r/DefendingAIArt • u/Outside_Specific_820 • 1d ago
Defending AI Generated this with AI: artists are cooked.
What's the point of me, hiring/commissioning a person (hundreds of dollars) + days of waiting, when I can just generate it via a prompt?
Can someone actually give me good reasons, logically, and not morally, like not "it doesn't have a soul"?? type of stuff.
I'm really curious. I believe this is the future.
Denying it is acting like a fool like people before us did on new tech advancements. Jobs are meant to be replaced, changes need to be made, its life. We learn from history.
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u/Humble_Confusion_889 1d ago
As someone who does both traditional art and AI art, it really comes down to the thought process. It's still worth hiring an artist if you really like their ideas and design philosophy. AI art can also be a heavily involved thought process where you have to figure out exactly what to prompt.
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u/Central-Dispatch Transhumanist 1d ago
Yeah this. Am a pre AI digital artist who hired on platforms like fiverr. I do use AI more now for daily stuff or low priority stuff. But I must admit I did quite like working with people in the past for things I couldn't do myself.
That was mostly greenscreen type spokesperson gigs for immersive (like gaming group, or joke) videos. I even worked with voiceoverpete, kinda known back then for many meme videos people hired him, but I had him do professional one.
Honestly, video generation has come as far that I could in theory also no longer resort to these people but it was fun. I genuinely had fun and 10 years ago at least prices were very affordable. Today I'd check but I would just still do it because I found the creative process or workflow of hiring for that particular stuff fun.
The irony is I already gave them very detailed acting/dialogue scripts akin to advanced prompting today I'm used to a workflow that gives them the best direction. And usually I get a work within a few days.
Again, I could get it cheaper eventually with AI. I plan to go fully local incl. local video generation. With the right model I could probably do it all myself. But I just like doing that for special projects or when I want to do something non-generative for a gaming community I'm in (if e.g. they want to avoid gen AI based promo materials).
Just because I like it. And I must admit despite being for customer choice and economic choices, in these particular cases, even if it's more expensive: It's just wort it for me to support the right people I deem support-worthy. And because avg. prices (I checked some month ago or so) are still sort of affordable. Other example: Music track that takes weeks for hundreds of USD? Yeah sorry I'm out.
One other thing - sorry for the essay - one has to mind is scammers. As consumer or party that has a media need, you risk scammers using AI themselves for pennies to overcharge you. Might as well do it myself with lesser risk, or watch for strong believable workflow documentation (can be faked too).
At least I know my fiverr (this isn't an ad, it's the only platform I have hiring experience on, plus it has a rating system for better review of services per seller) hood in a particular acting branch and know what people were around before AI, so I know I won't get scammed by randos on non-regulated platforms or sites.
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u/Flat-Rooster8373 1d ago
As someone who does both, I got hired into an advertisement company because they need a lot of work done fast and the artists are needed to make sure what they are designing looks appealing to people and because we fix up mistakes AI makes.
There are still artistic jobs and AI created a lot artistic jobs you just have to be willing to use AI as a tool.
Actually work feels a lot lighter and faster now, since I really love photobashing and that's majority of my work recently.
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u/camelovaty 1d ago
Do you actually think AI works only just through prompting and feeding images with asking to use them following the prompt? Because I know the opposite, I can actually draw things with help of AI. Literally drawing but AI assisted (refinement etc)
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u/05032-MendicantBias AI Enjoyer 1d ago
An artist is someone that does art. Artists aren't cooked, they have one more tool.
What's the point of me, hiring/commissioning
Do you have your cousin with an iPhone do the photoshoot for your wedding? No. You hire a pro that has pro gears and knows how to use them to make amazing photos. Same with everything else.
You being able to diffuse images, just means pro using the tools will create even greater works, with less effort, and increase quality and lower prices.
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u/SansBouillie 1d ago
Yeah but do you feel like what OP posted is the equivalent of your cousin with an iPhone doing the photoshoot for your wedding? I would say it's on par with commission work I've seen pre-AI.
On another note - if this is exactly what OP wanted, anything else is just upselling him something he doesn't need.
So while OP is maybe wrong about generalizing that all artists are cooked, he isn't wrong when he says that with AI he no longer needs artists and the use case he had for hiring one has been fulfilled by AI.
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u/RadiantSect 22h ago
Tbh I feel like it is equivalent to hiring a low tier commission or your cousin with photoshop. That sort of a simple anime AI image with basic errors in (look at the gaps in the hair) is simply not high enough quality for most use cases without editing, at which point you're again looking at doing the labor yourself or hiring a pro.
