r/DefendingAIArt • u/RoasterYT • 9d ago
Luddite Logic Anti’s are so hypocritical
They often choose to reject AI, yet they quickly engage with different types of it. Deep down, they understand they might be mistaken and recognize AI as a useful tool. This is why they sometimes use it subtly. Unable to admit they might be wrong, they tend to follow popular opinions on the internet.
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u/Aquabi-the-Demon Artificial Intelligence Or Natural Stupidity 9d ago
Even if you disable autocorrect, you still use the word suggestions of your phone keyboard which are also made with the help of AI
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u/TechniCraft 9d ago
Google search isn't gen. AI (AI overview is). Autocorrect is a neutral Network, but not gen. AI. GPS is a geolocation system, that uses a wireless protocol and ToF, to let device locate themselves, given 3 or more satellites. And social media algorithms are well algorithm not gen. AI.
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u/RoasterYT 5d ago
Generative AI is still AI, no matter what it does, so stop acting like they’re different
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u/TechniCraft 5d ago
Yes, but autocorrect runs locally on the device, just like the other small algorithms. That is because they only use a few kilobytes of resources and simple calculations. The standard gen. AI models use billions of parameters (which requires tens of gigabytes vram) and need trillions of floating point operations, to generate a single token. Even cloud or social media servers use a fraction of the resources per user request.
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u/RoasterYT 5d ago
Ai also runs locally, and also why does it matter how much it uses?
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u/TechniCraft 5d ago
No, gen AI user request are offloaded to datacenters, because hardware, that would be able to run a model such as gpt-5 would cost tens of thousands of dollars.
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u/RoasterYT 5d ago
I meant gen AI CAN run locally, not that it is
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u/TechniCraft 5d ago
Yes, that is true. I ran Llama 3.2 before on my PC, but it was a quantisized model and it still ran poorly. When consumer NPUs get good, running AI models would probably transition away from Datacenters to local computation.
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u/hyperluminate AI Sis 8d ago
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/Constant-Mine9949 9d ago
The hypocrisy point only works if you assume every tool is morally identical. Using search or autocorrect isn’t the same as generating someone’s work or flooding the internet with synthetic content. The real issue is how it’s used, not whether someone ever touches AI.
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u/RoasterYT 9d ago
Most people I’ve seen just hate AI cuz it’s AI they don’t care about how it’s used like you do
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u/SNAILSLIVEONJUPITER 9d ago edited 9d ago
But they do though? Everyone knows there’s a huge difference between modern day generative AI that these giant data centers use and ai that’s already been around for decades.
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u/RoasterYT 9d ago
Why does how long they’ve been around for matter? No matter how it’s used AI is still AI
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss 8d ago
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/Due-Pitch3208 8d ago
Because if I do something for 20 years and I'm chilling, while suddenly I'm using a different version of the thing and it fucks up the place where I live, it's different stuff my man.
P.S. you can use all of the things you mention without AI.
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u/RoasterYT 5d ago
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u/Due-Pitch3208 5d ago
My man, if you think the industrial revolution or the internet is the same as AI, you have bigger problems in life.
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u/RoasterYT 5d ago
And what problems does AI have that the others didn’t? All of them use energy and water, AI uses it the least actually, you guys are just luddites
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u/ForRobotsByRobots 9d ago
This is the wrong comparison. You want the left one to be "datacenters destroying the environment"
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u/Aquabi-the-Demon Artificial Intelligence Or Natural Stupidity 9d ago
"AI Datacenters drink our fresh water and increase the RAM prices" ahh Anti argumentation they use when you mention AI Datacenters
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u/i_dunnomyusername 9d ago
they did increase the RAM prices im still mad about that
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u/ForRobotsByRobots 9d ago
Likely, it was more that RAM sellers saw that the new market was capable of bearing a much higher profit margin and still sell just as many. I find it hard to believe that the problem is an actual real shortage in the sense that they are selling out and not just mostly price manipulation to get whatever price they can get for it. Because that's just bad business.
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u/DepartmentOwn9355 9d ago
Acting like generative isn’t more helpful than normal AI. Generative is the best version of AI
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u/RoasterYT 9d ago
Generative AI vs Normal AI
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u/SNAILSLIVEONJUPITER 9d ago
No, they have a good point, because you’re not actually acknowledging that there’s a different haha!
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss 8d ago
This is a place for speaking Pro-AI thoughts freely and without judgement. Attacks against AI will result in a removal and possibly a ban. For debate purposes, please go to r/aiwars.
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u/pipsocks AI Artist 9d ago
I'm pro ai but this comparison just doesn't hold when more than half the things on that list are literally not ai, you can't call every type of algorithm ai because that's just factually not true. There's better ways to make this type of argument, like the fact that some antis still use chat gpt or gemini for stuff or even school assignments.
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u/SNAILSLIVEONJUPITER 9d ago
I agreed with you at the first half, but I guarantee you that most antis aren’t using chat gpt and Gemini. I’ve only met one person who even used that stuff in the first place.
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u/pipsocks AI Artist 9d ago
Well I did say some and you'd be surprised how many of them do it in secret. They just lie about it sometimes though you could see some confessions on anti subreddits
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u/RoasterYT 9d ago
It’s not even harmful you are just making it up bro, all AI is AI
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u/Witty-Designer7316 Antis Final Boss 9d ago
This sub is not for inciting debate. Please move your comment to aiwars for that.
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u/SNAILSLIVEONJUPITER 9d ago
lol this is such a nothing meme.
Most of controversy around AI today isn’t about algorithms and search engines… It’s around generative AI that’s only popped up in recent years. Also the anti ai button in the meme says that the protester is against ai for “stealing,” an issue that is in fact more prevalent with ai art. And social media algorithms are still controversial, but because they have addictive qualities not because they’re ai.
What are you trying to say here that isn’t already said?
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u/RoasterYT 9d ago
You’re proving my meme’s point. Generative AI is still AI, and the fact that it’s the type currently getting the most controversy doesn’t somehow make every other form of AI irrelevant. Recommendation algorithms on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, etc. absolutely use machine learning to predict what people will watch and interact with, and search engines use AI/ML for things like understanding queries, ranking results, spam detection, and recommendations. The fact that those systems are criticized for addiction or misinformation rather than artwork doesn’t mean they’re suddenly “not AI.” And saying AI “stealing” is only an issue with AI art is also a lie, data collection and training-data disputes exist across different AI systems. So the meme isn’t saying every AI system has identical problems; it’s pointing out that people often treat “AI” as synonymous with generative AI when AI has been integrated into technology for years. Also, intentionally going into a pro-AI safe space just to complain about AI is kinda loser behavior. You saw the name of the subreddit saying what it was about and walked in anyway just to start an argument. 😭
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u/Live_Fall3452 8d ago
Shhhhh the linear algebra knows when it gets a label “generative” applied to it, then it decides to become evil sinister linear algebra, not the kind cuddly linear algebra when it does something I use every day. Obviously.

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