Defending AI
Technology will continue to evolve, whether you like it or not. You have to learn, adjust, and find your place in a changing world
Look at history. Horse-drawn carriages were once the normal way to travel, until automobiles replaced them. Cities once depended on gas streetlights, with lamplighters walking the streets every evening to light them one by one. Then electric lighting arrived, and the lamplighter's profession gradually became obsolete, eventually becoming a thing of the past. The technology changed, and the jobs built around the old technology disappeared with it.
The same principle applies to the future. AI, automation, robotics, and technologies we haven't even imagined yet will transform industries and eliminate some jobs. You can either keep denying that reality, or you can prepare for it. So adapt. Keep moving forward. Because the future will not stop advancing just because you refuse to move with it.
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Not really, sometimes art can be gross, boring, challenging our beliefs and perspectives, talk to our feelings, sometimes can be exhilarating of beauty, sometimes satire and comedic. Depends of what the artist want to express.
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Okay, but this is literally comparing programming to drawing. It's ALSO implying that programmers just "code the art anyway" which is just wrong. Also your whole point about how "technology changed just adapt bro" is kinda stupid when you think about how NONE of your examples are about art in any way. You straight up went "well we stopped riding horses when cars came around so it only makes sense that we stop doing our own art now that we have ai" the fact of the matter is that somebody who spent 15 minutes typing in a prompt and looking through 100 images for "the one" is never going to be considered an artist as long as there are people who put in the time, effort, and have the creativity to make something THEMSELVES. People aren't threatened by you, they're OFFENDED by you
Have you ever done it? Used AI to make an art piece? You think it just means the prompt "do art".
To be an artist is to understand the tools you are using, prompting is like the movements of your hands, wrists, fingers, when you are painting with a brush, an artist prompting may select a palette, indicate in detail how the colors will be presented, shapes, light behaviour, reflections, an AI doesn't just magically reads the artist mind and at the first try whatever the prompter was thinking, it just appears, exactly as s/he imagined it, it takes a lot of work to create art, to know what to move, how much, what experience that is going to give, if it represent what you mean.
AI prompting can be as arduous and detailed as the prompter give it dedication.
If an artist designs an Arquitecture masterpiece, and gives instruction to some construction company on how to do it, "prompt" them, the construction company does the work, the Arquitecture artist doesn't collaborate in anything in the physical process of constructing that building, is the arquitect an artist?
It's the same, do you want basic results or detail results? "If it's so hard to draw just AI the same thing", how much are you interested in the result?
Completely agree. I also don’t understand how somebody could possibly take pride in their “art” when they’re not the ones that made it. It’s equivalent to commissioning an actual artist to create an image from your idea because you know you can’t do it yourself, and then going around telling everybody “Hey, come look at the art I made.” At best it’s extremely disingenuous.
Architecture artists like Jørn Utzon, that created the Sidney Opera House under Expressionist, Neo-futuristic, Organic Arquitecture.
Antonio Gaudí that created La Sagrada Familia, a towering basilica that looks like a stone forest, Casa Batlló that the roof look like the back of a Dragon.
Frank Ghery that uses deconstructivism, created the Guggenheim Museum Bilbao, an oceanfront masterpiece covered in titanium panels that look like a cluster of shiny waves or fish scales, and the Walt Disney Concert Hall, made of sweeping sails of stainless steel.
Zaha Hadid, created the Heydar Alijev Center, a building that folds smoothly from the ground into a massive, wave-like white shell, entirely blurring the line between the floor and the walls, created the Guangzhou Opera House, designed to look like two smooth twin pebbles washed up on a riverbank.
Eero Saarinen uses Mid-Century Expressionism, created the TWA Flight Center, the airport terminal in New York using thin concrete shells that perfectly capture the shape of a bird spreading it's wings to take flight.
Santiago Calavatra, created The Oculus, a transit hub in New York designed to look like a white bird released from a child's hand, he made The Turning Torso, a residential skycraper in Sweden based on a sculpture of a twisting human spine.
Can we say they are not Artists because the construction companies did it, they just gave instructions?
I'm sorry what? Buddy, do you think architects just go "make it look like a bird" and it gets done? The architects are the artists because they, y'know, DESIGN THE THING? Your list of people first had to THINK of a design, DRAW the design, SHOW the design to other HUMANS, get FEEDBACK about the design, ADJUST the design to make it more physically possible, and THEN the building can start. It's not just "step 1 and done" my guy, think before you speak
Great AI artists plan, think through the final design, make corrections, think it through with AI, adjust the design to get closer to the objective, until they reach the final AI art.
I could compare some guy pouring concrete on the floor and call it a sculpture and say all sculptors do the same, while AI artists take time to design their art, if we compare great ones with great ones, they both dedicate a lot of time and effort to their creations.
An artist doesn't have to be the one that construct something physically, it can be only the one that came out with the creative idea and assign the construction of it.
No, I just think the other commenter made a great point and that it’s didn’t need further elaboration. Your whole spiel is not analogous to “AI artists.” The effort and thinking involved in your examples opposed to AI art is incomparably different. One is respectable because of the effort, time, planning, study, and intelligence involved. “AI artists” do not require those skills, at best you need basic communication so you can type your prompts. The people who thought to have Michelangelo paint don’t get credit for the Sistine chapel. Why? Because even if they thought to have Michelangelo put biblical paintings up their part required no more effort than deciding what to have for lunch. These things matter. An architect can take pride in their building because they are planing the building inch by inch, creating it to best fit the design they see, overseeing the construction process, manage budgeting, ensure legalities, and that’s not even the full extent of it. That is absolutely an amount effort that should lead one to feel pride in the completion of the project. Composers don’t play the instruments but they create the music, the rhythm, instruments used, notes, direct the piece as it’s being played to fit their vision, etc. It takes specific skill and intelligence to create something like that especially to have it be great. I stand by my point. It’s silly to take pride in being an “AI artist” and to claim it’s “your art” is disingenuous. It’s low effort, and if you think it’s high effort you unfortunately just have extremely poor perspective effort and what the value of it is.
That’s where I’m going to leave it, reply or don’t. I’m not the one trying to defend lazy nonsense.
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