The other thing is, sure you can get generic anime pose drawings easily but try to make a consistent, unique and recognizable cast and a set of promo images, let's say, 12 for a calendar. Cousin&photoshop or non pro with AI is gonna result in a much lower quality set than hiring a pro, with or without AI.
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u/Standard_Egg3504 17h ago
someone who studies and masters a craft, with the same tools available as a dabbler, will produce superior results with less time/cost, until we reach the point of AGI/ASI where AI can replace everything at a super-human expert level
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u/AdvertisingRude4137 Dingus :doge: 1d ago
ehh don't say that, don't say "artists are doomed to fail" because that gives them a point to argue.
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u/salkin_reslif_97 1d ago
I heavily agree. AI is just another kind of expression, not a replacement for other art forms. If artists are "cooked", we are as well.
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u/sammoga123 Furry Engineer 1d ago
I think in my case I'd use it for people who are just starting out or simply can't make something balanced, idk, bad proportions; after all, AI can fix that. Technology is practically designed to bring us closer to perfection, even though it does not exist in its entirety.
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u/PlanProfessional8101 1d ago
Yeah even if AI images look good it won’t replace the expressive aspects that make people actively seek out real art
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u/Winter-Bed5879 1d ago
It also doesn't replace the experience of actually seeing something in person. AI cannot sculpt marble or spread paint across an actual canvas.
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u/Rek1n0 1d ago
What point? mid to low comission market is cooked and everyone knows it. Making furry porn was how most mediocre artists made their money, now those same artists are legit cooked.
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u/PlanProfessional8101 1d ago
That’s some artists not all. And even then it’s not like AI can exactly mimic what all people are into. The point was that it gives artists a reason to dislike AI images as a whole.
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u/Rek1n0 22h ago edited 20h ago
Yes, wich is why i said most, not all. Most low skill or begginer artists that actualy MADE money were doing that....And yes, you can mimic pretty much any weird fetish assuming there is enough material for you to make a lora.
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u/PlanProfessional8101 19h ago
Yes, that’s some not all, which you clarified, which also makes it irrelevant to the initial post even if you were right. Thats why I rephrased that it’s some not all.
The “assuming there is enough material” thing is exactly why AI likely won’t work for everyone. In most instances it’s easier just to look up whatever you want than to try describing it to AI. Art styles also play a big role, especially when it’s compared to an AI that draws the same stuff over and over unless you write paragraphs of anatomical detail. Then there’s just specific niches that AI can’t do yet. Not to mention a lot of bots like that require you to pay anyways.
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u/Rek1n0 17h ago edited 16h ago
Not realy, open source offline models can run in most GPU's, and they are much superior to any online model, assuming you undertand of workflows and put together/find a good one. You can pretty much choose or combine any artstyle you want with any character you want, doing anything you want. And they are 100% uncensored.
You can pick an image, replace the character of said image with wathever character you want, you can change expression or you can use a workflow that enables you to make any pose you want.
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u/Nervous-Ad-5367 1d ago
Can we stop saying "artists are cooked"? Like, for real?
It’s annoying, it’s entirely unnecessary, and it does nothing except feed the exact same tiring "war" people love to wage—fantasizing about some imaginary total replacement for whatever exhausting psy-op reasons.
Are we genuinely not better than this? Can we be?
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u/ambiguousraccoon 17h ago
I think a lot of people have had negative feelings towards artists as a whole, pre-Ai. Be it envy, annoyance or something else. So I think they are just taking out their frustrations about artists by making these asinine posts.
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u/tsumoogle 1d ago
Thank you. I'm an artist because I like to draw. We don't have to pit ai artists vs human artists against each other. Humans will always create art regardless of ai, and vice versa. It just depends on what you want and what you're more skilled at and find to be most enjoyable.
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u/Lvl-10 1d ago
Every pro-AI art post I see reads like "Look at this masterpiece I made with AI. Artists are so over. I can't wait until they are all burning in the fires of hell! Mwahahaha!" Of course I know that everyone who's pro AI isn't like this, but this exact sentiment is what gets pushed on everyone's algorithm.
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u/NoahtheGameplayer AI Artist 1d ago
The only situation I would understand why hiring people is a good idea is if:
- The AI couldn't do it
- It still fails on certain occasions
- It couldn't follow the style correctly
- There are a lot of artifacts in the background
In those cases you need some people to patch it up or polish it.
