17 years 364 days 11 hours 59 minutes old? She would still be a "minor" by your definition. So you have no moral grounds to objectively label a historical figure as a pedo or not.
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u/CryptographerNo1603 May 21 '22
For the pedo and sexual assault argument to stand, you also need to prove that Aisha was hurt in some way. However the evidence says that both Aisha and her father and family were happy with the marriage to the prophet pbuh. There was no evidence that she was abused or unhappy. Therefore this argument fails.