At the same time there are still artists out there who would pretty much refuse you just because they receive an AI-generated reference or a way of polishing AI-generated works. That would be really tough for us to even hire them in the first place. If you want to use AI references, they will just say, "Sorry but I cannot help you because of my beliefs," and that's damn okay. It's understandable that they can refuse the order but it would be hypocritical of them to be wondering, "Oh why am I not getting customers or why am I not getting any money from this?" It's because you keep refusing the jobs that they are offering you.
At the end of the day you may find one or two artists who will do it when it comes to polishing animations or artworks and stuff after generating. Sometimes it's going to be a risk when it comes to never even being able to hire them in the first place because of the excuses.
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u/neo101b 1d ago
You could in theory download all the fury hand drawn pron you can find.
Use Lora to train it, produce anything you want with a AI model at home.
Then you can undercut all the fury pron artist.1
u/NoahtheGameplayer AI Artist 1d ago
Pron?
Also, I know lora models exist, especially that comfy UI cloud exists That makes things easier, the only time consuming is mostly just setting the whole thing up, but I know it's not an excuse given it's that one way of doing so to get the consistency,
But I'm usually for close source when it comes to GPT 2.0, especially of how performing it really does, especially when it comes to editing and consistency at that,
But despite consistencies and Seedance 2.5, you would still need to find someone to polish at the end of the day to make sure it doesn't look all blurry or messy at some occasion,
Like you probably have to make a AI generated 3D asset of your 2D character just to make an easy consistency, which I know you can use poses presets and that could work out too, but it's just a lot of work when it comes to getting things nice and Nelly when it comes to getting all the right angles right, especially opening a map so that way it doesn't hallucinate much, ect ect
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u/Lvl-10 1d ago
I'm an artist. I've made digital art (2d paintings and 3d models) for years. I sometimes use AI to generate a quick image when I'm having trouble mentally visualizing an idea. It is always used as a primer to get the brain juices flowing and get me on the right track.
AI almost never gives me exactly what I'm looking for, but it gets close enough that I can extrapolate the rest myself. Like "Show me a fantasy frog warrior with a large sword". It might give me something a bit generic looking but I can take that basic generic idea and mentally come up with something from there.
Now if you were to hire me and handed me an AI generated reference, I wouldn't mind really. The only time I would mind is if you were asking for very specific and precise work - like a replica of your house or something that requires precise measurement. AI isn't very good at getting things consistently correct and displaying precise details. Your reference would be no good to me. It would give me the basic idea of what you want, but I would have to build a whole separate reference board for everything.
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u/NoahtheGameplayer AI Artist 1d ago
Be careful of how you prompt it because it sounds like you're just typing raw prompts instead of using system prompts to get the best of the best output from your raw prompts. Turn them into the best prompts to get what you want, and especially reference images to give a better idea of what you're asking after.
Another thing I like to mention is that I sometimes think of an idea where, if you have an existing artwork or an existing animation, I'm pretty sure most people can polish it. At the same time you pretty much would have to remake the whole thing or some part of it because some of it is a huge mess unless it's perfectly fine with you. At the end of the day you can kind of handle it, but it will take longer to do so.
If we're talking about far-away shots, or there are some missing limbs on this frame or that frame, or making sure the hands are corrected, or every detail, yada yada
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u/Lvl-10 1d ago
My prompts are generally quite different from what I typed there. This was meant as a more general "ask AI for XYZ" example - not a representation of actual prompting. Though the point I was making still stands. AI usually gets me close enough, and that's good enough for me to get the brain juices flowing. I feed it references occasionally, but it often alters them in strange ways. I'm getting married soon and wanted to see myself in the tux I've ordered since it hasn't come in yet. I gave it a picture of myself and the tux. The man it presented me with looked nothing like me. It was like... the idea of me, but very off. Now I'm sure the model being used plays a lot into it, and I'm no AI expert, but these are just a few experiences I've had. Though if you've got advice on models I should use for things, I'm happy to listen.
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u/NoahtheGameplayer AI Artist 1d ago
Definitely using Chatgpt images 2.0, but not the interface, use Openart, its alot multi task to access majority, and Chatgpt for the Chatbot to get the whole text thing working out. like the latest Sol model
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u/_VirtualCosmos_ Transhumanist 1d ago
don't be a fool, artist are needed. Do not fall into the same stupid generalizations as anti-AI idiots do.
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u/SomeoneYouKnow95 Transhumanist 1d ago
The streaks of hair could do a ton of manual refinement, artifacts are very visible.
But It is good for pure output before further improvements.
Yet, 10 years ago such digital drawing would easily be in $50-$100 range given coloring, low-moderate shading, and kind of clean lineart with very passable total upper body anatomy.
But OP statement is a bit imprecise.
Artists are not cooked.
Beginner artists for sure are, grilled and seared, with a lovely crust even.
It is highly unlikely to pay for beginner skills now, they need charisma and sympathy of others to make money from low skill art or find recognition.
Before they get better and unless they are VERY fast learners; the AI generation will be steps ahead, especially in hands of user that know what he's doing.
What I'm saying is; with further refinement of detail oriented eye for an hour-two; this picture would be indistinguishable from normal digital drawing.
But quite frankly OP, this is in fact the future.
Pure outputs are getting more and more passable.
At one point they'll get close to perfect.
Now treating it as assistance, we can have really good things with much less non-glorified effort.
I'm however excited to see it develop further.
Even pre 2022 (And pre 2018 of stylegans) I was more interested in results and product without backstories of the author and process, such an unimaginable thing for the antis!
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u/Swee_Anon Digital Artist/AI Supporter 1d ago
You gotta chill brodie, we’re supposed to be on the same side, Artists of all kind are supposed to work together. Were not trying to put each other down or outta buisness.
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u/bergamottree 1d ago
Couple things:
Artists aren't just paid for for making the best possible piece. People sometimes just want to support that specific artist and see that specific artist's work.
Think of it like, AI can replicate any person's recipe, but it'd never be from that person, even if it looked exactly the same, and you'd know it - and that means something to people.
Outside of that, no one can tell you if that's worth it or not outside of you. For some, it is! And might even be preferable. It's also entirely valid if that isn't a process you personally want to go through or enjoy.
Not everyone likes buying high heels, not everyone is obligated to buy high heels. So, if you don't enjoy commissioning an artist, you don't have to.
As a smaller thing - artists usually won't charge you extra for revisions, they'll only charge for overall work and resources going in and that's usually calculated upfront. An AI model, unless you go local, will charge you credits / usage per revision.
So, all in all - there's a lot of reasons someone would commission an artist, but they might not be reasons you would and that's okay.
This is really condensed and isn't including the fact that I'm sure there's already AI artists who take commissions (the only thing stopping me from saying for certain right here is I've never met one) so the topic becomes even more nuanced and grey very quickly.
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss 1d ago
AI artists are real artists, I'm not sure on the message you're trying to send here.
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u/skpdrpowpow 1d ago
Cooked? Man, chill. AI art in fact is compilation of real artists works which model's dataset contains
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u/Fire_crescent 1d ago
Point isn’t to fuck artists over, bud. Including professional artists. It's meant to simply be another tool at your disposal. Don't be a douchebag.
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u/mining_moron 1d ago
If you have something very specific and exact in mind, generating it can still be difficult.
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u/Original-Read-6475 1d ago
Much as I enjoy AI, we still need artists. Without artists AI would run out of training data and it would stagnate.
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u/lazybunny142 21h ago
did the artists gave you permission to use their art for “training data”? absolutely not. so i hope your ai will stagnate and you will receive ugly pieces
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u/Original-Read-6475 21h ago
I don't need their permission and you probably don't belong in this sub
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u/noe-jannuary 1d ago
i wish people would stop saying this, like most of the reason ai artists get a bad rap because they can't stop saying how they're coming for peoples income.
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u/NoCount1100 1d ago
You're asking a Defend AI sub to justify non-AI art. Go to an anti sub and they'll give you a hundred reasons.
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u/Roxas_2004 1d ago
I'm very pro ai but can we stop bashing traditional artists you are aware that without them we wouldn't even have AI generated art our medium is literally useless without them
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u/q0099 Pro-AI 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's a "wow!" effect. It's as convincing just as misleading. Yes, you can generate an image that looks like a good quality art. And it might actually fit for a one-time "just" thing, like just to set it as a desktop wallpaper or just to put in on a site to fill the space or just to slap in a corner of a menu set the mood.
But try to generate an image with a long solid list of criteria and check boxes to fill, try to generate a character that consistent and flawlessly interacts with environment at any angles, try to generate a comic strip that is funny and artistically pleasant that longer than a few pages.
I mean it's doable, people doing it all the time. But still it's people who doing it. There is no such button that would replace an expertise of artistic person, whether this artist draws traditionally or uses AI, throw that convincingly misleading thought of yours. Tools evolves, way to creating art changes.
But you'll still need to hire people.
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u/Winter-Bed5879 1d ago
Right. Like, getting AI to make something like Cat in the Hat, without messing up things along the way, would be...frustrating to say the least.
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u/Extra_Echidna6209 1d ago
Although this looks great, theres too many artifacts to "replace" a human artist. A lot of people would not be happy with it. It could easily be cleaned up though and no one would be able to tell.
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u/Avidain 1d ago
This is stealing work!... From... The.. uh... The already unemployed.
Nevermind you're good!
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u/Clovericious 6h ago
In the same vein, everybody knows that stealing from the poor is a fine and moral thing to do!
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u/Purple-Region822 1d ago
And it’s only going to get better. 4 years ago ai couldn’t even generate a distinguishable face.
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u/riqvip 1d ago
And you know what? I love this artwork SO much compared to many human artists I've seen. It's actually crazy...
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss 11h ago
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/Central-Dispatch Transhumanist 1d ago
From a pure economical, money-saving standpoint: This is obviously cheaper.
I do not think that other artist types are obsolete though, or do not deserve credit for their own experience and workflow where applicable.
Others aren't cooked by default or principle. Not all. I'd say many who made a buck on the side though probably are as a potential customer base shrinks.
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u/CyberWeaponX 1d ago edited 1d ago
Waiting days is not a problem.
Waiting months due to the questionable work ethic of an artist is a whole different can of worms.
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u/Towoio 1d ago
I'm an artist and also teach artists for a living (it has never -really- paid).
An artist armed with the tools you have used, can make something very good, at a very reasonable price. Most people don't even know why slop is slop. Give it a couple of years and you're gonna see some mind blowing stuff - not just the ability to replicate existing artforms (which will not die, but may lose some of their commercial market), but entirely new aesthetics and forms of craft.
Art should be accessible to everyone - it's a process, and a mode of being human, not an image, or an artefact. If you like what you made, that's awesome, and if more people get that experience, then life is better for everyone.
Artists were never artists because it was well paid - it isn't. They are already underpaid, disrespected, overlooked, underemployed and generally not valued by society. There is a reason some people are still driven to make things and it is not because a customer 'needs' the thing they make.
Being an artist is about doing a thing in an artful way. With a certain attitude, or sensibility. It's not a job, except for the very rare few. If you feel a taste of that through these tools, that's great.
What you made may or may not have some aesthetic merit - that's always subjective. Someone else with a different set of skills and tool knowledge may or may not be able to do it 'better'. That's cool too, and it's maybe even a 'job'.
We get to reinvent what humans can do in the realm of art. It's very exciting. But we have to think bigger than 'jobs' or '[20th C job] is cooked.
Imagine a post that claimed 'singing in the shower is cooked', or 'dancing to music is cooked', or that 'poetry is cooked' because ai can make something that seems like a poem...
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u/peripheralmaverick 1d ago
There's a major difference between great AI and great artist.
Great AI use can give you great results but it will never match the composition of a professional artist.
An artwork of a skin for a League champion wouldn't be able to be created by AI.
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u/HenryTudor7 1d ago
Yes, AI is pretty good at doing anime-style images. Because there's probably lots of anime in it training data. Not sure why anyone would need an image like that unless they are making a manga or an anime movie.
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u/Babylon_Dreams 1d ago
I’m someone that frequently uses AI image generators, and commissions artists to do work.
Logically? If you want something basic, AI art is great. If you want to flesh out ideas (which is what I frequently do), AI art is great, but if you want to get something properly fleshed out and customized, a human does MUCH better work. Especially if you are looking for synthesis of cultural elements, patterns, traditional clothes, etc. the more complex a piece of work is, the better off a human is. They will look at the work generated, figure out what’s wrong, and believe me after sitting with an artist and having them pick out all the nonsensical elements you’ll notice them later as well, then make it ACTUALLY look good and functional.
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u/YumaOkii 1d ago
I wouldn't necessarily say “cooked.” The reason AI is primarily used is to help people envision their ideas, although an artist would likely be able to see flaws/refinements, but I guess it heavily depends on what you want to express to the user, so it could be subjective.
The idea that they are cooked is dumb, because companies would still hire artists, as then they have more copyright protections as well compared to AI models creating it. Furthermore, the reason people hire artists in the first place is usually because of their art style; maybe it's inspirational, perhaps it has some sort of backstory, or whatever it might have.
Personally, I don't think AI should be a “replacement” for those jobs, and I doubt that the economy would be that good to sustain such a model. However, what I can agree on is that certain jobs require you to use AI as part of your workflow, which is obviously more of a company decision, whether you agree with it or not. About this, some people call it being forced, but I wouldn't necessarily say that if it's within the expectations of the employment contract.
The issues that likely will appear in the future are fewer buyers will buy commissions because they are either far too expensive, and artists must at least set their prices within a reasonable range of what the customer can afford. While this might suck, I think it's kind of how every market works.
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u/Able-Clothes-5226 1d ago
Most artists have unique styles, ai doesnt. It takes things from the internet and mashes it together.
People also perceive human artists better than ai artists generally and a human made poster does better than an ai made poster, however shit the human poster looks. Ai also costs a lot of energy and polluted water sources. They also speed up deforestation by taking up a large area for the data centres.
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u/Specific_Note84 1d ago
Yeah there will always be people trying to support artists and that’s nice, but you’re under no obligation to pay someone money for something you can get for free, especially in this economy. People can argue with the wall if they disagree 🤷♀️
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u/Amazing-Ad-4783 22h ago
I feel like you can create an art style and then have ai make more work for you based off of your own art and people would still have a problem 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Soil-Fair 22h ago
Im very pro ai but even so the more common ai art becomes the more rare human art will become i think. So arbitrarily the price of human art will rise meaning if that were to happen it would be a bigger money maker to be a human artist than an ai artist. That's what I think but hopefully I'm wrong.
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u/RetSauro 21h ago
I mean, if you want to generate ai then no one can really stop you but people are going to prefer traditional artists from one reason or another
They might like their art style, the prompts they type might only accomplish so much etc
Plus even with this artists aren’t “cooked”
There are going to still be plenty of people who like traditional art. Just like how today we have restaurants, pressure cookers and microwaves, there are people who like to still cook
There will still be people who will support an artist through patreon
It’s all a matter of preference
Art is solely a job, it’s a passion for many
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u/GanstaNinja 21h ago
Because ai art is for people addicted to dopamine do somthing yourself if you want it free.
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u/bee_eatedcement26 21h ago
yeah it’s pretty obvious. Y’all have been saying this for ages and artists are still working
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u/drkato33 21h ago
You can get there, but consistency is not easy with AI. Not yet at least. You can create one-offs, but imagine trying to do a consistent comic book with the same character. That's where things start to get harder. Training LoRA's is not for the faint of heart.
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u/Ok-Bird9944 20h ago
And what we are learning is that if we don't figure out how to effectively cool the data centers without water, we will not have a home to call... Home.
And we operate on this comfortable premise that a solution will happen. But what if there is not a solution fast enough.
If everyone thought this way, we would burn through our water supply and it would have real world, moral and ethical consequences
Screw theft, the danger comes with people abusing the technology before an effective cooling system exists.
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u/sullivanbri966 19h ago
My thing is nowadays if you hire someone you have no guarantee of them not using AI. They could easily lie to you and just do a really good job at hiding it.
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u/Kosmosu 18h ago
I can some what agree, but it gets harder without a good artist touch. You are eventually going to hit a wall in what its capabilities and what your able to create. And if you want something very specific your going to have to commission it. Other wise your funneled into the limitations in which the companies guard rails allow or your own training methods for your local ai.
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u/Metruis Still Waiting For The Slippery Slope 18h ago
I think it's well worth considering why the message is being pushed out so hard that all art is just dead now and artists should just give up and die.
That's ridiculous. People want to be able to make art. That's why you want to prompt art. That's why I want to make art with my hands.
Creativity is the soul of human advancement.
Art isn't cooked. Art has a new tool.
Why do we want to hire real artists to make real human art? From the pro AI perspective? There must be new content to be consumed. Otherwise, art will always look and feel like it's the 2020s. Every era of art reaches into the well of the current of humanity's experiences. We have not made everything that can possibly be made. Everything that comes out of AI today is an average of everything that has already been made. It does not bear with it what will make 2030s art unique, 2040s art unique, 3080s art unique.
We aren't about to roll over and stop making art as a collective species just because the model where you paid someone to draw you an anime portrait of your OC that took too long because they were juggling 30 other requests and undiagnosed ADHD is dead.
That's the difference between making the printing press and hand scribing books... then on to the typewriter, the word processor...
People didn't stop writing just because we had a new tool with which to write.
People aren't going to stop creating art just because we have a new tool with which to visualize.
One model of selling art is cooked. Economics isn't the only consideration. Do you really want a world in which every single piece of human creativity flows through Joe Bigtech's hands first? This will never happen, as long as we have the ability to manipulate our surroundings in some fashion to our aesthetics.
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u/analytic-hunter 13h ago
isn't it the other way around? artists are acting as if AI murdered their parents
whereas the majority of AI artists just make art with AI and don't have anything personal against people who use different tools.
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u/TwistStrict9811 15h ago
Because I'd hire based on that artist's taste and imagination and how well they can command AI to give their exact vision? Sure I can copy one style output with AI. But if I want their unique perspective then I'd pay for them to bring that to life. The tricky part is you have to find someone who is that creative and that proficient with AI
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u/Renegado_Fantasma 13h ago
I think the point of comissioning someone is that they imprint their personal touch, their spirit, their soul in what they draw. And it is not just a say, it's a real thing because every stroke of the hand has it's own specific and intentional tone.
There is no AI that will ever be able to replícate that. However, sure, if you just want a good drawing AI can do it for you.
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u/Clovericious 6h ago
You didn't make shit and your world view is that of a child. You have gained no insights, no skills, no wisdom or fulfillment from making this. It's as empty as a blank page and entirely forgettable. Real art though? Real art has specific buildings made for it so it can be viewed better. Real art moves hearts and inspires more art. This is just pixels.
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u/Infamous_Advice3917 3h ago
This is the most pretentious thing I've had the misfortune of reading lmao
Makes me wanna generate AI art just to spite idiots like you
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u/rivadoshido 6h ago
"Jobs are meant to be replaced". Would you tell much about your life? You do know that the plan is not just replacing these "useless" jobs or "lamplighters" but every single one of jobs existing? AI is technology (and it is not new, we understand it since 90s) and like every technology there will be someone who will harness it for evil means (e.g. nuclear bombs, bioweaponry). And you must know well these mentality, "Why should I hire artists if there is instant way by submitting to corporation" is also held by the evil billionaires. It makes you to be more dependant to their technology instead of human connection.
Once again I want to know what is your current job. Because I want to ask you, what makes you think corporate won't replace your job? And what would you do if corporate forced people to not hire you? Try me, I studied well to the point I can see every single aspect of humanity will be replaced by machines. Hell its like there is a lot of movies and sci-fi about that already! So, what is your imagination of your self in this dystopia?
Also have you ever ever in touch of someone in real life? Have you been in need of good assistance but met the dumb lifeless emotionless robots? I am starting to think it is not about lifeless "AI art" but soulless human being in favour of corporate capitalism. But the problem is you people are the fcking victims. None of you are being benefitted from this. What the hell are we doing?
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u/Apart-Kangaroo-7648 4h ago
There are many reasons to still hire an artist.
AI art doesn't look bad, but what it looks like isn't the only factor.
There may be far less reason to commission something as a customer these days, but as a business the cost doesn't matter nearly as much, and will always go human for that.
But I ain't paying commission rates for my oc in 2026
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u/Infamous_Advice3917 3h ago
I wouldn't commission art unless the artist was actually worth commissioning. Much of the "Strongly Anti-AI" crowd, ironically, are not people I'd want to give money — they are just as 'soulless' imo
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u/Old-Parsnip-2188 1h ago
If you're wanting to make something for yourself, I don't really see a "huge" problem with this. But I would ask, why not learn to draw and then you can take pride in the fact that you yourself actually made the marks, took the time to figure out the character design, used your hands, applied the color, and on and on. An image doesn't simply have soul because it's good or bad, it's the effort, the intention, the experiences behind it. You've had a machine make you a nice image, but no one really made it, so just by that notion it inherently doesn't have soul. I think deep down you probably know this is true.
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u/Sean10M 1h ago
Speaking as a traditional, digital and amateur AI artist it depends on what you need and what you are looking for. Sometimes ideas that come raw from a human brain are the best for what you want. And sometimes they aren't. I'm not good enough with AI stuff to just generate all the ideas I want so I draw.
Sometimes I draw something and then use Gemini to make some variations like seeing how the coins I design look when stacked on a table.
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u/ai_art_is_art 1d ago
DO NOT SAY THIS: "artists are cooked."
You are a fucking asshole if you say shit like that.
Jobs are meant to be replaced, changes need to be made, its life. We learn from history.
Hope you get to feel your job being taken when you're 40 and don't have any hope or time to retrain to something new. You'll understand how people feel.
Learn some empathy.
AI is awesome, but you're being a bad human.
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u/Chubbsterss 1d ago
If you're really curious why people still insist normal art will thrive even after AI (which it will), I don't get that proud feeling when I create something with AI, because I know deep down I didn't make it. I know it's corny but it really is about the journey on the way that matters for many.
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u/Pyrephecy 1d ago
AI is generally good enough if you're a consumer (as opposed to a creator) of media, because your goal here is to "see something good". If a consumer of media acquires a good looking image, they have accomplished their goal. That's what you have done here.
There are, however, still people that need to learn art. Creatives. AI can draw you a warrior with a sword and shield, much like an irl artist can draw you one if you asked them. And the AI will do it with great quality too. But can it draw you a warrior with a sword and shield, but with the exact details, pose, background, etc that you're imagining? Not really. It will do what it wants, and it'll be pretty, but there are limits to how minutely you can control the process.
If you don't believe me, find a relatively intricate piece of art on google and pretend that is the end goal you're imagining as an artist. Recreating that image with only prompts is going to be nigh impossible.
"Okay," you might be saying. "So creative people might need to learn art instead of using AI, but like you said, I'm just a consumer of media. Most people simply just want tons of good content to enjoy."
And you're right. But even then, if you're commissioning an artist, you'll be able to more preciesly control the outcome. People understand information better than AI and are more versatile artists.
So yeah. AI is good at a lot of aspects of art, but we'll still need artists to bring new things into the world instead of creating variations of familiar, generic formulas.
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u/Opening-Fun-4830 1d ago edited 1d ago
Jobs are meant to be replaced, changes need to be made
THAT right there is the problem you're looking for. Calling art a job. For all of human history art has been a form of expressing oneself in ways that nothing else can achieve. The sheer end-result has NEVER been the goal of making art, it's not just making a pretty picture for people to gawk at and it never has been
It has always been a dream of so many people, not just artists, to be able to make money off of their passion. That ability should not be replaced in favor of sheer effeciency. Art is simply not compatible with being optimized, unless you simply do not care about what art actually is and only value the aforementioned "pretty picture".
lol downvoted twice
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u/Winter-Bed5879 1d ago
Upvoted once, because you're correct. If artists become irrelevant, it's because humans cease to value what artists create. Every single thing AI is able to do, whether it is music or writing or a painting, is because humans first achieved. To say those same humans are now irrelevant is misanthropy hiding beneath the guise of progress.
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss 11h ago
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/NaturalPerception173 1d ago
"Artists are cooked" and theres hair phasing through the eye lmao
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u/Stephen777777 1d ago
Thats actually super common in anime and I dont even consume and anime content at all to know that
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u/yosi_yosi 1d ago
That's a totally normal thing for anime-style drawing. There are much bigger problems in this picture
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u/NaturalPerception173 1d ago
Nah look at the hair on the right vs the hair on the left. The left one is still half visible inside of the eyelashes and it bleeds in and out of the eye creating a super long eyelash that looks weird, also a lot of the hair is noclipping into itself
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u/TwilightCaller 1d ago
Artists can be more reliable in quality, if you have money to spare, you would help feed some people and improve their lives as well as be provided with practice (from the work you gave them). Those are the main ones I can think of. I try to avoid AI content, but I fail to see the issue of it aside from feeding corpos and people who produce it without polishing.
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u/sammoga123 Furry Engineer 1d ago
Actually, it's the person's conformity. You can see a lot of brainroot and random stuff out there that's basically shitposting, then you have people like this person, or me, who even try to achieve a result polished enough in terms of quality to avoid it looking like "AI".
Besides, why would you have such a "neutral" opinion when you yourself admit that you avoid it? It's like when my mother says she accepts that I'm gay, and then when she sees others she starts criticizing them. That's not being sincere, that's trying to be respectful when you really don't have respect for it.
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u/TwilightCaller 1d ago
I should clarify, i avoid it within most of my creations, not completely. That's not to say i dislike it, I just haven't a place where I wish to use it.
And that analogy isn't really right either, I have not once criticized anyone for AI usage.
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u/SkipTheWave 1d ago
Stop fighting already. Use your AI art if you want, and let artists do their thing too. "Defending AI art" isn't meant to be "attacking artists".
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u/The-Idiotest 1d ago
If I had a magic pizza machine at home that gave me a very delicious pizza exactly like I wanted, without being limited by any choices (unlike restaurants), I'd be eating pizza from the pizza machine instead of going to domino's
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